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Percy Jackson Speed Upgrade
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He's High Hypersonic in the profile rn, so blitzing bullets would apply for the current speed as well. Prob needs a nerf.
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She isn't. They were portrayed as on par with each other, and if anything Percy was always said to be much stronger since he's a child of the Big Three
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He needs a different key for Heroes of Olympus where he actually has High Hypersonic feats.
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Yeah, I doubt 12 year old Percy was reaching Mach 81
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I agree. It's clear 12 years old Percy is far weaker than his 16-17 years old self
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It's not like he got a dozen times faster between the books, he even points out how his swordfighting got worse in Mark of Athena.
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Yeah, but it peaked in The Last Olympian, so he most likely did grow from his first book to his fith.
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Maybe from the Last Olympian. He's still far better than his 12 years old self
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He got far stronger from Lightning Thief to Last Olympian, and then got even stronger because time skipped forward and he kept training and fighting strong opponents. So while it isn’t realistic, the feats are there to show he got at least dozens of times faster, as he consistently reacts to lightning timers.
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Did he say worse? I thought he said it just didn't improve lol
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Definitely a lot stronger between the first and fifth, I just don't see the big difference going into the second series.
I'll also point out that someone faster than Percy considers a horse a bit over Mach 1 to be fast as hell. >_>
I'll also point out that someone faster than Percy considers a horse a bit over Mach 1 to be fast as hell. >_>
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oh yeah, I keep forgetting
Arion, stated to be the fastest land creature, is only 800 mph.
That’s kind of a hard oof
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Peak Human to Subsonic for the verse confirmed
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I unironically think that that was the intention. It's not what ended up happening with the lightning feat, but it seems like the authorial intent.
Could the lightning feats be outliers?
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There are quite a few of them, so it’s more bad power scaling from the author than outlier.
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Okay, so just unintentional wank lmao pretty cool.
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This is just Riordan having extremely inconsistent writing (which makes sense considering it’s for kids). Encleadus caught cloud to ground lightning off his spear and deflected it (which only yielded Mach 3 but whatever), Hermes’ boots travelled 70 million meters in an hour
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For lightning, it's simple enough that the demigod's powers aren't as fast as the real thing, not a stretch and makes it consistent.
The boots, if you mean Tartarus, it could just be that Annabeth was wrong on how deep it is.
The boots, if you mean Tartarus, it could just be that Annabeth was wrong on how deep it is.
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Carter sucker punches Percy across a swamp then Percy comes back and dominates him in swordplay but he “beats” Percy by tying him up with magic rope.
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So Carter actuallly is comparable to Percy while he’s in water, which is quite insane.
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It’s cloud to ground lightning..
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Summoned by demigod power magic, it wasn't natural from what I recall.
It doesn't have to be as fast as the real thing, especially if it's so problematic compared to the speeds the author seems to intend for them. It's not like slow lightning is rare in fiction.
It doesn't have to be as fast as the real thing, especially if it's so problematic compared to the speeds the author seems to intend for them. It's not like slow lightning is rare in fiction.
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Same lightning as Zeus’s
Cloud to ground lightning is always natural and always MHS+ unless proven otherwise iirc
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Zeus is far more powerful, so maybe they just can't pull it down as fast, who knows. ¯\(ツ)/¯
I don't know the wiki's stance, but if it contradicts the other feats to this extent, then it being slower definitely the reasonable assumption to make. I don't recall anything near it from the demigods, the centaurs and pegasi have some super speed warp feats, the latter seem faster than Airon, but how it works is a bit unclear, and I don't think it ever translated to combat speed.
I don't know the wiki's stance, but if it contradicts the other feats to this extent, then it being slower definitely the reasonable assumption to make. I don't recall anything near it from the demigods, the centaurs and pegasi have some super speed warp feats, the latter seem faster than Airon, but how it works is a bit unclear, and I don't think it ever translated to combat speed.
