One Piece: Massive Speed Revision, Part 2: Post Timeskip

[Damage3245]

Since we can finally focus on Speed, i would like to bring again my calc of Post-Timeskip Luffy dodging Pacifista's laser back in the discussion.

@Damage3245 you say that my calc may "suffer from the same issue as one of the earlier calcs", can you explain better what exactly are you referring?

Basically the calc's timeframe is for the moment purely for the time it takes the beam to reach its destination, but it is being applied to a point later than that, after the explosion has formed and Luffy is some distance in the air. It's not accurate to use that timeframe from the laser crossing the distance and apply it to how far Luffy moved in that panel as being something that happened in the same timeframe.

 

[SnookB]

I'm curious- was Franky's V-slash attack ever accepted as light speed? I remember that being discussed. If so, Sasaki has the feat of dodging from a close distance that may add something for the commanders/Tobiroppo.
Unless raid feats are reserved for the post-wano revisions.

 

[KingTempest]

Unless raid feats are reserved for the post-wano revisions.

this

 

[Nierre]

I'll take a look at the sandbox

 

[Nierre]

Why are there gaps? Are they different keys or something?

 

[KingTempest]

Why are there gaps? Are they different keys or something?

Yeah it's used to organize different keys

 

[Nierre]

Okay one question I have is why is Zunesha in this? Why does he scale to A-1?

 

[Damage3245]

I know Luffy can use Python to keep accelerating his attacks while in Snakeman mode, but is it enough for it to be called "far higher"?

 

[KingTempest]

Okay one question I have is why is Zunesha in this? Why does he scale to A-1?

Should've been A-3, and Zunesha is a character (with a profile)

 

[KingTempest]

I know Luffy can use Python to keep accelerating his attacks while in Snakeman mode, but is it enough for it to be called "far higher"?

I guess not, I can remove that

 

[Nierre]

Should've been A-3, and Zunesha is a character (with a profile)

ohhhh i seee...

 

[Damage3245]

I think Zunesha should have "Possibly" in front of its speed rating. Other fodder Beast Pirates members were shown panicking and fleeing as Zunesha was swinging towards them, and Jack likely didn't move because he was actually daunted as what was heading his way rather than it blitzing him.

 

[KingTempest]

I think Zunesha should have "Possibly" in front of its speed rating. Other fodder Beast Pirates members were shown panicking and fleeing as Zunesha was swinging towards them, and Jack likely didn't move because he was actually daunted as what was heading his way rather than it blitzing him.

alright

 

[Eminiteable]

I know Luffy can use Python to keep accelerating his attacks while in Snakeman mode, but is it enough for it to be called "far higher"?

I've been wondering about this, what would be the difference between higher and far higher?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I always thought far higher is when you can blitz someone

 

[Eminiteable]

I always thought far higher is when you can blitz someone

Alright then in that case there's two things I think could change:

• Zoro with his Lai attacks in both keys should get changed to "far higher" since he blitzed those relative to him prior.
• Cavendish should have his justifications worded like this: "A-2 (Fought against Gladius and kept up with him for a long period of time) with A-3 reactions (Intercepted several of Doflamingos bullet strings. Intercepted Pre-Colosseum Chinjao), far higher as Hakuba (Blitzed an entire colosseum of fighters faster than the audience could see, blitzed Dellinger, escaped a close range explosion and covered a large distance)" since his justification doesn't give him a reason to scale above his reactions but he would get a "far higher for blitzing dellinger.

 

[KingTempest]

Put the far higher with Hakuba at the end

 

[Eminiteable]

Put the far higher with Hakuba at the end

Alright

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Alright then in that case there's two things I think could change

But I don't know...

 

[Stefano4444]

Basically the calc's timeframe is for the moment purely for the time it takes the beam to reach its destination, but it is being applied to a point later than that, after the explosion has formed and Luffy is some distance in the air. It's not accurate to use that timeframe from the laser crossing the distance and apply it to how far Luffy moved in that panel as being something that happened in the same timeframe.

I double check chapter 601 and both beam reaching its destination and the explosion itself are show to happen in the same panel, this what was going on before, this its what happen after. If the beam was fire in the previous panel and then in the next panel we see it travel and causing the explosion then sure but this doesn't seen to be the case.

 

[Damage3245]

@Stefano4444; same panel does not mean in the same instant.

