Raiden Mei Vs Raiden B Mei (Acheron) (Honkai: Star Rail Vs Honkai Impact 3rd) [1-7-0]

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Raiden Mei Vs Raiden B Mei

Raiden Mei
Attack Potency: Hyperverse Level
Durability: Hyperverse Level
Lifting Strength: Immeasurable

Acheron
Attack Potency: Hyperverse Level
Durability: Hyperverse Level
Lifting Strength: Universal

Fight location: Penacony
Speed Equalized

Fight OST:


Raiden Mei: @Shiroiyo
Acheron: @Yanina92 @Diasui @CastoriceTheFifth @GodEarh206 @Voidnether @PedjaTarzan @TegamiBachi25

 

[Yanina92]

Origin or Thunder? bcs the thread haves Thunder Mei img
Following

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Origin or Thunder? Following

Whichever one is a good fight

 

[Yanina92]

Whichever one is a good fight

I think Origin fits better since its both at her peak

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I think Origin fits better since its both at her peak

Origin it is then

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I dont know about you but I got Raiden winning

 

[Yanina92]

I dont know about you but I got Raiden winning

I go with Acheron but I prefer to hear Mei arguments first

 

[Yanina92]

also I think this img fits better, its very cool

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Raiden wins vro what you on

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Raiden stomps Raiden. Close this match

 

[Voidnether]

Ei FRA

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Ei FRA

What are you fraing

 

[GodEarh206]

Raiden > Raiden

 

[TegamiBachi25]

Okay can we move onto actual arguments now lol

I'm guessing both resists each others arsenal of hax. What is Raiden's starting move since I never played HI3rd?

Also Acheron Raiden is Extraordinary Genius yet Raiden Mei is just Genius.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Okay can we move onto actual arguments now lol

I'm guessing both resists each others arsenal of hax. What is Raiden's starting move since I never played HI3rd?

Also Acheron Raiden is Extraordinary Genius yet Raiden Mei is just Genius.

they just passive each other, i dont think mei resist madness hax and i dont think acheron resist WALLS of haxxes hi3 has whicj some od them are layered it im not wrong

 

[Voidnether]

they just passive each other, i dont think mei resist madness hax and i dont think acheron resist WALLS of haxxes hi3 has whicj some od them are layered it im not wrong

Path of Nihility vs Herrscher Authority ahh
Passive aura vs honkai standard effects ahh

 

[Voidnether]

they just passive each other, i dont think mei resist madness hax and i dont think acheron resist WALLS of haxxes hi3 has whicj some od them are layered it im not wrong

I mean acheron arguably could be immune to literally everything through IX's NEP (Acheron would be type 3 here) to like everything that exist in the Imaginary Tree instead of her having tons of resistance

 

[PedjaTarzan]

I mean acheron arguably could be immune to literally everything through IX's NEP (Acheron would be type 3 here) to like everything that exist in the Imaginary Tree instead of her having tons of resistance

well she isnt IX so

 

[Voidnether]

well she isnt IX so

That's why it's type 3 only through horizon of existence, only difference its not type 2 tbh

 

[Yanina92]

they just passive each other, i dont think mei resist madness hax and i dont think acheron resist WALLS of haxxes hi3 has whicj some od them are layered it im not wrong

But would that incap Acheron? Bcs she could still swing her sword and erase Mei too, but I don't know how many layers of resistance haves Mei to void hax

I mean acheron arguably could be immune to literally everything through IX's NEP (Acheron would be type 3 here) to like everything that exist in the Imaginary Tree instead of her having tons of resistance

Well yeah she could, though its an bit sus that much difference of layers between even seele and an aeon...

 

[Yanina92]

Who scales higher?

 

[PlungingThroughTime]

Neither do - Raiden Mei has Immeasurable speed though so she probably resists any time freeze Acheron has by drawing her sword.

IMO Mei's Electricity Manipulation / Paralysis leads any hit to be a one shot, especially with her matter manipulation / deconstruction + Enhanced dura neg in Origin.
I don't think Mei would be able to disrupt Acheron's powers, given Nihility / IX resists other paths influences, and we have no idea how links to Emanators work. If it is like Herrscher cores, or even similar to it with it using imaginary energy, maybe she'd be able to try something. I don't think it'd be effective though.

