Pochita (Chainsaw Man) vs Susie (Deltarune) (GRACE OVER)

[Kellex]

Was looking for opponents to throw at Susie, then I saw the art below... yep.

RULES:
Both are 7-B
Starting distance: 10 Meters
Speed is equalized
SBA​

SOURCE OF ART	SOURCE OF ART
AP: Upscales from 15.94 Megatons of TNT, Higher with chainsaws Speed: ~66x Perception Speed Lifting Strength: 337303253510 N	AP: 6.3 Megatons, higher with Rude Buster and Morale Boost, far higher with Red/Dual Buster Range: Higher with magic Lifting Strength: 1.20429915e12N
CHAINSAW DEVIL (7): @Steve1775, @Anonymous_Learner, @Bruhtelho, @GodEarh206, @Arkenis, @Epiccheev, @Delusionaltx2	AXE DEVIL (3): @LittleGuy99, @Qurbonboev, @Poketmonsrs

...or incon:

 

[Kellex]

CRAP I DIDN'T MEAN TO POST IT EARLY

EDIT: It doesn't have tags, so this is great....

EDIT 2: Fixed!

 

[AThe1412]

CRAP I DIDN'T MEAN TO POST IT EARLY

EDIT: It doesn't have tags, so this is great....

You know that you can still add tags after posting right?

 

[Kellex]

You know that you can still add tags after posting right?

Oh my god I am so ******* dumb
Thanks for telling me!

 

[LittleGuy99]

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[koopa3144]

So, Pochita is a good bit stronger, and since his chainsaws can easily cut through comparable characters, Susie's not gonna fare well if she gets hit by them. Susie's soul attacks do likely bypass Pochita's regen and dura, which is a big advantage for her since I don't believe she'd have a good way around it otherwise. Her best bet would be to try to stay at a range until Pochita goes down, since fighting up close runs the constant risk of her getting slashed in half. I'm kinda leaning Pochita rn since Susie is much more likely to go in close than keep her range.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Susie's soul attacks do likely bypass Pochita's regen and dura, which is a big advantage for her since I don't believe she'd have a good way around it otherwise

Soul damage does bypass it(IIRC verse never mentions souls at all, so they are kinda lacking in that regard).

I'm kinda leaning Pochita rn since Susie is much more likely to go in close than keep her range.

Don't think so. She did jump on Knight, but only after it receiving respectable amounts of damage(that amount would kill Pochita easily). In fight with Sound of Justice, Kris and Susie preferred to keep distance. And Susie isn't dumb, she would see sharp chainsaws and def would try to keep distance

 

[Epiccheev]

Don't forget Pochita can just use a grab command with his chains (wich are essentially tendril like limbs) or throw his heart to move.

 

[AyOgUyS]

leaning towards pochita ngl

 

[Qurbonboev]

Don't forget Pochita can just use a grab command with his chains (wich are essentially tendril like limbs) or throw his heart to move.

Speed at which he throws his heart is equal to his combat speed, so closing distance with this method wouldn't work

 

[GodEarh206]

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[Epiccheev]

How many hits from soul attacks would kill Pochita here?

 

[AyOgUyS]

How many hits from soul attacks would kill Pochita here?

he has 90 HP

 

[Qurbonboev]

How many hits from soul attacks would kill Pochita here?

(Almost) Everyone would have 90hp(same as chapter 1 Kris). Chapter 1 Susie can kill such soul in 4 hits, Chapter 2 Berdly in 3 hits. Chapter 4 Susie is obviously much stronger than both of them.

 

[Epiccheev]

So one-shot?

 

[AyOgUyS]

So one-shot?

at most 4 shots

 

[Qurbonboev]

So one-shot?

It's technically not. But it being oneshot vs kill in 2-3 hits won't change matchup drastically. Susie can spam attacks pretty fast.
Pochita wouldn't notice that something is wrong with his soul, and physically her attacks aren't that threatening to him(x2.5 disadvantage, not a chance to surmount his regen), so it would be came a huge surprise to him when his soul gets shattered

 

[koopa3144]

Don't think so. She did jump on Knight, but only after it receiving respectable amounts of damage(that amount would kill Pochita easily). In fight with Sound of Justice, Kris and Susie preferred to keep distance. And Susie isn't dumb, she would see sharp chainsaws and def would try to keep distance

Fair although Pochita can pretty easily cover the starting distance so unless Susie is actively moving back to make space between them, he should be able to get within striking distance of her. I also feel like if Susie sees an opponent rushing at her she's much more likely to try and match them in a clash considering her personality.

