OPM MFTL Saitama and Garou

[MrTayman616]

This calc was accepted.

One-Punch Man - Saitama and Garou Fly off of IO

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It should apply for Saitama and Garou for parallel timeline versions.

 

[AyOgUyS]

Seems good at a glance.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Obvious Agree.

 

[Kin201]

Can you explain why they scale to this speed?

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Can you explain why they scale to this speed?

 

[Kin201]

Alr, if they reacted during the feat, I guess it's fine.

 

[DavidTPPM]

12007648.6/0.05 = 240152972 m/s

Where exactly does this 0.05 value come from?
You use it as the timeframe for how fast the gas expanded after the karman line and the timeframe is the time it takes the sneeze particles to reach peak velocity. But why would you use time until peak velocity for the sneezes expansion? You explain why Saitama would be pushed back after 0.05s (which I also heavily disagree with) but you seem to have just randomly slapped that timeframe on the gas expansion speed. You're also not accounting for the 421,700km between Io and Jupiter that it would have to travel. The 0.05s could have easily passed while the sneeze traveled that distance before it even touched Jupiter. I may be missing something (I just woke up after a 4 hours of sleep so I'm not exactly the sharpest) but to me it seems the timeframe there is completely arbitrarily slapped there.


As for Saitama being pushed back, no he wouldn't be pushed back when the sneeze reached whatever velocity while it's over 420000 kilometers away from him. It would push him back while it's still acting on his body. Like I told you in DMs, you can't shoot a bullet and only get hit with recoil after it reached peak velocity 5 kilometers away from you because it's not acting onto your body anymore.

 

[MrTayman616]

As for Saitama being pushed back, no he wouldn't be pushed back when the sneeze reached whatever velocity while it's over 420000 kilometers away from him. It would push him back while it's still acting on his body. Like I told you in DMs, you can't shoot a bullet and only get hit with recoil after it reached peak velocity 5 kilometers away from you because it's not acting onto your body anymore.

It happens when you sneeze, it's the expulsion from your body, action reaction etc. not the air particles making you fly or something.

Where exactly does this 0.05 value come from?
You use it as the timeframe for how fast the gas expanded after the karman line and the timeframe is the time it takes the sneeze particles to reach peak velocity. But why would you use time until peak velocity for the sneezes expansion? You explain why Saitama would be pushed back after 0.05s (which I also heavily disagree with) but you seem to have just randomly slapped that timeframe on the gas expansion speed. You're also not accounting for the 421,700km between Io and Jupiter that it would have to travel. The 0.05s could have easily passed while the sneeze traveled that distance before it even touched Jupiter. I may be missing something (I just woke up after a 4 hours of sleep so I'm not exactly the sharpest) but to me it seems the timeframe there is completely arbitrarily slapped there.

Propulsion effect to you from the act of sneezing would be the highest here, the distance sneeze travels is irrelevant

 

[DavidTPPM]

It happens when you sneeze, it's the expulsion from your body, action reaction etc. not the air particles making you fly or something.

So Saitamas body should be blown back the second he starts sneezing, not long after he did so and the sneeze already reached some place 421000 km away.

Propulsion effect to you from the act of sneezing would be the highest here, the distance sneeze travels is irrelevant

So, he should be shot away by his sneeze as he's sneezing, not long after that.
He should start moving away here

Not here

Which would make a timeframe gained by the expansion of the gas completely useless as he was moving for a much longer unknown timeframe

 

[MrTayman616]

So Saitamas body should be blown back the second he starts sneezing, not long after he did so and the sneeze already reached some place 421000 km away.

They have their own resistance etc.

Not every amount of force would fly them off.

The longest timeframe would be the peak expulsion where it'd cause the highest propulsion effect.

 

[Hayato5652]

Please present your argument in this thread, but keep it brief,
so that other members can respond more easily.

 

[Kachon123]

Murata’s depiction of how things should work isn’t always perfect. The fact that Saitama was only sent flying by the recoil of his sneeze after it reached Jupiter is problematic, with or without a calculation. This falls under suspension of disbelief. If we’re going to calculate Saitama and Garou’s speed, this remains the most reliable method.

 

[Floxy178]

Yeah as we don't see them flying until that panel that's probably safe to assume that.

However I believe timeframe part is problematic. Just as David said, timeframe for that sneeze reaching top speed is irrelevant with timeframe of gases movement.