Mei's Origin fate manipulation and wish granting really help out here, given Acheron has no resistances to it. Crucially, Mei can fly. Acheron can't. That extra mobility would really help, especially when Acheron's freezing time gimmick doesn't work.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Bump

 

[Voidnether]

Bump

You should bump this

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[CastoriceTheFifth]

You should bump this

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Nah

 

[VoidGoji]

Acheron hax scales higher via IX, but Mei has 6 or 7 layers of honkai hax, which also affects imaginary energy/beings. It's pretty much a "can Mei beat Acheron before she pulls out her sword" match

 

[PedjaTarzan]

its incon due to passives lol, plus mei layers

 

[Yanina92]

its incon due to passives lol, plus mei layers

Does the passives would really incap Acheron? I see that in the profile it corrupts her but I don't think that would work as incap at all, since it would make her more crazy no? After all Acheron is already corrupted by IX tho.

Also Memokeeper didn't get outhaxed by the Cocoon when she meet Kiana, unless I missed something I don't see why they wouldn't resist the standard effects they're from the same verse after all and more precisely IX is the opposite of all existence I don't see how Acheron wouldn't survive in the Sea of Quanta for example, I thought there was already an hax scale each other. I could also include Nahralab that didn't get corrupted by the honkai despite living there for billions

Neither do - Raiden Mei has Immeasurable speed though so she probably resists any time freeze Acheron has by drawing her sword.

IMO Mei's Electricity Manipulation / Paralysis leads any hit to be a one shot, especially with her matter manipulation / deconstruction + Enhanced dura neg in Origin.
I don't think Mei would be able to disrupt Acheron's powers, given Nihility / IX resists other paths influences, and we have no idea how links to Emanators work. If it is like Herrscher cores, or even similar to it with it using imaginary energy, maybe she'd be able to try something. I don't think it'd be effective though.

Mei's Origin fate manipulation and wish granting really help out here, given Acheron has no resistances to it. Crucially, Mei can fly. Acheron can't. That extra mobility would really help, especially when Acheron's freezing time gimmick doesn't work.

Fate doesn't work on Acheron as she doesn't have future or past due to Nihility, I'm pretty sure that if Acheron sends Mei against IX she will be erased as it's the opposite of everything that is made on existence. Mei also needed the help from Kiana and Bronya to defeat Kevin so she still downscales from him, we don't know how much strong she is compared with PE Finality but Acheron is an Self-Annihilator that can directly draw power from IX. About her slash Acheron haves much better range for it, so when Mei tries to unleash her sword the attack would already reach her but it also depends on the distance tho.

I don't know at all but for now I see that Acheron should've an bit stronger, anyone can passive each other but if Acheron manages to fight through the corruption she would win, so for now I will go with her unless I hear strong arguments for Mei.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Also Memokeeper didn't get outhaxed by the Cocoon when she meet Kiana, unless I missed something

she was in her dreams or mind so theres no way for kiana to affect her and no cocoon isnt present there, kiana on the moon is not the same as CoF Cof resides in higher dimension and kiana uses it as a source of power and authority

 

[Yanina92]

she was in her dreams or mind so theres no way for kiana to affect her and no cocoon isnt present there, kiana on the moon is not the same as CoF Cof resides in higher dimension and kiana uses it as a source of power and authority

Kiana is still an herrscher of finality after all, since Memokeeper meet her even in her mind and interacted with her she should resist the effects of the honkai as the energy also affects the consciousness/non-tangible forms and considering that she also felt her waves I don't see why she wouldn't scale to it

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Kiana is still an herrscher of finality after all, since Memokeeper meet her even in her mind and interacted with her she should resist the effects of the honkai as the energy also affects the consciousness/non-tangible forms and considering that she also felt her waves I don't see why she wouldn't scale to it

perhaps because kiana is actively sealing honkai on the moon so she controls it without leaving side effects to others

 

[SODAKU]

Kiana is still an herrscher of finality after all, since Memokeeper meet her even in her mind and interacted with her she should resist the effects of the honkai as the energy also affects the consciousness/non-tangible forms and considering that she also felt her waves I don't see why she wouldn't scale to it

Kiana is not known for killing people who just come to talk , and she literally controls all the honkai energy she has no problem just not affecting people

 

[Yanina92]

Kiana is not known for killing people who just come to talk , and she literally controls all the honkai energy she has no problem just not affecting people

Well, the honkai would passively corrupt anyone and as mentioned before it wasn't an physical interaction but the Memokeeper wanted to reach Kiana memories while feeling how powerful were the waves of her own will and still didn't get corrupted. Again we are assuming that the honkai from Mei would passively corrupt Acheron who is an Self-Annihilator and someone who can literally draw power from IX, an entity that is the opposite than the entire existence which includes the own Imaginary Tree and the Sea of Quanta.

