Question about the "Holy Trinity of 'Can't Interact With Me' passives" and higher dimensionality.

[Zeifyl]

So, I ended up in a minor discussion that I want some clarification of, purely for a hypothetical scenario. For the hypothetical scenario, I will be using
Arceus and Gilgamesh (as they were the ones that made me wonder the hypothetical scenario in the first place).
AFAIK, Gilgamesh's Low 1-C key is 6D (and for the sake of argument, let's assume it is), and I can't find any feats of him interacting with Acausality 5 or Transduality 2 (and for the sake of argument, let's assume he has none).
Does Gilgamesh, being one dimension higher, stomp, or does Arceus' "Them destroying Arceus does not equal Arceus gets destroyed by them" from Aca 5 or "Arceus is both/neither destroyed and/nor not destroyed" from TD2 force a stalemate? And while Nonexistent Physiology Nature 2 isn't part of the equation (as I think Gilgamesh may have feats of interacting with that), which side would it otherwise lean towards for this argument?

Or asked simpler, can a higher-dimensional being bypass Aca5, TD2, and/or NEP2 from lower-dimensional beings, without feats of interacting with those abilities?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

From what I remember Aca5 and TD2 can be bypassed via them destroying the lower dimensional begins setting, but in the end, there will still be Nothingness which is why NEP Type 1 & 2 would be safe as long as the higher-dimensional being can't interact with NEP.

 

[Sniper670]

In fact, destroying the reality is meaningless due to being Beyond Dimensional Existence as a whole

 

[Zeifyl]

From what I remember Aca5 and TD2 can be bypassed via them destroying the lower dimensional begins setting, but in the end, there will still be Nothingness which is why NEP Type 1 & 2 would be safe as long as the higher-dimensional being can't interact with NEP.

In this scenario, the lower-dimensional being IS the setting. Does that change anything?

 

[Sniper670]

It's meaningless....

The Cosmology exists IN the mind of the entity. I'll repeat, destroying it is meaningless. You'll only clear his mind

 

[Sniper670]

Just give up. Can't beat Arceus at all.

If you want someone who can beat him, look at tier 1A and up

 

[Zeifyl]

It's meaningless....

The Cosmology exists IN the mind of the entity. I'll repeat, destroying it is meaningless. You'll only clear his mind

At the level of Tier 1 characters, that's completely and utterly irrelevant.

Just give up. Can't beat Arceus at all.

If you want someone who can beat him, look at tier 1A and up

Nope. Plenty of characters in Low 1-C and above can pull it off. There's nothing Arceus has that's rare here. To paraphrase a song from a fantastic animated movie, "He's playing with the big boys now!" The entire trinity is uncommon, but not unheard of. Besides, this is not what I'm doing here. I just used Arceus as the character in the example, because Arceus and Gilgamesh were the ones that made me think about it in the first place.

 

[Sniper670]

Simon can't beat him. Being higher dimensional is meaningless
. There, your main question is answered.

Now can we move on?

 

[Sniper670]

Nope. Plenty of characters in Low 1-C and above can pull it off. There's nothing Arceus has that's rare here. To paraphrase a song from a fantastic animated movie, "He's playing with the big boys now!" The entire trinity is uncommon, but not unheard of. Besides, this is not what I'm doing here. I just used Arceus as the character in the example, because Arceus and Gilgamesh were the ones that made me think about it in the first place.

LOL. Can you name them? I didn't SEE A SINGLE person in your list.

 

[Zeifyl]

LOL. Can you name them? I didn't SEE A SINGLE person in your list.

Tier 1 is where Digimon, Shin Megami Tensei, The Elder Scrolls, god-tier Marvel and DC, Umineko, and other such monsters reside. All of these 'verses have characters below 1-A that can mop Arceus.

 

[Sniper670]

That's silly...... I quite remember I mentioned the characters you'll find who can beat him are tier 1A and up

Digimon can't do shit

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

That's silly...... I quite remember I mentioned the characters you'll find who can beat him are tier 1A and up

Digimon can't do shit

Cough A Bodhisattva or Buddha in Journey to the West would body Arceus Cough

 

[Sniper670]

I thought he would be 1A

Well, Pokémon uses the same Buddhist Mythology anyway. They're brothers

 

[Zeifyl]

That's silly...... I quite remember I mentioned the characters you'll find who can beat him are tier 1A and up

Digimon can't do shit

Have a 1-B who can literally beat Arceus by speaking two words.
There's a BIG difference between being important in 2-A, and being anybody in Tier 1.

 

[Sniper670]

Have a 1-B who can literally beat Arceus by speaking two words.

Doesn't even have Transduality. Lol

 

[Sniper670]

Didn't I make a thread a week ago to find characters who can beat Arceus

So why make another one??

 

[Sniper670]

There's a BIG difference between being important in 2-A, and being anybody in Tier 1.

Cool

Do you have Acausality type 5, NEP 2 and TD 2??

If no then no one gives AF whether you're infinitely into tier 0

 

[Zeifyl]

Doesn't even have Transduality. Lol

He has MANY feats of interacting with TD2.

 

[Sniper670]

It's not on his profile so NO.

Plus his NEP is before the standards changed, he's just type 1.lol

 

[Zeifyl]

Didn't I make a thread a week ago to find characters who can beat Arceus

So why make another one??

Clearly, you don't understand the point of this thread. It isn't to find characters that can beat Arceus. It is to ask "Can you bypass these 3 types of hax with dimensionality". Also I saw that thread, and I remember the llama getting shredded in it.

 

[Sniper670]

Also I saw that thread, and I remember the llama getting shredded in it.

And your question has been answered so...... What are we doing here?

I specifically made the thread for that purpose

 

[Zeifyl]

And your question has been answered so...... What are we doing here?

Clearly, we're derailing.