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Carter is listed now as "At most 6-C" by diwnscaling from Percy. Carter also said many times that even when he thought he was in shape, Percy just outclassed him. Besides, Percy tanked his Horus Fist with no damage
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Bro imagine you unleash your ultimate attack only to realize the main character your fighting alread completed their main arc...
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That Horus punch wasn't Carter's strongest move though
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Doubt it, but it gives off the same "oh sh*t" energy,
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Anyways here’s a new thread https://vsbattles.com/threads/percy-jackson-revisions-abilities.131675/#post-4498958
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It was only a brief scuffle as a result of a miscommunication, the only thing that really came out of it was Carter launching Percy over the horizon (due to positioning mentioned in the book Percy would've landed in the ocean) with the Fist of Horus and Percy returning a short while later, which gives him a decent underwater travel speed feat.
Did the calc and it came up with a wall level result, but that calc was done assuming air resistance was negligible, which is most definitely wouldn't be in that scenario.
Even still it wouldn't even be Percy's best durability feat, its up there (maybe top 5) but doesn't really add anything to the conversation.
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Could probably get calced tbh
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The whole Hermes shoe calc took multiple quotes disgustingly out of context.
Its whole logic is based on the fact that Percy and Annabeth fell for 9 days before reaching Tartarus and that Kronos in TLT had to react to Grover's flying shoes traveling that same distance when they entered Tartarus in order to attempt to suck them into it.
Anybody who has so much as read the books could point out multiple issues with that rationale and because I have the time I'm going to list them all.
1. Percy and Annabeth didn't fall for 9 days, she was referencing that the poet Hesiod:
"Nine days. As she fell, Annabeth thought about Hesiod, the old Greek poet who'd speculated it would take nine days to fall from earth to Tartarus. She hoped Hesiod was wrong. She'd lost track of how long she and Percy had been falling - hours? A day?"
2. There's no reason to assume that the shoes fell the distance that Percy and Annabeth did as they fell in a completely different entrance that was in Rome, not in the underworld. Even if you factor the distance to Hades given in SoN and subtract that from the distance Percy and Annabeth fell, we still don't know how deep that section of Tartarus goes.
3. There's no reason to assume that Kronos reacted to the shoe's travelling that distance as he was in a scattered form that did not reside in a single place within Tartarus and would not need to see the shoes to react as he is capable of sensing beings in the mortal world.
4. The shoes had never shown comparable speeds before in any of the several fights they were used in the book prior. The value calc'ed would be an outlier on principle of it being orders of magnitudes faster than its best feat.
The fact that Percy and Annabeth were able to keep up with them on foot should be enough to debunk the calc.
As for Riordan being inconsistent, the lighting reaction feats aren't even outliers considering all have in universe explanations.
Percy fails to react to lightning more than once and Jason never explicitly reacted to lightning.
The feat used to give most of the verse "Massively Hypersonic" speeds never mentions Jason reacting to the lightning:
"The second spirit let loose a bolt of lightning, but Jason's blade absorbed the charge."
The fact that Jason was subconsciously using his powers to direct attacks away from himself even with amnesia and that he can control lightning already alone casts enough doubt on the feat as it is, but the fact that Percy couldn't react to lightning from further away when there was a clear wind-up on the attack back in TTC and still couldn't react to it again in his fight with Jason later on (who is evenly matched with Percy in terms of reaction speed) debunks the calc outright.
I should also note the distances mentioned in the calc of 21 meters is also bogus as the 2 Venti attacking Jason charged him at the same time, the first of which he cut with his sword, the second being the one who then launched lightning at him, meaning the distance was closer to 5 meters than 20.
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1. Yeah I agree with this, I thought I was missing something on the Herme's feat so I just kind of accepted it
2. Yeah then I agree. Subsonic Demigod reactions then?
Edit: Could you post this in the CRT, or can I copy and paste it there, because it is important.
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