One-Punch Man - Damn fast ninjas

[Shadow_x007x]

I won't write anything long-winded. We will change this calculation.

Damn fast ninjas

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Let this be the calculation

One-Punch Man - Damn fast ninjas

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For these reasons

1. The snail's speed was changed from 0.013 m/s to 0.00275 m/s.
2. We should change Flashy's speed endpoint to High End considering Flame and Wind aren't even close to him yet.

Results of change

• Flame and Wind from Sub-Relativistic to Sub-Relativistic+
• Flashy returns to FTL again
• Flashy will have speeds ranging from Relativistic to FTL depending on acceptance in this thread.

Staff Score Count:
Agree:

• Calc #1:
• Calc #2:
• Calc #3:
• Calc #4: @TheRustyOne, @Therefir

Disagree:

• Calc #1:
• Calc #2:
• Calc #3: @Damage3245
• Calc #4:

 

[Damage3245]

I don't agree with using the high end of that calc.

There isn't anything supporting the assumption that Flashy Flash didn't start moving until Hellfire Flame was 12 centimerers away from him. The 509 px line doesn't lead to anything specific and that line is drawn for a panel from after Flashy Flash had started his own movement.

 

[Shadow_x007x]

It doesn't look like Flame and Wind are moving close enough to Flashy. Maybe Flashy could turn around and tap his head once before they reach him. I don't think using the calculated distance will be an issue

 

[Boll8011]

Stay tuned

 

[DavidTPPM]

I disagree with the high end. There is 0 evidence to support the suggestion that Flashy only started moving when they were 12cm away and he appears to already be turning around in the panel used to calculate their distance.

Also the distance Flashy traveled should be re-checked as well. Flashy doesn't do a full 180° turn, he only turns by 90° at best.

He also doesn't do a roundhouse kick but instead just Chun Li style foot-jabs where he bends his knee and extends it again. Now I'm not 100% sure I understand the distance measurement but it seems to work on the assumption he does a full 90° roundhouse kick which is simply wrong

 

[Shadow_x007x]

I disagree with the high end. There is 0 evidence to support the suggestion that Flashy only started moving when they were 12cm away and he appears to already be turning around in the panel used to calculate their distance.

The assumption does not say that Flashy started moving when Flame and Wind were 12 cm away from him, but rather that the calculation assumes that Flashy finished moving before Flame and Wind reached him.

Also the distance Flashy traveled should be re-checked as well. Flashy doesn't do a full 180° turn, he only turns by 90° at best.

A back turn is a movement of at least 180 degrees, as shown in this figure and this video.

He also doesn't do a roundhouse kick but instead just Chun Li style foot-jabs where he bends his knee and extends it again. Now I'm not 100% sure I understand the distance measurement but it seems to work on the assumption he does a full 90° roundhouse kick which is simply wrong

I'm not sure about that either, but assuming that the first kick was a straight leg to stop Flame and Wind's movement, I think that's probably correct.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Actually I'm not fully certain of the 180 degree movement anymore, taking a closer look they look like they're more towards Flashy Flash's right side.

90 degrees could be more accurate. For it to be 180 degrees, shouldn't FF be facing the camera dead on? It's not just a head tilt either since he's looking straight ahead.

High-End distance is still alright to me.

The Low-End makes no sense since it'd mean they reached FF's position, in the same time as he turns and kicks. Which is incorrect, because FF intercepted them before that. He would've had to miss and they would be right next to him, side by side for that to work. But they didn't manage to cross that 0.97 meters, they got stopped.

The High-End isn't even a High-End to me, it's the only acceptable end.

HF and GW are both 0.97 meters away. We see FF turn and launch his kicks, from the distance provided they only managed to move 0.12 meters at most.

No one is saying FF only moved when they were 0.12 meters away from him. He moved his distance in the same timeframe it took for them to move 0.12 meters, because that's how close they managed to reach him before getting stopped dead by his kicks.

 

[Damage3245]

I don't agree with using the 12 cm figure because it assumes that Flashy Flash's head is in the same position that it was in the earlier panel. If you look at Flashy Flashy's position here, his body is oriented so that he is leaning away from them.

