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Prototype top tier upgrade

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>Alex would have died

Even more people agreeing that Alex wasn't killed by the nuke, which is the most trivial thing people choose to argue over here.

Supreme Hunter regenerated from his own puddle of biomass after being beaten by Mercer. Mercer himself was already moving his biomass around, and he consumed a bird with it.

Obviously he was alive.

"I have say that Alex Mercer only survived the indirect impact of the nuke back in Prototype 1. You don't give any evidence to show that Alex Mercer was at the direct epicenter of the nuke itself. Making your claims as liable to interpretation and opinion based stuff."

Nobody said he was at the epicenter.

>"Your bias is certainly noted"

I'm the most knowledgable person on the verse, so your false opinions and accusations aren't welcome.
 
He would've died based on what evidence?

Surely not the evidence that shows his scattered biomass clearly moving or that of the parasite that fed on his body who regenerated from his own puddle.

This is derailing over no good purpose.
 
@UMR

Ender: "How about the fact that people can use headcanon to justify their own explanation of a feat in particular?

Also, I do seemingly recall someone mention the epicenter earlier in the thread so I suspect something.

Even someone who is knowledgeable in Prototype verse can still be wrong and your pride in yourself is certainly remind me of someone.

Hmmm I wonder who it is. In any case, no offense, but if the accusations are true and spot on, then it is time we should look into the Prototype verse as a whole as we not giving special treatment to any series (Prototype included) as this has gone far too long now."
 
Saying he would die is headcanon as well. It's unknown if he would have died, but similar characters (superme hunter as UMR brought up) have survived far worse.

Not trying to justify that he was turned to paste though.

Also, this thread is starting to get heated.
 
If this thread has proven anything it's that Matt accepts cutscene feats regarding nukes in this game as god, despite them being mathematically debunked. He also quote mines (not taking my entire quote, but taking bits and pieces so they sound similar but they aren't thus taking them entirely out of context). I've listed every notable feat with context that you claim you don't ignore but you do, and you continue to derail the thread with ad hominems and pointless topics.

Are you done being a nuisance yet?
 
@ByAsura

Ender: "Are you sure about that? To claim these characters have survived worser than a nuke seems to be far too speculative for my taste. Your assumption on how you perceive on the lore of Prototype. It is quite frankly easy to make their own opinion based on what they think of those feats without bothering to look into the context itself."
 
I didn't say far worse than the nuke, please look at the context. I meant far worse than the injuries he sustained from the nuke. The Supreme Hunter was turned into a puddle, Mercer was turned into a mass of organs, which was still moving.
 
@UMR

Can you stop being dismissive, confrontational, and aggressive like you always are in every thread? Thank you.

Nothing has been mathematically debunked. What has been proven is that the Tier High 7-C feat is an outlier. Nothing in either game is remotely close to that scale.
 
Let's downgrade everyone to 8-C because Alex can barely survive a nuke /s

Clearly this is just an anti-feat.
 
@UMR Still, it was actually moving, beating, and somewhat intact. The Supreme Hunter was literally liquid.
 
Therefir said:
Let's downgrade everyone to 8-C because Alex can barely survive a nuke /s
Clearly this is just an anti-feat.
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Again, it is an 8-A feat on its high-end.

Also, Low Ends, or "Anti-Feats" (Still hate that term) absolutely matter. In this case, it is the High 7-C feat which is an unreasonable High-End, and everything else matches far more in line with the story and other feats.
 
I find it so ironic that you tell me to stop doing all the things you're doing, as you're doing them, in an attempt to save face. Please grow up.

"Nothing has been mathematically debunked."

>Comments how I actually had to mathematically prove the game itself depicted the nuke at the wrong potency

>Comments how using the ISL for the nuke actually contradicts in-game feats

"Nothing has been mathematically debunked."

All of a sudden the game isn't allowed to have a progression of power outside of its tier.
 