 

[MrTayman616]

However I believe timeframe part is problematic. Just as David said, timeframe for that sneeze reaching top speed is irrelevant with timeframe of gases movement.

It is not. Because those gases move there before they flew away before they fly away from IO, which means sooner than sneeze's propulsion reaches a state where it can send away Saitama and Garou, which would be the moment where it reaches top speed as it would have the best expulsion and propulsion affect for Saitama's body, aka making it a reasonable and latest timeframe.

 

[Floxy178]

It is not. Because those gases move there before they flew away before they fly away from IO

Oh now I get what you're saying. But they don't seem to be blown away because of sneeze. It's more like Garou attacking Saitama.

If it was because of sneeze, it'd be just Saitama who flew away.

 

[MrTayman616]

Oh now I get what you're saying. But they don't seem to be blown away because of sneeze. It's more like Garou attacking Saitama.

If it was because of sneeze, it'd be just Saitama who flew away.

It is because of the sneeze + Saitama is holding Garou's hand, which is why he comes with him. Also look at this face and tell me Garou attacks him like that again :d

 

[Floxy178]

It is because of the sneeze + Saitama is holding Garou's hand, which is why he comes with him.

More like he's blocking Garou's punch

Also look at this face and tell me Garou attacks him like that again

During flight he looks back and sees what that sneeze did to Jupiter.

 

[MrTayman616]

More like he's blocking Garou's punch

Garou punches him before the sneeze. You can check the chapter in cubari (can't be shared here if irrc)

During flight he looks back and sees what that sneeze did to Jupiter.

Yes, that's one of the points why we use the value lmao.

 

[Floxy178]

Maybe I'm missing something but even if we assume that it's because of the sneeze, how sneeze getting peak velocity affects Saitama? If it increases in velocity after 50 ms, that's not something that affects them, only sneeze at its initial speed would be.

Garou punches him before the sneeze. You can check the chapter in cubari (can't be shared here if irrc)

I see

 

[MrTayman616]

Maybe I'm missing something but even if we assume that it's because of the sneeze, how sneeze getting peak velocity affects Saitama? If it increases in velocity after 50 ms, that's not something that affects them, only sneeze at its initial speed would be.

Because it's Saitama who sneezes. It is still expulsion state there. Sneeze at that level, it has an action reaction situation. At the moment where the expulsion is highest, the effect on Saitama would also be the highest.

 

[Floxy178]

Because it's Saitama who sneezes. Sneeze at that level, it has an action reaction situation. At the moment where the expulsion is highest, the effect on Saitama would also be the highest.

No, it reaching top speed after moving some distance will have 0 effect on Saitama. It's only initial expulsion which matters.

 

[MrTayman616]

No, it reaching top speed after moving some distance will have 0 effect on Saitama. It's only initial expulsion which matters.

No, as Saitama is the one who sneezes. (You can ask me from DM, since i don't want it to get too long )

 

[Floxy178]

No, as Saitama is the one who sneezes. (You can ask me from DM, since i don't want it to get too long )

Yeah it's agree to disagree at this point.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Murata’s depiction of how things should work isn’t always perfect. The fact that Saitama was only sent flying by the recoil of his sneeze after it reached Jupiter is problematic, with or without a calculation. This falls under suspension of disbelief.

Sure but even if we suspend our disbelief it still makes the "peak velocity" argument wrong. We can't say Saitama was blasted away much later than he should have and at same time as he should have at once.

Either he should have been launched instantly or he didn't get launched how a normal sneeze should, you can't have both of these mutually contradictory arguments working at once.

 

[MrTayman616]

Sure but even if we suspend our disbelief it still makes the "peak velocity" argument wrong. We can't say Saitama was blasted away much later than he should have and at same time as he should have at once.

Either he should have been launched instantly or he didn't get launched how a normal sneeze should, you can't have both of these mutually contradictory arguments working at once.

That's why i'm using the highest velocity of sneeze, as that's when Saitama would expel them from his body at highest level. The highest point of expulsion and propulsion.

Saitama can resist a part of his sneeze, so choosing the highest point, where the propulsion affect be highest and send him flying off while he was resisting against the initial propulsion.

 

[Floxy178]

Saitama can resist a part of his sneeze, so choosing the highest point, where the propulsion affect be highest and send him flying off while he was resisting against the initial propulsion.