 

[TheRustyOne]

I don't agree with using the 12 cm figure because it assumes that Flashy Flash's head is in the same position that it was in the earlier panel. If you look at Flashy Flashy's position here, his body is oriented so that he is leaning away from them.

What are you on about? It does not assume that, can you explain why you believe that?

FF is kicking towards them, the direction his head is the same direction is legs are going.

The distance between FF and the ninjas is 0.97 meters. We see him kicking towards them and we don't see them on panel, which means their further away off panel.

His distance from his head to the edge of the panel is 0.85 meters, meaning they're at the most 0.12 meters away. Though it could be lower.

His head position is irrelevant, if he moved that just increases the results even more as he'd be closer. Not unless you mean he moved backwards through the floor?

I don't understand your point here.

 

[DavidTPPM]

The assumption does not say that Flashy started moving when Flame and Wind were 12 cm away from him, but rather that the calculation assumes that Flashy finished moving before Flame and Wind reached him.

As far as I understand, the calc assumes he starts moving when they're 12cm away.

A back turn is a movement of at least 180 degrees, as shown in this figure and this video.

No it's not. Flashy did this

That's a 90° turn.

I'm not sure about that either, but assuming that the first kick was a straight leg to stop Flame and Wind's movement, I think that's probably correct.

It's not. We see he's just bending his knee and not doing full round kicks.

Basically, the calc assumes he's doing this movement

When he's actually doing this

And that's a pretty major difference in distance traveled

 

[Kachon123]

For the distance Hellfire Flame and Gale Wind moved in the time it took for Flashy Flash to kick, why don't we just use the initial 0.96 meters and subtract it by the length of Flashy's legs?

 

[TheRustyOne]

For the distance Hellfire Flame and Gale Wind moved in the time it took for Flashy Flash to kick, why don't we just use the initial 0.96 meters and subtract it by the length of Flashy's legs?

This would be better in all honesty.

 

[DavidTPPM]

What are you on about? It does not assume that, can you explain why you believe that?

FF is kicking towards them, the direction his head is the same direction is legs are going.

The distance between FF and the ninjas is 0.97 meters. We see him kicking towards them and we don't see them on panel, which means their further away off panel.

We only see him AFTER the kick has already been launched and we don't see them on screen so we can't say whether they got hit.
An important detail is this.

They flied at Flashy face first and we see they're tilted backwards meaning Flashys kick moved them back while keeping them in his range.
What this means is that their position during or after the kicks does not determine how far they got as Flashy pushed them backwards.

In other words, they easily could have traveled almost the entire distance and just gotten pushed backwards. This especially makes sense given how your body tilts backwards during a high kick

Meaning Flashys upper body would actually be moving AWAY from them and his leg would be pushing them away. So saying they could have only moved 12 centimeters is just wrong

 

[TheRustyOne]

We only see him AFTER the kick has already been launched and we don't see them on screen so we can't say whether they got hit.

What are you on about? No reason to assuming FF is kicking empty air without proof.

Also that only means FF is even faster, that just increases the results since they moved even less distance.

Your kind of speaking nonsense, though you're right on the degrees turn.

They can't travel the full 0.97 m distance and FF can't go further away, he's been smashed into a wall. Not unless he digs through rocks.

 

[Damage3245]

What are you on about? It does not assume that, can you explain why you believe that?

FF is kicking towards them, the direction his head is the same direction is legs are going.

The distance between FF and the ninjas is 0.97 meters. We see him kicking towards them and we don't see them on panel, which means their further away off panel.

His distance from his head to the edge of the panel is 0.85 meters, meaning they're at the most 0.12 meters away. Though it could be lower.

His head position is irrelevant, if he moved that just increases the results even more as he'd be closer. Not unless you mean he moved backwards through the floor?

I don't understand your point here.

The position of his head is not irrelevant as the initial distance is found between the two ninjas and Flashy Flash's head here, no?

This is Flashy Flash initially, rising up from face-planting into the ground.

A simple turn isn't all he's doing to get from that to this. He wasn't standing on one leg initially; his body wasn't leaning away from them. As he rose up and turned, he has to lean his body back so that his leg can raise up and kick out. And if he's leaning back away from them, then his head ends up further away from them than where he started.

