Question regarding Palkia vs Goku Xeno thread

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

I wanted to know why can't goku nuke the realm after transforming to SSJ4?

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3795668

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

bump

 

[Dragomer]

No reason as far as i know, especialy since it's in the DBH verse and that Goku is confirmed to be able to **** it up.

Should ask Zenkai though, he's the one who know the most about DBH as far as i know.

 

[Omegas03]

The thread had Goku starting at SSJ4 so no nuking I think.

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

But can't he still nuke it even after transforming into SSJ4. Wouldn't he being passively present their would destroy the place or him charging more power?

 

[Dragomer]

The thread had Goku starting at SSJ4 so no nuking I think.

I mean, he can still nuke it, he just need to power up or attack, what nuke the whole thing is the transformation alone and i can't think of a single time where changing form had more power than the highter form itself.

After they maybe had a good reason but i can't think of any.

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

I mean no one bought this up. Like shouldn't him being in SSJ4 should greatly affect the realm if his transforming into SSJ4 alone affects time.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

It doesn't affect time. We see what happens when he becomes the form. Nothing.

What's said is that they have no idea what effect it'll have on time, and you all interpreted it as time will collapse in on itself if he uses this form. And given nothing happened, empty words are empty.

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

Ok then what about nuking the verse?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Fully capable, but completely out of character, and would kill him in the process.

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

Doesn't Xeno Goku end the fight quickly with what method necessary to get job done?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Goku ain't an omniscient. How on earth would he know to nuke the multiverse, especially given he can't interrogate Palkia, as Palkia can't talk.

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

I mean wouldn't he use it as last option when everything fails

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

No. He's not Frieza. Even if he would he'd be dead by then.

 

[Schnee_One]

I mean wouldn't he use it as last option when everything fails

And kill the people on his planet and himself?

No, better to take the L then that

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

Then what about GOku nuking Mechikabura's realm and being completly fine?

 

[Dragomer]

Then what about GOku nuking Mechikabura's realm and being completly fine?

He didn't nuke the realm, Mechi did but Goku was fine in that realm after being freed from Mechi.

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

But can he do it without killing himself in the process?

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

Xenoku can be willing to nuke a timeline if it is for multiverse stability and generally tries to avoid timelines from being created.

"It doesn't affect time. We see what happens when he becomes the form. Nothing."

That's because, as literally stated in the translations, was because he was in a place outside of time, therefore SSJ4 wouldn't affect time.

"The kaioshin of time told me not to transform as it would affect time, but I have no choice"

^ Showing that he is willing to risk it all in the case of an emergency

Vegeta: Is it really ok for Kakarot to use that transformation

Chronoa: Yes, this place is completely sealed off from time

No offense, but it seems a lot of people on the wiki try apply canon Goku to Xeno Goku when almost no one knows anything about heroes except from the stuff posted. Xeno Goku doesn't give as much of a shit and will do anything it takes to end the fight as soon as possible

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

And yet it wasn't destroyed. Sealed off from time or not, it's still a world, and nothing happened. Similar to the Yu Yu Hakusho quotes of A Class Demons being capable of casual planet busting but it being unsupported as they only fight in a sturdier land after that statement, this is a statement where something is said but has nothing to back it up.

" Xenoku can be willing to nuke a timeline if it is for multiverse stability and generally tries to avoid timelines from being created."

Gotta prove that bro

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

ok.

 

[Dragomer]

It's a world explicitly outside the multiverse tho, that's the whole point of sealing stuff out of time like the crack of time or the demon realm.

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

So doesn't that mean him just being in SSJ4 will mess with time and not just transforming because it doesn't make any sense

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

It means that until further proof, Goku was hesitant for nothing.

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

Well the battle took place in Palkia's realm where there are no living beings so why would hesitate to do it there?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

You mean nuke? Because Goku's not some sort of precognitive omniscient who knows he has to get rid of everything to kill off Palkia, nor is Goku some sort of demolition it's where he'll explode anything and everything and somehow wind up figuring that out on accident. Idk how Xeno Goku is, but I severely doubt he's a character who has zero awareness for anything except how to murder. Because that's how you Heroes fans (no offense) are making him out to be.

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

I mean why would he not do it if everything else failed to stop Dialga.

 

[Schnee_One]

And kill the people on his planet and himself?

No, better to take the L then that

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

There are no people in Palkia's realm

 

[Schnee_One]

Palliative is omnipresent throughout the mulitiverse no?

He kinda has to nuke that too.

 

[Dragomer]

I mean, No one should be around in either universe other than them TBH.

And Goku nuked a timeline of evil / full of evil since cleansing it was apparently too much of a pain, if he's going after Dialga, he'll probably see both situation as the same.