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Paraconsistent Physiology addition for Imaginary

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The Yin and Yang governs everything in the universe. Every existing event that happens across the cosmos is bounded by the two fundamental forces, the Yin and Yang. Li Sushang states that all things exist because of the two conflicting forces, the Yin and Yang.

Durandal later states that the Universe (Imaginary Tree) is full of contradictions, and every choice we make, even selecting one side of a contradiction, creates even more contradictions in our daily lives, and the cycle of contradictions is naturally unbreakable.

The Imaginary law is above all social and natural laws.

This part of the cosmology page is accepted, so I don't think I need to explain why the Imaginary Space is above classical logic.

According to the Paraconsistent Physiology page for type 2:
General: Beings which exist beyond the confines of classical logic in general, in a fashion that they may occupy both the value "true and false" or "neither true nor false" regarding any of their properties. This includes characters existing in a nondual state regarding all logical dual systems within an entire level of reality in a way that makes them occupy both or neither state of the dualities in question.

The Imaginary space, also the pinnacle of the Imaginary Tree, not only exists beyond the yin and yang but governs it entirely. Therefore would make it neither yin nor yang and both yin and yang at the same time.

As for people who thinks this is type 1: read through here. Yin and Yang is the philosophy that governs all dualities of the universe, meaning it is not a specific duality, but an duality that consists of all existing dualities in reality. Which does qualify for type 2 instead of only being type 1.

Characters who'll get Type 2 Paraconsistent Existence:

Otto Apocalypse: Otto became part of the Imaginary space and a slave of the Imaginary Tree.

All Herrschers: Herrschers are concepts part of the Imaginary
Cocoon of Finality Kiana (?): being the only existent Imaginary Singularity along with Herrschers being part of the Imaginary

All Aeons HooH: Also concepts part of the Imaginary

HooH will have a higher degree of paraconsistent existence than everyone else:

HooH exists beyond human comprehension. They can directly manipulate fundamental concepts and dualities of reality, fusing them, splitting them, and making them equal and interchangable with their own will. They can also destroy and create dualities and concepts.

HooH dissolves concepts and dualities into webs of logic, practically he is not bound by logic at all.
 
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I disagree.

Only HooH should have it. Especially if we qualify duality as a derivative of his Path, which mind you, Path Energy is specifically differentiated between itself (i.e differing Paths have differing parts of the Imaginary). So Ying and Yang is relevant to only the Imaginary part of HooH.
 
I disagree.

Only HooH should have it. Especially if we qualify duality as a derivative of his Path, which mind you, Path Energy is specifically differentiated between itself (i.e differing Paths have differing parts of the Imaginary). So Ying and Yang is relevant to only the Imaginary part of HooH.
Yin and Yang is relevant to the entire universe and all of imaginary space though
 
Yin and Yang dont qualify for paraconsistent physiology on its own, nor is calling something a "contradiction" or beyond logic. You need something a bit more qualified like "True" and "False", "Is" and "Is Not".
 
Yin and Yang applies to the entire universe and all of imaginary space though
Not what I’m opposing here. I’m saying that the only thing that is causally prior to duality is HooH, as even the Imaginary itself has differentiation within itself as the varying Paths form part-whole relationships. The only thing that governs Duality is Equilibrium and as such is the only thing that gains nonduality.

You post is the equivalent of giving every being NEP2 because Nihility is part of the Imaginary
 
Not what I’m opposing here. I’m saying that the only thing that is causally prior to duality is HooH, as even the Imaginary itself has differentiation within itself as the varying Paths form part-whole relationships. The only thing that governs Duality is Equilibrium and as such is the only thing that gains nonduality.

You post is the equivalent of giving every being NEP2 because Nihility is part of the Imaginary
I see. Would it be fine for Cocoon Kiana and Otto having the ability? Since Otto and Kiana are directly connected and can use the power of the Imaginary Tree
Yin and Yang dont qualify for paraconsistent physiology on its own, nor is calling something a "contradiction" or beyond logic. You need something a bit more qualified like "True" and "False", "Is" and "Is Not".
Being above and not bound by it would be. Being a contradiction would mean opposing forces type of stuff existing in the universe. HooH being a concept of Imaginary space makes it "is yang" and "is not yang", "is yin" and "is not yin".
 