 

[DavidTPPM]

For the distance Hellfire Flame and Gale Wind moved in the time it took for Flashy Flash to kick, why don't we just use the initial 0.96 meters and subtract it by the length of Flashy's legs?

Not entire legs since Flashy bends them to kick while pulling them towards his body which is moving away from the target.

The most accurate option would be to take the distance and subtract the length of Flashy's legs behind knees. It wouldn't be perfect as it wouldn't take into account Flashy tilting away but it's far more accurate than just guessing

 

[TheRustyOne]

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I don't understand your point here, explain how this effects the calculation cause you aren't making much sense here.

 

[Damage3245]

I don't understand your point here, explain how this effects the calculation cause you aren't making much sense here.

At the moment I can't think of a clearer way to explain it. I'll try again later.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Nah, I think I'm done here. You all are just scrambling my brain, should've known nothing good comes out of OPM at all.

Do whatever you want, get another calc group member to take a look at this because I can't take this headache. I'm trying to lower my stress and this isn't good for me.

This is my last comment on this thread.

 

[DavidTPPM]

What are you on about? No reason to assuming FF is kicking empty air without proof.

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I'm not saying he's kicking air…?

Also that only means FF is even faster, that just increases the results since they moved even less distance.

Literally the opposite…? I'm saying they could have moved almost the entire distance and Flashys kick just pushed them back.

Your kind of speaking nonsense

Nah you just don't understand what I'm saying.

They can't travel the full 0.97 m distance

Which is why I said almost the entire distance. Point is we don't know and all we're doing here is guessing.

and FF can't go further away, he's been smashed into a wall. Not unless he digs through rocks.

There's the hole where he was smashed into but idrc, it doesn't really matter

 

[Damage3245]

Okay, sorry if my earlier comments were unclear - I didn't intend to stress you out.

 

[Shadow_x007x]

As far as I understand, the calc assumes he starts moving when they're 12cm away.

That shows you are completely wrong. Subtracting the distance between Flame and Flashy in this image by the distance we cannot see Flame in this image gives us the distance from the point in this image to where Flashy's leg kicks in this image. The distance Flame travels is 12 cm, so this is correct.

Actually I'm not fully certain of the 180 degree movement anymore, taking a closer look they look like they're more towards Flashy Flash's right side.

90 degrees could be more accurate. For it to be 180 degrees, shouldn't FF be facing the camera dead on? It's not just a head tilt either since he's looking straight ahead.

I can change it to 90 degrees as DavidTPPM suggested.

 

[Shadow_x007x]

For the distance Hellfire Flame and Gale Wind moved in the time it took for Flashy Flash to kick, why don't we just use the initial 0.96 meters and subtract it by the length of Flashy's legs?

The length of Flashy's legs is 0.8944 m, which is only slightly different from the distance calculation in this image (in this image we measured it at 0.85 m).

 

[Therefir]

The high-end looks good to me.

The Ninja Duo couldn't even cross the 0.97 meters distance before Flashy turned around and kicked them with his right leg, with still a good distance between each other.

 

[DavidTPPM]

The length of Flashy's legs is 0.8944 m, which is only slightly different from the distance calculation in this image (in this image we measured it at 0.85 m).

Like I said before, full leg length wouldn't make sense due to how Flashy kicks. Using half is far more accurate as they could have easily reached that far without getting kicked.
So around 45cm would be the appropriate distance.

 

[Therefir]

0.45 meters wouldn't make sense, Flashy wouldn't have been able to extend his leg like he did here.

 

[DavidTPPM]

0.45 meters wouldn't make sense, Flashy wouldn't have been able to extend his leg like he did here.

Why not? They could legit be this close

And still get kicked. I would actually argue 45cm is generous given how Flashy kicks by putting his leg near his body rather than just bending his knee

 

[Therefir]

Because the panel that I show you has the final distance between Flash and the Ninjas to be at the very least 0.85 meters, with none of them being on sight on that panel and the kicks connecting only on the following panel.

 

[DavidTPPM]

The difference is basically that you're suggesting they have to be at the end of Flashy's kick while I'm suggesting they could be as close as the start of Flashy's kick

 

[DavidTPPM]

Because the panel that I show you has the final distance between Flash and the Ninjas to be at the very least 0.85 meters, with none of them being on sight on that panel and the kicks connecting only on the following panel.