 

[SODAKU]

Well, the honkai would passively corrupt anyone

Is it that hard to understand that honkai doesn't passively corrupt anyone if it's controlled (even basic herrschers can contain their energy) + i don't care about the matchup I've only butted in to explain how Honkai corrupts

 

[Yanina92]

Is it that hard to understand that honkai doesn't passively corrupt anyone if it's controlled (even basic herrschers can contain their energy)

In this mashup before was argued about Mei passively corrupting Acheron has an win, that's why I mention it though

Acheron scales higher, haves better hax of an higher entity and could scale higher so I maintain my vote for now.

 

[SODAKU]

In this mashup before was argued about Mei passively corrupting Acheron has an win, that's why I mention it though

No what you did is claim that because memokeper wasn't destroyed passively by Kiana that honkai passives don't work an acheron wich is wrong as herrschers can both control honkai to not affect people near them and release it if the need arises

Basically if you see anyone standing near herrschers and other honkai rich beings and not immediately die doesn't mean they resist the honkai

 

[Yanina92]

No what you did is claim that because memokeper wasn't destroyed passively by Kiana that honkai passives don't work an acheron wich is wrong as herrschers can both control honkai to not affect people near them and release it if the need arises

I don't know why that would be the case, Memokeeper felt Kiana's waves and they were compared to an Emanator not an Aeon at first place, Memokeeper tried to reach Kiana memories, she didn't meet her physically. Even assuming that she controlled the Honkai, I don't see how Mei is able to corrupt Acheron who draws her own power from IX, which opposes the existence of the Imaginary Tree and the Sea of Quanta she is also already corrupted as an Self-Annihilator this is not even considering she haves her sword unsheathed. In lore Aeons simply scales higher than the waves or the Honkai in this case, saying that the Honkai would passively affect Acheron is an very big assumption after all considering once she swing her sword Mei could get erased.

 

[SODAKU]

I don't know why that would be the case, Memokeeper felt Kiana's waves and they were compared to an Emanator not an Aeon at first place, Memokeeper tried to reach Kiana memories, she didn't meet her physically. Even assuming that she controlled the Honkai, I don't see how Mei is able to corrupt Acheron who draws her own power from IX, which opposes the existence of the Imaginary Tree and the Sea of Quanta she is also already corrupted as an Self-Annihilator this is not even considering she haves her sword unsheathed. In lore Aeons simply scales higher than the waves or the Honkai in this case, saying that the Honkai would passively affect Acheron is an very big assumption after all considering once she swing her sword Mei could get erased.

All that wall of text but the answer is simple does acheron have 6 layers of resistance , if yes she wins , if no she can lose. It's not rocket science.

 

[Shiroiyo]

I was avoiding this thread but, to begin with Acheron can't resist power nullification, there's nothing stopping Mei from severing her link with IX, and before anyone argues that IX is stronger, that's not accepted since 1: Mei is scaling above FG Otto = IMG Tree and Acheron is just =(or downscaling ?) Aeon = Tree, and even if that weren't true hax doesn't care about durability and ap, and Acheron has no resistance to powernull, corruption, life manipulation, perception, pain.

Mei also has passive Wish Granting aside from Honkai energy standards, which works on people who resist RW (Herrschers in the justification). Mei stuff is way more layered, Acheron's weakness even note that she is hesitant to open with her sword, so we are not even sure if she'll open with her wincon, while a good chunk of Mei's hax are already active or just take effect after her thunder hits you. I am leaning towards Mei, but if Acheron opens with her naught I would say incon.

The stuff about passives being 100% uptime in verse is a bit dumb too, by the same logic everyone resists Acheron hax because she doesn't go erasing and crushing everyone's mind everywhere she goes.

Edit: I should note that I'm not here to debate and I have just decided to clarify a few things, I already left HoYoverse in general and I don't plan to come back.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Bump