@ByAsura

Ender: "That is a result of them not consuming biomass to regen. Being reduced to a puddle require them to consume biomass like the humans and ect, to reform their own body. Alex Mercer consume soldiers, civilians, and the list goes on how many victims he consume over the years. Also they just need any genetic material to regen anyway."
 
You haven't mathematically debunked everything. You have done no calculations.

If we are wanting to talk mathematically, then I can argue that the High 7-C feat is even more of an unarguable outlier because it is outnumbered by every other feat in the series.

The game doesn't depict the nuke in the wrong potency, Alex is simply not as strong as you claim. Ever thought of that? He is 8-A at max, being generous. So far only two 8-A feats have been shown, so even that is generous and high-level.

Nobody is denying its power, but even the God-Tiers of Prototype 2 aren't City level. 8-A is the top tier of the verse.
 
I do not have an opinion about this, but I would appreciate if Matthew and UMR would please try to calm down, and be as tolerant, patient, and polite towards each other as they can. This is not a sufficiently important topic to get upset about.
 
"You haven't mathematically debunked everything. You have done no calculations."

Please scroll up, they're in the comments.

Ignoring the outlier nuke feat (That's what it is)

Alex has one casual 8-A feat, and defeating and consuming Greene who is tier 7 by her own. He's also the weaponized version of Greene's virus, who's had her abilities for decades, being described as "teeming with the virus" and one-shotting Alex casually, which means she's already multiple times stronger than him.

"The game doesn't depict the nuke in the wrong potency"

It does unless you seriously believe a 75 kiloton nuke can level manhattan in its entirety, in which case you don't know nukes.

"He is 8-A at max, being generous."

With max downplay and considering no higher feats but all lower feats.

"but even the God-Tiers of Prototype 2 aren't City level"

List of people who said anybody was city level:
 
Veloxt1r0kore said:
@ByAsura
Ender: Snip
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That's not the point, the point is The Supreme Hunter has survived far worse than the injuries Alex has sustained.
 
"Please scroll up, they're in the comments."

Yes, and it was immediately pointed out to be wrong. The 8-C end is incorrect, done to disvalidate the feat, which is actually one of Alex' best.

"Alex has one casual 8-A feat"

Not casual.

"and defeating and consuming Greene who is tier 7 by her own"

Outlier.

"He's also the weaponized version of Greene's virus, who's had her abilities for decades, being described as "teeming with the virus" and one-shotting Alex casually, which means she's already multiple times stronger than him"

Becoming stronger than yourself doesn't mean he is High 7-C even while stronger, because even the strongest in the series are only Tier 8.

"It does unless you seriously believe a 75 kiloton nuke can level manhattan in its entirety, in which case you don't know nukes."

It would destroy the majority of Manhattan and render all of NYC uninhabitable, that's for sure.

"With max downplay and considering no higher feats but all lower feats."

What you mean is not considering one higher feat and considering all other feats in the series, rather than closing your eyes to everything we ever see every character in the series do ever, in favor of a single feat.

Again, definition of Outlier. It fits it like a glove.
 
@UMR

Ender: "You gonna need to prove that Elizabeth Green and Alex Mercer has consistent Tier 7 and 8 feats as to automatically stamp a Tier 7 on Elizabeth without the feat being evaluated and used in question, that only show more proof that the Prototype verse should be re-evaluated as I am quite uncertain on why we did that without looking into the feats into question. Context still matters here."
 
"Yes, and it was immediately pointed out to be wrong. The 8-C end is incorrect, done to disvalidate the feat, which is actually one of Alex' best."

Do you actually know what you're talking about? Please perform the equation here and now since you do.

"Not casual."

I repeat my first question. You were already asking me which feat. Alex already casually tanked an 8-A explosion.

"Outlier."

Remind me why someone's only feat is an outlier because we're comparing her to someone who was once far weaker?

"Becoming stronger than yourself doesn't mean he is High 7-C even while stronger, because even the strongest in the series are only Tier 8."

????? What

"It would destroy the majority of Manhattan and render all of NYC uninhabitable, that's for sure."

Yeah, playing it safe isn't automatically correct because you think it's safe.