I'm neutral on Hooh and disagree with the other Aeons.
Each Aeon has a different path. Hooh is the only one that symbolizes duality, while other Aeons aren't described that way.
I'm neutral on Hooh because I don't see it as nonduality, but rather a duality that's only Idealism and Nominalism, not fundamental and all thing.
so, i think hooh just type 1, not type 2
 
I see. Would it be fine for Cocoon Kiana and Otto having the ability? Since Otto and Kiana are directly connected and can use the power of the Imaginary Tree
Aeons can do the same thing, so obviously they won’t get it either.

Yin and Yang dont qualify for paraconsistent physiology on its own, nor is calling something a "contradiction" or beyond logic. You need something a bit more qualified like "True" and "False", "Is" and "Is Not".
It works because HooH divides them into their negations as well.
 
Being above and not bound by it would be. Being a contradiction would mean opposing forces type of stuff existing in the universe. HooH being a concept of Imaginary space makes it "is yang" and "is not yang", "is yin" and "is not yin".
You need actual statements of it being the case. This is a rather incoherent point you're making. You need explicit mentions of logical negations. Just saying something exists in contradiction and something else is beyond logic will not make a substantial case.

It works because HooH divides them into their negations as well.
Gonna need proof on this.
 
Gonna need proof on this.
You could prob js read the scans here ngl. Pretty sure I linked em all

I'm neutral on Hooh because I don't see it as nonduality, but rather a duality that's only Idealism and Nominalism, not fundamental and all thing.
Doesn’t rlly have much to do with Idealism but I was moreso thinking HooH is prior to the division between qualities rather than universals (because universals don’t exist in HSR hehehe)
 
Doesn’t rlly have much to do with Idealism but I was moreso thinking HooH is prior to the division between qualities rather than universals (because universals don’t exist in HSR hehehe)
Actually I agree more with type 1 than type 2 :)
 
You could prob js read the scans here ngl. Pretty sure I linked em all
Yea this doesn't qualify. Logical negations are strictly not interchangeable with each other. Also the examples of "radical opposites" in the equilibrium given are literally the type that dont qualify such as "Beauty and Ugliness", "Joy and Sorrow", "Good and Evil", etc.

Hard disagree
 
What does this mean vro
They aren't interchangeable as in they're exhaustively opposing. They're mutually exclusive. If you change "not-X" to "X" it ceases to be "not-X" entirely. You cannot substitute one for the other.

I can see the latter as just being type 1 at best.
 
They aren't interchangeable as in they're exhaustively opposing. They're mutually exclusive. If you change "not-X" to "X" it ceases to be "not-X" entirely. You cannot substitute one for the other.
Interchangably in means that HooH have the capability to change those truth values. Obviously it can't be changed naturally.
This is from 2024. DT is literally the one who says that only logical negations qualify and not just any duality too.
Well, I did present the yin and yang which does govern everything in the universe. Which includes other fundamental dualities like future and past, space and time, real and imaginary numbers. Logical negations is being done here by HooH, he is changing the dualities himself, not because the qualities interchange naturally. The scan says it.
 
The types just differentiate between the span of contradiction. I’m not sure how nominalism wouldn’t disqualify them both
Specific: Beings which exist beyond the confines of classical logic regarding one or several of their properties, but not all of them. This includes character nondual regarding one or more specific logical dual systems.
Type 1 is more specific and does not cover the entire dual system, so in this case, it does not cover the entire dual system, it only breaks the logical system in some dual systems, not as a whole. Moreover, if it is only nominalism, I even doubt that it is included in specific duality. Yeah, so I am neutral on this.
 
They aren't interchangeable as in they're exhaustively opposing. They're mutually exclusive. If you change "not-X" to "X" it ceases to be "not-X" entirely. You cannot substitute one for the other.