Just to clarify, is it initial velocity of sneeze that increases or speed of each droplet from the moment of leaving?

 

[MrTayman616]

Just to clarify, is it initial velocity of sneeze that increases or speed of each droplet from the moment of leaving?

Please check the blog (watching a movie, sorry if it seem rude :d)

 

[DavidTPPM]

That's why i'm using the highest velocity of sneeze, as that's when Saitama would expel them from his body at highest level. The highest point of expulsion and propulsion.

Saitama can resist a part of his sneeze, so choosing the highest point, where the propulsion affect be highest and send him flying off while he was resisting against the initial propulsion.

What? Again you're essentially saying that Saitama was blasted by his sneeze much later than he should while trying to apply the time where he should have been blasted to the calc.

Like Kachon said, Saitama getting blasted is very much inaccurate to when he should have been. So you can't say "Saitama should have been blasted after 0.05 seconds" when he undeniably got blasted much later than he should have. You're knowingly contradicting the manga for the sake of getting a small timeframe.

I also think this hasn't been addressed

Where exactly does this 0.05 value come from?
You use it as the timeframe for how fast the gas expanded after the karman line and the timeframe is the time it takes the sneeze particles to reach peak velocity. But why would you use time until peak velocity for the sneezes expansion?

The 0.05 seconds timeframe is when the sneeze should just be leaving a persons body, why are we using it to cover the sneeze traveling hundreds of thousands of kilometers outside of Saitamas body, hitting a target, and expanding instead.
This part of a sneeze takes 0.05, not this part.

 

[Floxy178]

Please check the blog (watching a movie, sorry if it seem rude :d)

Not a problem. It seems like second one is the case.

Just in that way your method doesn't make sense as propulsion that affects Saitama won't change over time.

 

[DavidTPPM]

As the linked page says

In all cases, we observe an initial rise in the velocity, which peaks around 50 ms, and then there is a gradual decrease in the velocity for the remaining duration of the sneeze. This implies that most of the fastest moving droplets are expelled at approximately 50 ms from the onset of the sneeze.

The 50ms timeframe covers the time from the start of the sneeze to until the droplets leave the sneezers body.

So my question is why are we assuming the sneeze traveled thousands of kilometers and hit Jupiter, then expanded across its surface, all in that timeframe which should only cover the sneeze leaving Saitamas body

 

[MrTayman616]

What? Again you're essentially saying that Saitama was blasted by his sneeze much later than he should while trying to apply the time where he should have been blasted to the calc.

No? I'm saying it would happen before or at the moment it causes the highest propulsion for Saitama.

The 0.05 seconds timeframe is when the sneeze should just be leaving a persons body, why are we using it to cover the sneeze traveling hundreds of thousands of kilometers outside of Saitamas body, hitting a target, and expanding instead.
This part of a sneeze takes 0.05, not this part.

I don't even see the problem. The moment Saitama fly off would be sooner than or equal to when it reaches the peak velocity as that's when the highest force would be applied to him.(since he's the one who expels them within that timeframe).

So my question is why are we assuming the sneeze traveled thousands of kilometers and hit Jupiter, then expanded across its surface, all in that timeframe which should only cover the sneeze leaving Saitamas body

Because Saitama would fly off within that timeframe as that's when the highest propulsion for Saitama would be. Not later because the propulsion is weaker, can be sooner but this would be the latest.

 

[Floxy178]

I don't even see the problem. The moment Saitama fly off would be sooner than or equal to when it reaches the peak velocity as that's when the highest force would be applied to him.(since he's the one who expels them within that timeframe).

The problem is that speed of droplets while leaving Saitama's body doesn't change. It should be like droplets leaving it faster and faster over time which isn't the case here.

 

[MrTayman616]

The problem is that speed of droplets while leaving Saitama's body doesn't change. It should be like droplets leaving it faster and faster over time which isn't the case here.

Droplets aren't even the point. But Saitama who does the action. Couldn't care less about how fast the droplets are. The reasoning for choosing when they'd be at the highest speed isn't that but choosing when Saitama's expulsion state reaches it's peak. (I'm about to forget the calc itself lmao)

 

[Floxy178]

Droplets aren't even the point. But Saitama who does the action. Couldn't care less about how fast the droplets are. The reasoning for choosing when they'd be at the highest speed isn't that but choosing when Saitama's expulsion state reaches it's peak. (I'm about to forget the calc itself lmao)

It literally doesn't change. 0.05 sec is time they need to gain peak speed after leaving body, none of its initial velocity(speed at which they leave the body) changes, nor does expulsion.

