Paradox of Tier 0

[Andykhang]

What are the paradox of tier 0 do you know about? For example, despite how they're all beyond understanding and concept and such, you could theoratically, or even easily describe them fully, in any kind of language, even when they don't want it (but obviously if they want it so)

 

[Burstchaos]

There's the obvious rock paradox then the prison/cage paradox and the sea paradox. But I think they can ask be solved by saying that an omnipotent being is beyond understanding; even if you can understand them completely, you can't understand them at all.

 

[Andykhang]

Yeah, pretty much. Though it isn't exactly true to said you can't understand them at all, since that kinda violate them being omnipotence and stuff. More accurately is that "You can understand them completely, you may not, it could be somewhere in between or beyond or other and it may change overtime or not. You can really understand them, even when they have thing to hide or not, and you could understand all part while still leaving some."

...Kinda like marriage, really.

Another paradox I see is basically just about the writing of them. Even though they're omnipotent, most of the character I see is either really weird, or really boring, without spectrum in between. Leaving aside the "beyond moral" bullshit, most likely it's because that kind of character are usually plot device than actual character (as I see, anyway). An actual tier 0, IMO, would be extremely unique as a character without relying on the omnipotent thing, but instead used their omnipotent to further their characters. They could be a tsundere girl feeling shy even when knowing that a certain someone obviously love her, or a dog that just like to sleep around, or a really weird girl with insecurity problem. All of them would point in a really good question: "If they're omnipotent, why do they act like such?"

 

[Burstchaos]

It'd be almost impossible to create a good omnipotent character simply because conflict and personality are completely non-existent for them; he could make everyone be perfect without taking away things like free will; protect everyone or kill everyone without any concerns or consequences. The weird girl scenario wouldn't work because because they can't have any problems.

 

[Andykhang]

Yet, by the law of omnipotent, they will have problem. Omnipotent is a 2-sided coin, for everything to be possible meant that bad thing, worries and anxiety to be possible too. For that weird girl example, it's could be a problem of identity: If you could be all, then who exactly are you? The way we define ourself through the boundary of our own limitation just simply doesn't work on omnipotence being (or more accurately, work at we do), yet she's still tried to define herself that way. For their nature, it could work, but should it be? And would it fix her problem?

Edit: Remember one important thing: By nature, they will never follow our logic (or more accurately, never follow it the way we want to (though even more accurate is that they will follow it, until they don't,until they do)), no matter how highly we think of it.

 

[Burstchaos]

None of that applies to an omnipotent; the weird girl never has problem of identity because she can be both everyone and no one at the same time, she could be the weakest being in existence and the strongest at the same time. Even if everything is possible, she would still not have any problems simply because everything would be possible while at the same time only what she wants is possible.

 

[Andykhang]

And that's not a problem because? If people said that it isn't a problem, should you believe it, even when the person itself doesn't know anything about you despite thinking he does? It doesn't matter what you think of the problem, as your opinion literally doesn't matter to an omnipotent. As long as she think of it as a problem, it will manifested in many way. Remember, omnipotent mean that it will happen, no matter if she want it or not, or if you want it to be so or not (and don't said that it will be fake either...they're already beyond that)

 

[Burstchaos]

No, an omnipotent can do whatever they want no matter what; she can't think of it as a problem because then she would make it so that it isn't a problem. The only reason any problem would exist for anyone is because she lets it exist. An omnipotent is absolute; if they want to kill themselves permanently they could do so add yet when they want to return they could do so.

 

[Andykhang]

BY definition also, an Omnipotent can't do whatever they want. It's not like the problem would definitively goes away if she wished it so, especially if it's an omnipotent's problem, no matter how mundane it's to us or them. An omnipotent is an absolute sure, that mean an omnipotent's problem is also an absolute (not to mention they're beyond the concept of "absolute", so they also isn't)

Edit: And thus, this is a Paradox of Tier 0: An omnipotent could be completely... human, without a better way to said it, while still being an omnipotent. They could have all the thing in the world and still have problem (or because of)

 

[Andykhang]

...Welp, we aren't convicing each other here, so how about I said we're both correct, since a Tier 0 definitively would be so?

 

[Overlord775]

the problem is that you think a omnipotent as if it was a person but it's not, an omnipotent being is something beyond our understanding, it would be really arrogant to think you know what a being beyond the concept of thinking would think

 

[Andykhang]

It's also pretty arrogant to think that an omnipotent to not be a person though, hilariously enough. Point is, pretty much any kind of thinking worked for them, precisely because of how "beyond" our thought they're. Basically, my thinking about the Tier 0, and your thinking, are all pretty much valid, and so is the conrespondence characters. Thus, when you applied to the whole spectrum of tier 0, any and all thinking would be both arrogant and correct as the same time or not or in-between or etc...

Edit: That applied to writing too. Basically to write a tier 0, it's even more important to know their character, and accept them. Even if you don't know them fully, the effort alone shine through your work, as a short-of vision of your own, for the character you write.

 

[Andykhang]

In fact...why the hell, with all the potential and intrigue of a tier 0, would we make them so goddamn boring? Did they have some kind of "interesting" boundary they must adhere too in order to be look at by us, despite them being tier ******* 0? Do you really mean all that logical bullshit even when you're goddamn sure it only applied when they want it too, or it's because all the example of a tier 0 until now are all basically more plot device than character (heck, I could change all of them into rock and the plot doesn't affect abit), and you guy are basically stuck with that idea?

 

[Overlord775]

that's kinda the point of omnipotence, no limits, no weaknesses, absolute power

 

[Andykhang]

Yeah, but they're not God, or higher being, or anything else with constrain (Not like their power isn't less omnipotent, mind you). God cannot have weakness, higher being cannot goes low, but tier 0 can. Having no limit whatsoever mean they could gone anywhere and be anything regardless of title or ranking or sense of value or anything else, and so does their thinking. You could have an omnipotent fly just keep doing fly thing and it would still be perfectly valid, or heck, look at Azathoth. That no limit-ness also mean that there's precisely no limit whatsoever on their weakness. Absolute power create absolute problem, and it's not like they don't have weakness, it's just that their definition of weakness are sometimes more obscure and weirder than our, so much that we can't see it.

Don't look at them like God, or higher being, or anything that have ever being described before. They're absolutely, and definitively, their own thing.

 

[Andykhang]

To clarify though, it's not like your thinking are wrong either. They could be God, they could be higher being, and they could absolutely have no weakness. That is also completely valid, but, IMO, they're also absolutely boring. If anyway of writing their character work for them, why don't you write them to be interesting instead of keep entrenching in this kind of thinking, is my point.

 

[Andykhang]

Okay, time for another Paradox: A tier 0 with flaw actually have more omnipotents, than a tier 0 without flaw, simply because they have cut out the possibility that they have "weakness". Thus, a tier 0, in order to be stronger, in a traditional sense, need to be weaker instead, and control their omnipotent.