 

[AyOgUyS]

Fair although Pochita can pretty easily cover the starting distance so unless Susie is actively moving back to make space between them, he should be able to get within striking distance of her. I also feel like if Susie sees an opponent rushing at her she's much more likely to try and match them in a clash considering her personality.

Is that Potential Man?

 

[Arkenis]

Unless we're giving CSM a new key for his Yoru fight, this will be a stomp.

• Limited Invulnerability (Should be same as Kris, whose SOUL and body becomes invulnerable for a few seconds when damaged)

What does Pochita do against this?

• Healing (With UltimateHeal)
• Minor Healing (With the AbsorbAx. Susie can recover 10% of her maximum HP by attacking an enemy)
• Enhanced Healing (With BetterHeal. Susie healing improves enough to completely cure the wounds of her allies. With DualHeal. Susie and Ralsei use their healing powers together enhanced with Kris's SOUL)

How good are these?

• Limited Damage Reduction (With the Shadow Mantle. Damage dealt by enemies with the Dark/Star element is reduced by 66%)

Is the 66% applied literally in matches?

• Possibly Minor Accelerated Development (Battle; Physical Stats - In the fight with the Knight, the Delta Warriors inflicted very little damage to it at the start, but as the battle continued, the damage they inflicted grew steadily)

This may be an issue with it she can bleed him more and more over time.

 

[AyOgUyS]

Unless we're giving CSM a new key for his Yoru fight, this will be a stomp.


What does Pochita do against this?


How good are these?


Is the 66% applied literally in matches?


This may be an issue with it she can bleed him more and more over time.

"Limited Invulnerability (Should be same as Kris, whose SOUL and body becomes invulnerable for a few seconds when damaged)"

 

[Arkenis]

"Limited Invulnerability (Should be same as Kris, whose SOUL and body becomes invulnerable for a few seconds when damaged)"

How does he deal with it?

 

[Qurbonboev]

What does Pochita do against this?

It's only for seconds. And if obviously wouldn't help if he cuts her head.

How good are these?

It's Mid-Low(can heal almost all hp though)

Is the 66% applied literally in matches?

Not relevant. Chainsaw man doesn't have Dark/Star attacks.

This may be an issue with it she can bleed him more and more over time.

Shown only in fight with Knight(and it's only possibly).
Wouldn't matter anyways, since he wouldn't survive more than several hits

 

[koopa3144]

Is that Potential Man?

He may be Potential Man but he's my Potential Man

What does Pochita do against this?

For the Limited Invulnerability, its only for a short time after getting hit. Pochita's a good bit stronger and since his chainsaws can easily cut through Susie with a single solid blow so it prob wont come into play.

This may be an issue with it she can bleed him more and more over time.

Her AD prob also wont come into play since the fight isnt gonna last crazy long since either Susie dura negs Pochita to death in a few blows or Pochita cuts though her after closing distance.

 

[Arkenis]

It's only for seconds. And if obviously wouldn't help if he cuts her head.

Unless she's like super passive, why wouldn't she use hypnosis to stat reduction, use spatial attacks to attack from distance, again hypnosis to sleep, or just fire off energy attacks, create cages, or reflect with her ax?

Rest is fine.

 

[SnakesCity]

How does he deal with it?

If he hits Susie once non-lethally then his usual method of just going ham on his opponent doesn't work and she's allowed time to back and re-position herself for an attack, rude buster or a heal. On the topic of BetterHeal, in battle it's pretty similar to how Ralsei's healing once though it requires more TP (the TP requirement also lowers gradually as she uses it).

Also im not sure how we treat Rude Buster in regards to the duraneg stuff, since non-DR opponents are assumed to have 90HP and Rude Buster can easily deal more than 90 in a single hit.

 

[LittleGuy99]

Susie FRA
Invulnerability is very useful even if it lasts only a few seconds, her attacks that ignore distance and multiple magic axes would defeat Pochita in a few hits, and she can heal non-stop with items and magic.
I don't know much about Pochita so I don't know if using S-Action is a possibility but that's there

 

[koopa3144]

Invulnerability is very useful even if it lasts only a few seconds

For the Limited Invulnerability, its only for a short time after getting hit. Pochita's a good bit stronger and since his chainsaws can easily cut through Susie with a single solid blow so it prob wont come into play.

she can heal non-stop with items and magic.

Her healing isnt gonna help Susie here since a soild slash from his chainsaws is gonna leave her in a state her healing cant recover her from.

 

[LittleGuy99]

Her healing isnt gonna help Susie here since a soild slash from his chainsaws is gonna leave her in a state her healing cant recover her from.