Here's the failure cutscene and the actual in-game cutscene. If you think a 75 kiloton nuke is doing any of the above, there's nothing left to say.

"What you mean is not considering one higher feat and considering all other feats in the series, rather than closing your eyes to everything we ever see every character in the series do ever, in favor of a single feat."

All the feats in Prototype 2 are dependent on Prototype 1. Casual 8-A feat in the beginning of the game makes the inverse square law result an outlier. The tier 7 feat at the end of the game is simply power progression, there's no reason to treat it as an outlier. Two feats isn't nearly enough to start throwing the outlier word around so casually.
 
"Do you actually know what you're talking about? Please perform the equation here and now since you do."

I have no need to, I'd leave it to people who can calc. I just trust Weekly more than I do you, honestly.

"Alex already casually tanked an 8-A explosion"

The nuke? That certainly wasn't casual.

"Remind me why someone's only feat is an outlier because we're comparing her to someone who was once far weaker"

Because nothing in the Verse replicates the scale of this feat, not even when coming from the God-Tiers. Thus, it is, by definition, an outlier.

"What"

Exactly what I said. Alex becoming stronger doesn't magically make him jump tiers, specially when he never performs a Tier 7 feat even when at his strongest, nor do any of the beings stronger than the person with the Tier 7 feat perform anything of that scale.

"If you think a 75 kiloton nuke is doing any of the above, there's nothing left to say. "

The blast radius of a 75 kiloton nuke would in fact cover all of Manhattan. At best you're looking at an explosion of like, 750 Kilotons here I'd say, which would still be a Tier 8 feat to survive from a distance.

"All the feats in Prototype 2 are dependent on Prototype 1. Casual 8-A feat in the beginning of the game makes the inverse square law result an outlier"

Yes, and Prototype 1 and both Prototype 2 are consistent in the Tier 8 range, even god-tiers from the second game. I hope this isn't hard to understand.

" The tier 7 feat at the end of the game is simply power progression, there's no reason to treat it as an outlier"

Because it is never replicated by anything stronger afterwards?

"Two feats isn't nearly enough to start throwing the outlier word around so casually"

It's not two feats, it is every single other feat in the series. I hope I made myself clear enough.
 
A few things.

1. Isn't the High 7-C calc blatant calc stacking? It uses the energy the missile displayed in the beginning of the game and applies it to another instance at the end

2. The Supersonic+ rating is wrong in several ways. A sonic boom is only Supersonic, and not Supersonic+.

3. The rating seems to be based on a split second long frame where a thin black speed line that can easily be missed if you don't pay attention appears around Roland and disappears immediately without making the thunderclap a sonic boom produces.

I don't even know where to start with this...
 
From the "Finding AP" section:

We knew from the previous calc that destroying the standard military bases with the thermobaric tanks yielded 1.5960558x10^12 joules.

This same tank only made a significant hole in a much stronger base reinforced by Elizabeth Greene.

Then he goes on to divide the calculated yield of the missile (Beginning of the Game) by the value he calculated for the volume of Elizabeth's base (End of Game), which is calc-stacking
 
This is why I don't do calcs
 
Also, the Hypersonic calc is based on a trailer for a feat that doesn't happen in-game.

The rationale for using it is WoG saying it doesn't happen in-game because of in-game limitations not making it possible.

But here's the thing, that means the feat never happens. The WoG doesn't say the feat is still applicable, just explaining why it can't be done in-game. Ergo, since the feat never happens in the game itself, it's not applicable.
 
That is while we don't acknowledge that Supersonic+ is based on a nigh invisible speed line that doesn't resemble a sonic boom, that appears for half a second, that can be missed very easily by almost everyone, and that doesn't even make a sound.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Kimihito "Darling-kun" Kurusu has a Planet-level durability feat in the Monster Musume opening. Can we use that to upgrade him?
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Next you'll say "I'm not trolling"

But I don't care nearly enough about a fictional verse like some of you do so do whatever, I have a test to study for :^)
 
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