I can see the latter as just being type 1 at best.
I’m confident it’s obvious that “interchangeable” here isn’t meant to be interpreted as “similar”. Not that it’s inherently a contradiction anyhow because even a logical negation is defined by its relation to the thing it negates.
 
Type 1 is more specific and does not cover the entire dual system, so in this case, it does not cover the entire dual system, it only breaks the logical system in some dual systems, not as a whole. Moreover, if it is only nominalism, I even doubt that it is included in specific duality. Yeah, so I am neutral on this.
This is what I just said: span. If HooH doesn’t qualify for dualities then there’s no reason why he qualifies for even Type 1.
 
I’m confident it’s obvious that “interchangeable” here isn’t meant to be interpreted as “similar”. Not that it’s inherently a contradiction anyhow because even a logical negation is defined by its relation to the thing it negates.
Yes but they arent interchangeable/subsitutable with the other even if they're inherently relational.

Existence and Nothingness is a bit weird for me too. You can have "true" and "false" and shit like that exist just fine (since both of those cover the entire range of existent things), but when it comes to existence and nonexistence it should kinda just be as a nominal thing otherwise a fiction is qualifying the nothingness/nonexistence part of the spectrum as actually "existent" like in the scans presented (NEP is also not truly nonexistent and is just some weird existence). Which puts it entirely at odds with how paraconsistent physiology is defined.
 
Yes but they arent interchangeable/subsitutable with the other even if they're inherently relational.

Existence and Nothingness is a bit weird for me too. You can have "true" and "false" and shit like that exist just fine (since both of those cover the entire range of existent things), but when it comes to existence and nonexistence it should kinda just be as a nominal thing otherwise a fiction is qualifying the nothingness/nonexistence part of the spectrum as actually "existent" like in the scans presented (NEP is also not truly nonexistent and is just some weird existence). Which puts it entirely at odds with how paraconsistent physiology should be defined.
I think this is about how strict we are on the standards ngl. Cuz obviously IX doesn’t truly not exist but I wonder if PP is as lenient too
 
I think this is about how strict we are on the standards ngl. Cuz obviously IX doesn’t truly not exist but I wonder if PP is as lenient too
I might ask DT about it and maybe make a staff thread on it (which would require changing NEP2 entirely as well although most of qualifiers would probably still qualify if its defined as just a NEP other than typical NEP)
 
I think this is about how strict we are on the standards ngl. Cuz obviously IX doesn’t truly not exist but I wonder if PP is as lenient too
IX is NEP2 which already makes him type 1 paraconsistent I think
Yes but they arent interchangeable/subsitutable with the other even if they're inherently relational.
They indeed aren't. Its just HooH makes them interchangable.
Existence and Nothingness is a bit weird for me too. You can have "true" and "false" and shit like that exist just fine (since both of those cover the entire range of existent things), but when it comes to existence and nonexistence it should kinda just be as a nominal thing otherwise a fiction is qualifying the nothingness/nonexistence part of the spectrum as actually "existent" like in the scans presented (NEP is also not truly nonexistent and is just some weird existence). Which puts it entirely at odds with how paraconsistent physiology is defined.
NEP2 already qualifies for type 1 paraconsistent in most cases already. Definitely a staff thread if this topic is gonna move on to that.
 
 
Yea, why does that give them NEP2? Is it the “logic” part? That’s obviously not meant to be interpreted in a strict sense; just meant to be a synonym for rationality.
 
Yea, why does that give them NEP2? Is it the “logic” part? That’s obviously not meant to be interpreted in a strict sense; just meant to be a synonym for rationality.
@Enryu_The_Red_Tower made it. I suppose it means that Imaginary = nothingness and IX is also nothingness to the Imaginary, so that is where NEP2 comes from. Perhaps.
 
Just found there's this who has transdual type 2 for encompassing the yin and yang.
 
I'll say I'm fine with type 1 due to existence and nothingness. Talked a bit off site with someone (not about honkai mind you just general stuff), and PP stuff is just weird in general.
 
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