Parahuman verse upgrade

[ChaosSeether2999]

Proposal for upgrading Parahuman's top tiers – Scion and Eidolon as the most obvious - from High 6-A to High 4-C, the same as the Warrior Entity's Tier, or perhaps even to 4-A.

Whenever Scion is injured, he is repaired with matter from the Warrior Entity which is the same matter that is able to withstand the Entity thinking with the force of a supernova. It's already stated on his page that Scion can decide on how durable he wants to be, even against the G-Driver which didn't deal any real damage (this is all stated on Scion's profile under Regeneration and Durability). So it stands to reason the highest durability he could choose to be is High 4-C.

Since Eidolon was able to fully harm Scion once he started to refuel his Shard, as interlude 27 shows, I think Scion and Eidolon (with a full-powered High Priest) can be upgraded to High 4-C (Large Star level), along with any other characters who can also scale in either Attack Potency or Durability.

If not even higher, to 4-A (Multi-Solar System level) due to Wildbow stating that an Endbringer's core has the matter of a spiral galaxy guarding it - - with two different calcs on how durable that makes them coming to similar levels - - and - . Whilst dimensional layering is described as part of the process - https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/worm-quotes-and-wog-repository.294448/page-21#post-56646103 - Shards use energy and would need at least energy equivalent to all that matter to guard the cores. Eidolon’s High Priest powers them - - and when it was repowered could force Scion to retreat (Interlude 27).

To support my points; I gather the reason the verse below the Warrior Entity is capped near High 6-A is because of Phir Se's Time Bomb - https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:DMUA/Worm:_Behemoth_the_absolute_unit - was said to be able to destroy India and it dealt massive amounts of damage to the Endbringer Behemoth. The author of the series, Wildbow, has gone on to state here - - that Phir Se added something "temporal" to the attack so that it would have more power, implying it either increased the attack potency or ignored conventional durability to a degree. Similar in point is that the G-Driver - https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:DMUA/Worm:_The_Gold_Calc_Morning#The_F_Driver - couldn’t damage Scion or the Simurgh, only knock them backwards, despite being stronger than Phir Se’s bomb.

This my reasoning on why the high tiers can be upgraded.

 

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[Zingerpond]

The thing with the entities “tanking” a supernova’s equivalent of energy is that it’s not sent in a manner meant to harm and then caught with an unknown amount of surface area (full sized entities are ******* massive) and potentially with some use of powers. Considering how damaged the Thinker was by crashing into planet while not expecting to do so makes me think their flesh isn’t inherently that durable. Like Cauldron didn’t seem to need supernova levels of energy to harvest material for their vials.

Scions body isn’t made to be particularly durable, it doesn’t need to be since he just regenerates. And if he’s constantly hit by the same affect he tunes defenses taylor made for said attacks rather than just becoming more durable.

For offense as well Scion used fine tuned attacks with stilling, rather than just big hits, it’s only when he’s at he’s really angry he decides to blasts stuff with tonnes of energy, destroying continents. Similarly when Eidolon reaches for powers that might harm Scion he uses powers that warp reality rather than trying to just blast him with a ridiculous amount of energy.

Which when you think about it makes sense, energy is limited. If you have to burn stars worth of power in order to do something with just power, it’s probably a lot cheaper to use a more precise power instead. So Eidolon at least, probably never had, nor would be given a power allowing him to reach those tiers of power. While Scion probably could, but would never except at his absolutely most frustrated and self defeating.

 

[ChaosSeether2999]

The thing with the entities “tanking” a supernova’s equivalent of energy is that it’s not sent in a manner meant to harm and then caught with an unknown amount of surface area (full sized entities are ******* massive) and potentially with some use of powers. Considering how damaged the Thinker was by crashing into planet while not expecting to do so makes me think their flesh isn’t inherently that durable. Like Cauldron didn’t seem to need supernova levels of energy to harvest material for their vials.

Scions body isn’t made to be particularly durable, it doesn’t need to be since he just regenerates. And if he’s constantly hit by the same affect he tunes defenses taylor made for said attacks rather than just becoming more durable.

For offense as well Scion used fine tuned attacks with stilling, rather than just big hits, it’s only when he’s at he’s really angry he decides to blasts stuff with tonnes of energy, destroying continents. Similarly when Eidolon reaches for powers that might harm Scion he uses powers that warp reality rather than trying to just blast him with a ridiculous amount of energy.

Which when you think about it makes sense, energy is limited. If you have to burn stars worth of power in order to do something with just power, it’s probably a lot cheaper to use a more precise power instead. So Eidolon at least, probably never had, nor would be given a power allowing him to reach those tiers of power. While Scion probably could, but would never except at his absolutely most frustrated and self defeating.