That's simply not true because this panel is AFTER the kick. It only shows what happened after Flashy already extended his leg meaning even if they were closer they would have gotten kicked away.

Which like I already said is consistent with them coming face first at Flashy but after he kicks them they're actually tilted backwards, meaning Flashy's kicks did push them away

 

[Recon1511]

Oh cool, we back to FTL then.

 

[Therefir]

That's simply not true because this panel is AFTER the kick. It only shows what happened after Flashy already extended his leg meaning even if they were closer they would have gotten kicked away.

Which like I already said is consistent with them coming face first at Flashy but after he kicks them they're actually tilted backwards, meaning Flashy's kicks did push them away

Doesn't that make sense, how could Flashy kick them away in that panel and then connect dozens of his other kicks while still in the same place? Did only his first kick push them away and then somehow all the others keep them in place?

Also, we can see in these panels that there are no impact effects halfway between them, which shows that when Flashy kicked them, they were already at that distance from the start.

Your assumption is based on an action that is not shown on-screen, which I can't agree with.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Doesn't that make sense, how could Flashy kick them away in that panel and then connect dozens of his other kicks while still in the same place?

If he wants to kick them repeatedly he would obviously put them in a position where it suits him and keep them there.

Did only his first kick push them away and then somehow all the others keep them in place?

Sure? Flashy is an INSANELY skilled ninja so I don't see why he wouldn't be able to keep them in place to kick them repeatedly.

It's not even unrealistic from an IRL perspective. His first kick would push them away and then the rest would just do damage. It shouldn't be any different from how real humans can push you away to create distance but can also shower you with attacks without pushing you out of their range.

Also, we can see in these panels that there are no impact effects halfway between them, which shows that when Flashy kicked them, they were already at that distance from the start.

Why would there be impacts marks? That's a whole different page that happens after the first 2 kicks. There's no reason for a contact mark from the previous page to be still visible in the later page.

Your assumption is based on an action that is not shown on-screen, which I can't agree with.

No, I'm not assuming anything. You are assuming something didn't happen because you don't think there's satisfactory evidence to suggest so. And that's just an appeal to ignorance.

This is when someone states that since there is insufficient evidence of something, it cannot possibly be true.

We just factually don't know when did Flashy kick them. It could have been the moment they got into his range and it could be at the last moment. We don't know.

What I'm saying is that since we have a range of possible time frames (anywhere from 45-90cm) the safest way to go about this is use the highest possible time frame (45cm) since we know for a fact Flashy had to r

 

[DavidTPPM]

My point is ultimately that you can't prove the higher distance.
If I ask you to prove they only got to the outer edge of Flashy's range, you won't be able to do so as we literally don't see when did Flashy's leg connect.

If I ask you to prove they were at least at the nearest point necessary for Flashy to kick them you can do so because well, he literally did kick them.

 

[Recon1511]

I mean you are assuming the kick pushed them back when it's never shown to do so

 

[DavidTPPM]

I mean you are assuming the kick pushed them back when it's never shown to do so

No, YOU are assuming it didn't push them back when it was never shown that it didn't.

I'm not assuming anything, I'm just stating what we can prove and what we can't. And what we use on the wiki is what we can prove

 

[Shadow_x007x]

@DavidTPPM. Could you please try to calculate as you told me? That will help me understand what you mean better.

 

[Shadow_x007x]

I've changed the degree of Flashy's back turn to 90 degrees, as I seem to agree with that.

But it seems like what DavidTPPM said about Flashy's leg-flipping is still confusing to me. I'll wait and see DavidTPPM's calculations that take leg-flipping into account.

 

[Kachon123]

For the distance Hellfire Flame and Gale Wind moved in the time it took for Flashy Flash to kick, why don't we just use the initial 0.96 meters and subtract it by the length of Flashy's legs?

You should include this as well. Rusty seemed to agree with it.

 

[Shadow_x007x]

You should include this as well. Rusty seemed to agree with it.

The results are not much different from before so I think it's not really necessary.

The length of Flashy's legs is 0.8944 m, which is only slightly different from the distance calculation in this image (in this image we measured it at 0.85 m).