 

[Eminiteable]

Alright then in that case there's two things I think could change:

• Zoro with his Lai attacks in both keys should get changed to "far higher" since he blitzed those relative to him prior.
• Cavendish should have his justifications worded like this: "A-2 (Fought against Gladius and kept up with him for a long period of time) with A-3 reactions (Intercepted several of Doflamingos bullet strings. Intercepted Pre-Colosseum Chinjao), far higher as Hakuba (Blitzed an entire colosseum of fighters faster than the audience could see, blitzed Dellinger, escaped a close range explosion and covered a large distance)" since his justification doesn't give him a reason to scale above his reactions but he would get a "far higher for blitzing dellinger.

Just realized Vergo's is: "Speed: A-3 (Kept up with Sanji. Blocked several of his attacks and landed many hits on him), higher with Soru (This technique greatly increases the speed of the user. He blitzed Trafalgar Law from several meters away)" for similar reason's he would most likely be "far higher" instead of "higher" for blitzing Law.

Also how would we treat those who scale to a value via blitzing the person who scales there? There seems to be a lot of instances of this so would they just remain "A-1" or would they instead be "At least A-1"?

 

[KingTempest]

They’d scale to A-1 still I guess, just higher in that tier; since A-1 and Rel+ has a big gap

 

[Eminiteable]

They’d scale to A-1 still I guess, just higher in that tier; since A-1 and Rel+ has a big gap

I agree with them scaling to the same value, just specifically on if we'll attatch "at least" to them to differentiate more easily between other characters on how high they scale in that tier.

 

[KingTempest]

Bump

What else needs to be done here? This stuff looks accepted

 

[Damage3245]

I'm not sure if anything else really needs to be done.

 

[KingTempest]

Gotcha

I guess I can work on the combined profiles sandbox so we can add everything together prior to putting it to the profiles. I'll get back to you guys later

 

[Eminiteable]

What else needs to be done here? This stuff looks accepted

I agree with them scaling to the same value, just specifically on if we'll attatch "at least" to them to differentiate more easily between other characters on how high they scale in that tier.

Maybe on if we do this

 

[KingTempest]

I can work with that

Also I changed the numbers to A-6, 7, 9, and 10 to reflect the pattern from the original crt

 

[KingTempest]

KingTempest16/One Piece Speed (Combined)

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Done. Time to edit.

 

[Theendzero13]

will the other yonkou scale to whitebeard or marco ?

 

[KingTempest]

will the other yonkou scale to whitebeard or marco

I'll make a separate CRT for that, since it affects a lot of ppl in the future

Edit: Currently they scale to Marco, Shanks scales to WB

 

[Damage3245]

'''[[Speed]]:''' At least '''Sub Relativistic+''' (Should be faster than Koby, who's inferior in rank to her)

Regarding Hina; if somebody gets their rating purely off of their rank such as in this case, I think they need a "Likely" in front of their rating.

 

[KingTempest]

Need these unlocked

Roronoa Zoro (Post-Timeskip)

Roronoa Zoro, also known by his former epithet of “Pirate Hunter” after the Raid his new title of "The King of Hell", is the premier swordsman of the Straw Hat Pirates and a member of the Monster Trio. Recruited as a mildly notorious bounty hunter (hence his “Pirate Hunter” moniker), he is a...

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Monkey D. Luffy (Post-Timeskip)

Monkey D. Luffy, known as "Straw Hat Luffy", is the main protagonist of the manga and anime, One Piece. He's the son of Monkey D. Dragon, a revolutionary considered “The World's Most Dangerous Criminal”; the grandson of Monkey D. Garp, a powerful Marine Vice-Admiral who had cornered the late...

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Monkey D. Luffy (Pre-Timeskip)

Monkey D. Luffy, known as "Straw Hat Luffy", is the main protagonist of the manga and anime, One Piece. He's the son of Monkey D. Dragon, a revolutionary considered “The World's Most Dangerous Criminal”; the grandson of Monkey D. Garp, a powerful Marine Vice-Admiral who had cornered the late...

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Edward Newgate (Whitebeard)

Edward Newgate, better known in life by his epithet "Whitebeard", was the captain of the Whitebeard Pirates and one of the Four Emperors ruling in the second half of the Grand Line, known as the New World. Born in the impoverished and lawless village of Sphinx in the New World, Newgate lost his...

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[KingTempest]

Thank you everybody for the assistance.

We have completed the verse's speed revisions. All of the ratings from Pre TS to Post TS have been revised.

Thanks so much, we've done AP, lifting, and speed. Pretty much done the main stuff.

Closing, adios