The thing about Cauldron taking from the Thinker's body without needing a supernova is the pre-established factor of Scion being able to choose his flesh's durability can be used to explain this, since the Thinker and Warrior are fairly similar and being drain-dead, the former cannot choose its durability anymore. Regardless of surface area of the Entities, is one part gets hit by a supernova force and is unscathed, the rest can be attributed that durability as well.

Scion still has durability and attack potency other than what his stilling provides, as shown with calcs on his pages.

Even if Eidolon only used reality-warping attacks, there was still that energy amount being pulled by the Endbringers that when recharged went into those attacks.

The amount of energy the Entities have is incredibly vast, within the ballpark of 10^90 planet's worth.

Eidolon's Shard came from the Thinker Entity's body, meaning his power is amongst those unregulated.

 

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[ShadowWhoWalks]

Will have to disagree.

So it stands to reason the highest durability he could choose to be is High 4-C.

The Warrior entity has shed most of its shards before landing on Earth (otherwise he would dwarf the planet), keeping the most essential shards.

We don't know if the shards he kept allows him to tank a supernova through pure durability; the ability to regenerate would be more than sufficient.

The Thinker being distracted reconfiguring her precognition shards made her vulnerable. Maybe the Warrior found the shards required for tanking a supernova unnecessary since Capes aren't supposed to recieve such power. We wouldn't know.

So it stands to reason the highest durability he could choose to be is High 4-C.

Since Eidolon was able to fully harm Scion once he started to refuel his Shard, as interlude 27 shows, I think Scion and Eidolon (with a full-powered High Priest) can be upgraded to High 4-C (Large Star level), along with any other characters who can also scale in either Attack Potency or Durability.

Assuming Scion can make himself High 4-C, which is a big assumption, what evidence do we have that Scion made himself High 4-C against Eidolon specifically?

The attacks Eidolon did are:

• Matter creation to create a large ball of carbon directly in Scion's ear canal until it was a hundred feet across, with Scion's flesh stretching until the ball dropped. Eidolon tried the attack again several times but Scion dodged.
• Turn himself into a living field of distorted space to dig into the abrasions Legend made. Scion responded by destroying 9/10 of his form and scattering the rest.
• After refueling he used an erasure power, making him lose a hand. Scion teleported to an other earth when targeted again.
• Eidolon continuously pulled cliff faces from an other earth, replacing them as they get destroyed.
• Eidolon shoved part of scion into an other reality. Scion teleported when targeted again.
• Eidolon used spatial distortion to rend Scion.

Afterwards, Scion used his precog to whisper words that would stun Eidolon.

Eidolon used durability bypassing attacks. And even if we could calculate the energy required for these durability bypassing attacks, they don't correspond to Eidolon's or Scion's attack power or durability. Evidence is missing that Eidolon can for example do a High 4-C telekinesis attack.

 

[ChaosSeether2999]

Will have to disagree.


The Warrior entity has shed most of its shards before landing on Earth (otherwise he would dwarf the planet), keeping the most essential shards.

We don't know if the shards he kept allows him to tank a supernova through pure durability; the ability to regenerate would be more than sufficient.

The Thinker being distracted reconfiguring her precognition shards made her vulnerable. Maybe the Warrior found the shards required for tanking a supernova unnecessary since Capes aren't supposed to recieve such power. We wouldn't know.


Assuming Scion can make himself High 4-C, which is a big assumption, what evidence do we have that Scion made himself High 4-C against Eidolon specifically?

The attacks Eidolon did are:

• Matter creation to create a large ball of carbon directly in Scion's ear canal until it was a hundred feet across, with Scion's flesh stretching until the ball dropped. Eidolon tried the attack again several times but Scion dodged.
• Turn himself into a living field of distorted space to dig into the abrasions Legend made. Scion responded by destroying 9/10 of his form and scattering the rest.
• After refueling he used an erasure power, making him lose a hand. Scion teleported to an other earth when targeted again.
• Eidolon continuously pulled cliff faces from an other earth, replacing them as they get destroyed.
• Eidolon shoved part of scion into an other reality. Scion teleported when targeted again.
• Eidolon used spatial distortion to rend Scion.

Afterwards, Scion used his precog to whisper words that would stun Eidolon.

Eidolon used durability bypassing attacks. And even if we could calculate the energy required for these durability bypassing attacks, they don't correspond to Eidolon's or Scion's attack power or durability. Evidence is missing that Eidolon can for example do a High 4-C telekinesis attack.

I will agree that Eidolon being 4-C himself is unlikely, though I would also maintain that there is a connection between even the strength of his reality rending abilities and the full strength of his Shard.

I do think that despite becoming smaller, the Entity wouldn't lose on its overall durability. Even if it did, when shedding its Shards it was reduced to "ten-thousandth of a percent of their original size" (0.01% if online rounding up I used is correct), which can still put a weakened Warrior Entity and by extension Scion into downscaled 4-C. And like you said, we don't know if it was a specific shard that enabled them to tank the supernova-level thought.