Possible Steven Universe downgrades.

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:LordXcano/Laser_Light_Cannon_Energy_Output_(Revised)

TL;DR There was a flaw in the original Calc which was corrected by Cano. The original result was Country level+ (I think) and the new one is Island level+.

Most Gems, Gem Monsters and Fusions would be downscaled to Large Island as Jasper destroyed a wall that took 4~5 hits from the Laser Light Cannon.

Lapis Lazali, Alexendrite and Malachite would probably stay at High 6-A and Ruby/Sapphire/Steven will stay at 8-A.

Its a shame.

 

[Antoniofer]

I have no problem to downgrade the Gems to Island+, if this is the one calc that support the stats so we need to do it (assuming that core explotion > Light Cannons)

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Antoniofer Actually the Gems would be downgraded to Large Island level

 

[Antoniofer]

^Even better

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Actually...now that i think about it shouldnt they be At least Large Island level? After Jasper tanked that explosion she only had a few scrapes and was ready to keep fighting.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Well....Jasper did look like it didn't bother her much....somewhat.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

I was thinking At Least Lage Island myself, forgot to put it in the OP. Though didn't Jasper break Stevens Shield in "Alone At Sea" or did it just break because she hit Steven?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

WAIT WHAT? EXPOSITION??!?

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Yeah but Steven had like a small shield tho?

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

^ Ill rewatch the episode to make sure.

Alo sorry if I spoiled it @Weekly ;w;

 

[Antoniofer]

@Dark, I think that she just pushed him from sideway, the shield is strong put Steven hasn't much force to face Jasper.

@WB, what "EXPOSITION" are you talking about?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I havent seen any of the new episodes, i didnt know that happened

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

I havent seen any of the new episodes, i didnt know that happened

You've got a lot to catch up on, dude.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I know, i THOUGHT i had them recorded, but someone deleted them from my dvr...

 

[Antoniofer]

I havent seen any of the new episodes, i didnt know that happened

There is a SU Bomb until August 12, even the creators (Matt Bursomething) said that we should avoid the spoilers, so be careful

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Ok i just watched the episode and noticed to things

1. Jasper didnt really break Stsven's shield, she just swatted Stsven out of the way and it dissapeared on its own

2. Lapis may have weather manipulation?

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Yeah I just rewatched the episode and noticed that (Possible Steven durability upgrade?). Also theirs a throw away scene where Lapis manipulates Orange Juice so she may have liquid manipulation in general.

I noticed the possible Weather Manipulation too.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Eh, i doubt that would be a durability upgrade, Jasper didnt really hit him or anything, she just pushed him away. Got a link or anything for the orange juice thing?

So should tha be added to her profile? What does everyone else think?

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Yeah it's not an upgrade or anything IMHO.

For the liquid and weather one, i suppose we could. It's likely that the liquid one would be used in a combative way like say, Katara from Avatar (though i would like to see that in show. Could be a good hax to have to control the liquid of even inside living beings ^^ ).

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

http://i.imgur.com/VBDMsV1.jpg

It started arond 2:50 minutes in, at least on the ******************* player for it.

 

[Antoniofer]

I'm not sure about the weather manipulation, I don't remeber much details right now, but I remember the juice thing (cuz little time ago I saw a gif), apparently Lapis (and Malachite) are able to control water-based liquids

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

It works. Tbh, I didn't notice it the first time.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I'm not sure about the weather manipulation, I don't remeber much details right now

The weather changed from a bright, sunny day to a rainstorm in a few seconds because Lapis was in distress over Jasper

 

[WeeklyBattles]

You know, with all of the upcoming episodes, should there be an SU discussion thread?

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

@Weekly: If one wants to make an SU discussion, sure.

However, i think we should get back to what this thread is about. IMO, i don't mind this downgrade as Xcano had pointed out a flaw in Totally not Cat's original calc. So i'm fine with setting the ones whose tiers are High 6-B down to High 6-C....or at least High 6-C if we go by what Weekly said earlier on Jasper.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Oh yeah, sorry, kinda got off topic, but yeah At least High 6-C sounds alright to me

 

[Antoniofer]

High 6-C or At least High 6-C sounds good, maybe the first only for Amy and Pearl

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Wasn't Amethyst stated to only be a bit weaker than Garnet? IMO it should At least for all of them.

 

[LordXcano]

Yeah Jasper definitely doesn't scale to Steven's shield, not to mention it'd be a huge outlier since most feats for the Gems are Town/City level with Large Island level already beind a high-end.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

@Xcano: That's not counting those like Alexandrite, Malachite, and Lapis with her powers right?

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

So it seems people agree with the downgrades, should they be applied now?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I'd wait for Ever, he might have some input. Since this is pretty much gonna be accepted though i call dibs on remaking Garnet vs Whitebeard

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

How 'bout both Ever AND Azathoth? @Weekly

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Oh yeah, him too, just hold off on the downgrades until they give their input just to be safe, then feel free to add them.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

I'll try to go get them. Once they've made their input, any of y'all can do the appropriate changes.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Alrighty then, I can wait on them.

 

[LordXcano]

@Xcano: That's not counting those like Alexandrite, Malachite, and Lapis with her powers right?

Yeah, excluding those.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

So lowest tier Gems (Ruby, Sapphire, Steven, etc.) stay where they are, the regular Gems go from Large Country to Large Island (superior to several Laser Light Cannons), and the highest tiers (Lapis, Malachite, Alexandrite, etc.) stay where they are?

Seems fine.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

@Azathoth: Yeah it's just the ones who are currently High 6-B that's being downgraded to High 6-C (or perhaps at least High 6-C if we go by Weekly's comment from much earlier). The rest inbetween stay as is. *Nods*

 

[The_Everlasting]

Yeah, this seems fine to me. I'll be willing to make the changes if nobody else wants to.

This is also consistent with the Crystal Gems fighting off a sentient island off-screen in one of the earliest episodes (I believe it was "Cat Fingers").