Unlikely to give Susie a good hit, this Susie is the same one who can easily dodge and no hit the bullet hell of every enemy in every chapter so far, including The Roaring Knight and Gerson. Additionally she can block and deflect attacks with her axe, further preventing the possibility of receiving lethal damage

 

[Qurbonboev]

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Hypnosis won't be useful. Stat reduction won't reduce stat disadvantage that much, and putting Pochita to sleep(with his goods stamina feats) would be pretty long process. Cages are too slow to pull off. Rest are valid ways to win.

Fair although Pochita can pretty easily cover the starting distance so unless Susie is actively moving back to make space between them, he should be able to get within striking distance of her. I also feel like if Susie sees an opponent rushing at her she's much more likely to try and match them in a clash considering her personality.

She prolly would try close combat clash first, given what Pochita does. And result of it pretty much decides fight. If Susie manages to dodge his attacks and disengage safely(LS advantage helps greatly) or manages to get off with only severed arm(or less destructive damage) she can win fight by attacking from distance. I would say that she can do it. She was able to dodge close attack from similarly fast opponent in full darkness , sneak attacks + danmaku feats.

 

[koopa3144]

Gonna reply in like 3-4 hours when I get back to a computer.

 

[VoidGoji]

Pretty sure one slash from Pochers woyld bisect Susie. Those things cut clean through Devils comparable to himself. It's really just a question of "will Susie spam the right attacks before Pochita lands a clean hit?"

 

[koopa3144]

Unlikely to give Susie a good hit, this Susie is the same one who can easily dodge and no hit the bullet hell of every enemy in every chapter so far, including The Roaring Knight and Gerson.

While she is good at avoiding bullet patterns (I'd personally argue that it's mostly the soul's skills since it's the one doing the dodging), I'd say that those skills aren't enough to say the Pochita isn't gonna score a single hit with one of his 4 chainsaw arms when he gets close considering his insanely large skill and experience advantage when it comes too cqc. Even if she could somehow perfectly avoid getting hit, if he needs to, he can unearth the ground under her to throw her off or lasso her in with his chains to get a quick slash off before she can break free.

Additionally she can block and deflect attacks with her axe, further preventing the possibility of receiving lethal damage

Blocking with her axe might actually be a bad move since Pochita is just gonna slice through it and leave her defenseless.

If Susie manages to dodge his attacks and disengage safely(LS advantage helps greatly) or manages to get off with only severed arm(or less destructive damage) she can win fight by attacking from distance.

I don't think Susie has the Stamina to tank losing and arm, she isnt furture Kris. Even if she did survive a close encounter with Pochita and learn his saws can easily cut through her, I think it would 100% more in-character for her to stand her ground than turn and run away to create distance.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Pochita isn't gonna score a single hit with one of his 4 chainsaw arms when he gets close considering his insanely large skill and experience advantage when it comes too cqc.

I forgot that Pochita has 4 chainsaw arms. It probably would make Susie wary from cqc from the start.

Blocking with her axe might actually be a bad move since Pochita is just gonna slice through it and leave her defenseless.

Depends on where it lands(it won't break axe head, but would break it handle). Even assuming that Chapter 4 Susie doesn't have any other axes in the storage(we can store pretty big amount of them), she still can make her weird spawning on top of you attacks(or maybe it's just extended range) with bare hands.

I don't think Susie has the Stamina to tank losing and arm, she isnt furture Kris. Even if she did survive a close encounter with Pochita and learn his saws can easily cut through her, I think it would 100% more in-character for her to stand her ground than turn and run away to create distance.

Superhuman stamina(for fighting for hours without rest and and food, obviously less impressive than Pochita but still good enough) + supernatural willpower.
Standing her ground would prolly be in-character for start of chapter 1 Susie. But she gained far more combat experience and new friends(to whom she wants to come back whole). After seeing that beating K. round in straight fight wouldn't be impossible, she immediately changed strategy. Chapter 4 Susie probably wouldn't even try to engage monster with 4 chainsaws. And even if she did engage, losing arm or fingers would def persuade her from CQC

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

following

 

[Kellex]

Bump

 

[Qurbonboev]

Bump

Voting Susie

 

[Kellex]

Voting Susie

Vote counted

Susie FRA

Missed this, but still vote counted

 

[GodEarh206]

What could possibly stop a Pochita from charging straight in, beheading it, and devouring it?

 

[Qurbonboev]

What could possibly stop a Pochita from charging straight in, beheading it, and devouring it?

Matchup being speed equal, and Susie being good at dodging. She doesn't need to engage in CQC at all to win