One Piece: Sanji Ifrit Jambe Justification Fix

[Kachon123]

Currently, Sanji's profile uses the following justifications for Ifrit Jambe:

even higher with Ifrit Jambe (Ifrit Jambe is a combination of his physical strength, enhanced speed, Vinsmoke exoskeleton, and Busōshoku Haki)

And although this isn't necessarily wrong in the context of when he used it against Queen in chapter 1034, it implies that Ifrit Jambe can only be used in conjunction with his enhanced speed, which is wrong.

In the panel where this justification comes from (found here), Sanji states that he would use his Enhanced Speed and Exoskeleton Muscle in order to increase his kicking power, "All of which increase strength." he goes on to explain how he conjures Ifrit. "Add the Color of Armament Haki I've developed to the Exoskeleton, and my legs are tougher, capable of supporting even hotter flames!!!"


The first part (Speed and Muscle) was added to Ifrit (flames that require Buso and Exoskeleton to prevent Sanji from melting) to achieve maximum effectiveness in defeating Queen.


Sanji's justification for Ifrit Jambe should instead look like this:

even higher with Ifrit Jambe (Ifrit Jambe is a combination of his Vinsmoke Exoskeleton, and Busōshoku Haki making his legs tough enough to withstand its heat)

We can either use my suggestion or a modified version of it, or we can completely remove it. This is because the Exoskeleton and Busō only served the purpose of protecting Sanji's legs and not enhancing his kicking power. Alternatively, we could also consider modifying the justification in the following manner:

even higher with Ifrit Jambe (Ifrit Jambe is a stronger form of Diable Jambe, meaning that its effects should be the same as the latter, but to a a greater extent)

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Just gonna post this.

 

[Kachon123]

I posted the same exact panel in the OP. Thanks though?

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Then you read the panel and still think enhanced speed isn't needed for IJ.
There's no point to IJ if he doesn't amp his speed as well.
Whole point is that he blitzes you with hotter flames.
if you can still react to it then he's just wasting stamina making hotter flames.

 

[Kachon123]

There's no point to IJ if he doesn't amp his speed as well.

I never said that it doesn't amp his speed.

Whether it does or not is irrelevant to the purpose of the thread.

 

[SnookB]

Considering he only moved AFTER creating IJ, I won't say anything relating to whether or not it increases his speed.
But I do agree with the justification change. Not sure if the first or second since contextually they're the same? I don't see a big difference between either tbh

 

[DaMonkeMan]

I never said that it doesn't amp his speed.

Whether it does or not is irrelevant to the purpose of the thread.

Wtf is the purpose of this thread then

 

[Kachon123]

Wtf is the purpose of this thread then

Please read the OP.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

If I'm reading this correctly the proposal is that:
Enhanced speed isn't needed for IJ.
Haki and the Exoskeleton are in it but not used to increase anything besides his flame resistance.
Not sure though because of this:

In the panel where this justification comes from (found here), Sanji states that he would use his Enhanced Speed and Exoskeleton Muscle in order to increase his kicking power,

We can either use my suggestion or a modified version of it, or we can completely remove it. This is because the Exoskeleton and Busō only served the purpose of protecting Sanji's legs and not enhancing his kicking power. Alternatively, we could also consider modifying the justification in the following manner:

..

 

[Kachon123]

Not sure though because of this:

Can you be more specific? I'm not sure what you meant, as you just replied to two things I said without explaining what caused the confusion.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

 

[Kachon123]

What about that is confusing?

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Because you admit Sanji says that it enhances his kicking power and then say it doesn't.

 

[Kachon123]

Because you admit Sanji says that it enhances his kicking power and then say it doesn't.

The Enhanced Speed and Exo Muscle increased his kicking power, not the Exo Protection and Busō is what I'm saying.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Basically Sanji only needed his Buso and Exoskeleton to create Ifrit Jambe and then uses his enhanced speed and muscles to make the attack even stronger.

 

[Kachon123]

Basically Sanji only needed his Buso and Exoskeleton to create Ifrit Jambe and then uses his enhanced speed and muscles to make the attack even stronger.

Bingo!

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Exo Muscle?

Basically Sanji only needed his Buso and Exoskeleton to create Ifrit Jambe and then uses his enhanced speed and muscles to make the attack even stronger.

Also Armament still gives it more AP .

 

[Kachon123]

Exo Muscle?

Yes, it's in the panel you posted earlier.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Oh no, there's a comma before muscle, he's just listing 3 main things that help him make IJ.

 

[Kachon123]

Oh I'm blind.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Well what do we do now?

 

[Kachon123]

It doesn't change anything.

 

[Godernet]

I agree but I would make it...

even higher with Ifrit Jambe (Ifrit Jambe is an enhanced version of his Diable Jambe that combines his Vinsmoke Exoskeleton and Busōshoku Haki to make his legs durable enough to withstand its increased heat, its damage can be further increased as he accelerates.)

 

[DaMonkeMan]

I'm a tad confused with it but I might agree.. Dunno yet.

 

[Kachon123]

That works as well.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Yeah I like that better.
Though I feel it'd be obvious that damage increases as he accelerates, that's basic physics iirc.

 

[Godernet]

I'm a tad confused with it but I might agree.. Dunno yet.

From what I understand it's just specifying in the profile that IJ can be formed with Buso and the Exo alone(which makes sense since those are the only things Sanji specified needing to be able to create a fire that hot) and that his top speeds just further amp it.

 

[Godernet]

Though I feel it'd be obvious that damage increases as he accelerates, that's basic physics iirc.

fair

 

[XDragnoir]

I agree with Kachon here.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

From what I understand it's just specifying in the profile that IJ can be formed with Buso and the Exo alone(which makes sense since those are the only things Sanji specified needing to be able to create a fire that hot) and that his top speeds just further amp it.

I always thought it was from friction due to how fast he's going, like Red Hawk.
But that might make sense too.

 

[Godernet]

I always thought it was from friction due to how fast he's going, like Red Hawk.
But that might make sense too.

I mean nowadays Sanji has made Diable Jambe and Hell's Memories while he was standing still so it's more than just friction. It seems like he can just set himself ablaze which even Queen pointed out in their fight was weird. If it could be explained with just friction people in verse wouldn't see it as some weird thing that Sanji does.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

If you ask me it's something like Judge getting him artificial DF powers on top of his modifications like Vegapunk did but somehow without the weaknesses of water, which explains his siblings' powers.

 

[Eseseso]

So would IJ still boost his speed?

 

[Kachon123]

So would IJ still boost his speed?

Yes

 

[XDragnoir]

So would IJ still boost his speed?

Yes because DJ does that, and IJ is literally DJ but better (if DJ adds 4 to speed, IJ should add 5 or 6).

 

[Eseseso]

Yes because DJ does that, and IJ is literally DJ but better (if DJ adds 4 to speed, IJ should add 5 or 6).

That actually checks out.

 

[Kachon123]

That actually checks out.

It's in the second option in the OP as well.

 

[XDragnoir]

I mean nowadays Sanji has made Diable Jambe and Hell's Memories while he was standing still so it's more than just friction. It seems like he can just set himself ablaze which even Queen pointed out in their fight was weird. If it could be explained with just friction people in verse wouldn't see it as some weird thing that Sanji does.

That + the cigarette thing when he was talking about with Bege, literally set it on fire without even touching.

 

[Kachon123]

 

[Godernet]

If you ask me it's something like Judge getting him artificial DF powers on top of his modifications like Vegapunk did but somehow without the weaknesses of water, which explains his siblings' powers.

or some Lunarian properties. Enhanced durability + fire manipulation seems pretty suspicious.