Your argument is true if speed at which they leave the body increases over time, which isn't true.

 

[DavidTPPM]

No? I'm saying it would happen before or at the moment it causes the highest propulsion for Saitama.

Yes and we see that's factually not true so using that timeframe is faulty as I explained here

So Saitamas body should be blown back the second he starts sneezing, not long after he did so and the sneeze already reached some place 421000 km away.

So, he should be shot away by his sneeze as he's sneezing, not long after that.
He should start moving away here

Not here

Which would make a timeframe gained by the expansion of the gas completely useless as he was moving for a much longer unknown timeframe

I don't even see the problem. The moment Saitama fly off would be sooner than or equal to when it reaches the peak velocity as that's when the highest force would be applied to him.(since he's the one who expels them within that timeframe).

The problem is that the peak velocity is shown ON SCREEN and we see ON SCREEN that he's not flying off and we only see him fly off much later.
This is the point of peak velocity that happens in 50ms according to the site you linked

And we see Saitama hasn't flied off here nor right after.

So he clearly didn't fly off during those 50ms but only long after the sneeze left his nose.

Because Saitama would fly off within that timeframe as that's when the highest propulsion for Saitama would be. Not later because the propulsion is weaker, can be sooner but this would be the latest.

But he didn't, did he. We see on screen that he has not flied off during the peak velocity of the sneeze as it's leaving his nose, but much later.


Hell I would actually say it's likely he got blasted off by a shockwave of the sneeze hitting Jupiter, as that would actually be a force acting on him in that direction unlike a sneeze which only acts onto Saitama in the direction of Jupiter. This would also be consistent with us seeing more ruble fly away from Jupiter after the sneeze hits it.

 

[MrTayman616]

It literally doesn't change. 0.05 sec is time they need to gain peak speed after leaving body, none of its initial velocity(speed at which they leave the body) changes, nor does expulsion.

Your argument is true if speed at which they leave the body increases over time, which isn't true.

Huh? Air isn't expelled at a constant speed or anything? The speed of expelled air during a sneeze rises to peak and falls off.

The problem is that the peak velocity is shown ON SCREEN and we see ON SCREEN that he's not flying off and we only see him fly off much later.
This is the point of peak velocity that happens in 50ms according to the site you linked

From the onset of the sneeze to that point, why would this be the peak moment? Can you tell me which part refers this as peak moment?

 

[Floxy178]

Huh? Air isn't expelled at a constant speed or anything?

Can you prove it? Because the site you linked talks about droplet speed reaching its peak 50 ms after leaving body, not about droplets being expelled at different speeds.

The speed of expelled air during a sneeze rises to peak and falls off.

Yeah that's true, but only during expulsion it will have recoil effect. It getting higher speed after expulsion has nothing to do with recoil.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Murata’s depiction of how things should work isn’t always perfect. The fact that Saitama was only sent flying by the recoil of his sneeze after it reached Jupiter is problematic, with or without a calculation. This falls under suspension of disbelief. If we’re going to calculate Saitama and Garou’s speed, this remains the most reliable method.

TL;DR - Its fiction.

 

[MrTayman616]

Can you prove it? Because the site you linked talks about droplet speed reaching its peak 50 ms after leaving body, not about droplets being expelled at different speeds.

...Isn't it basic knowledge(Not calling you anything, was serious, i'm actually not sure if it is )? Also what do you think happens within 0 second to 50 ms? Even you say "it reaches peak within 50ms". It doesn't just happen but it reaches it.

Yeah that's true, but only during expulsion it will have recoil effect. It getting higher speed after expulsion has nothing to do with recoil.

Expelled air being faster = Higher propulsion. It getting higher speed later isn't magical random speed increase but because of Saitama's expulsion.

 

[DavidTPPM]

From the onset of the sneeze to that point, why would this be the peak moment? Can you tell me which part refers this as peak moment?

Dude that's literally the end of the expulsion. It had to reach the peak because there's no more expulsion afterwards.

Like your question doesn't make sense, you're asking why hasn't Saitama or his sneeze reach peak velocity long after Saitama stopped moving and the sneeze was already far far away from him.