Re:Zero Continent Calc Downgrade

[MrTayman616]

The calculation: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Zabazab/Garfiel_Punches_Clouds

This is a thread to remove the current distance accepted for the calculation.

Spoiler: The current assumption

In Lugunica, it takes 10 days to travel from Priestella (a city bordering Kararagi to the west) to Roswaal Mansion, and then a month to travel from Roswaal Mansion to the easternmost region of the nation, making a total of around 40 days of travel. Dragon Carriages travel at 100km/h, and 12 hours of travel per day seems reasonable. That's 48,000km total, and dividing to account for roads not being straight (sourced from this calc) makes it 40363.6363636 kilometers. Sadly including the distance from Priestella to Kararagi, and from the edge of the desert to the eastern edge of the world isn't possible as no accurate, detailed maps of the world exist.

These were clouds from all across the Vollachian Empire, a nation which is the largest in the world. It is south of both Lugunica and Kararagi— the eastermost and westernmost nations— so horizontally the nation would be twice the width of Lugunica. As for the vertical length, I'll use the map in the anime to get a rough ratio as, while it lacks detail, it does not possess the various errors present in other official maps. From this, the ratio of Vollachia's horizontal to vertical legth is around 11:3, therefore 22016.5289256km. According to this, clouds cover around 67% of the surface of earth.

The problem is simple. It doesn't actually take 30 days for them to get there, but nearly 20 days. There are multiple statements of it before and after the chapter, even in the same chapter as well.

Other than that, i'll be using the same values. So the actual result should be:

• 100*30*12 = 36000 kilometers
• 36000/1.18918918919 = 30272.7273 kilometers
• 30272727.3*2 = 60545454.6 meters for horizontal length.
• 60545454.6/(11/3) = 16512396.7 meters for vertical length
• Area over which clouds sit = 60545454.6 * 16512396.7 * (55/100) = 5.49862811e14m²
• Cloud mass = 1,454,047,516,657,255,000 kg
• Speed = 4,000 m/s
• KE calc = (1/12) * 1,454,047,516,657,255,000 * 4,000^2 = 1.93873002e24 Joule (High 6-B+)

Edit:
Re:Zero's planet is flat, and has no such things like oceans. In case %55 is not usable since we don't know how it works in the flat world of Re:Zero (lacks sea, ocean etc. which both are a massive influence for the formation of clouds), we can use it by finding how much of the clouds in the atmosphere came from water evaporating from seas, oceans and stuff.

Studies have revealed that evaporation from oceans, seas, and other bodies of water provides nearly 90% of the moisture in our atmosphere

Which means we apply %10 to %55 from before to find the percentage of clouds without influence of seas and oceans etc.

The result based on that would be:

• 100*30*12 = 36000 kilometers
• 36000/1.18918918919 = 30272.7273 kilometers
• 30272727.3*2 = 60545454.6 meters for horizontal length.
• 60545454.6/(11/3) = 16512396.7 meters for vertical length
• Area over which clouds sit = 60545454.6 * 16512396.7 * [55/100 * (10/100)] = 5.49862811e13m²
• Cloud mass = 145,404,751,665,725,470 kg
• Speed = 4,000 m/s
• KE calc = (1/12) * 145,404,751,665,725,470 * 4,000^2 = 1.93873002e23 Joule (6-B)

Edit 2:

However, I do take issue with the assumption of nimbostratus clouds. This is assumed based on the fact that they are dark storm clouds after they have been condensed above lupugana. The clouds across the entire country before being condensed would not be the same. Although, I still do not know what standard cloud type could be used instead.

Added new options based on Cumulus type clouds as it is the most common one on land and i believe it fits here.

Version 1:

• 100*30*12 = 36000 kilometers
• 36000/1.18918918919 = 30272.7273 kilometers
• 30272727.3*2 = 60545454.6 meters for horizontal length.
• 60545454.6/(11/3) = 16512396.7 meters for vertical length
• Area over which clouds sit = 60545454.6 * 16512396.7 * (55/100) = 5.49862811e14m²
• Cloud mass = 751,934,700,863,021,000 kg
• Speed = 4,000 m/s
• KE calc = (1/12) * 751,934,700,863,021,000 * 4,000^2 = 1.0025796e24 Joule (High 6-B)

Version 2:

• 100*30*12 = 36000 kilometers
• 36000/1.18918918919 = 30272.7273 kilometers
• 30272727.3*2 = 60545454.6 meters for horizontal length.
• 60545454.6/(11/3) = 16512396.7 meters for vertical length
• Area over which clouds sit = 60545454.6 * 16512396.7 * [55/100 * (10/100)] = 5.49862811e13m²
• Cloud mass = 75,193,470,086,302,110 kg
• Speed = 4,000 m/s
• KE calc = (1/12) * 75,193,470,086,302,110 * 4,000^2 = 1.0025796e23 Joule (6-B)

(If i did it correctly )

The Blog:

Garfiel Punches Clouds

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[Lort15]

i see a lot of re zero downgrade and upgrade these days, neutral

 

[Drite77]

If it is "nearly 20 days" then you should use about only 18 days instead of 30, you should also put this in a blog and not here

 

[MrTayman616]

If it is "nearly 20 days" then you should use about only 18 days instead of 30, you should also put this in a blog and not here

The last scan here shows it took 20 days. It should be fine to use.

Added the blog to the OP, also here

Garfiel Punches Clouds

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[Drite77]

You're still using the 30 days there

 

[MrTayman616]

You're still using the 30 days there

Yes. The original calc has two combined timeframe there.

10 days + 30 days. 10 days is correct but 30 days isn't. I changed it to 20 days, which made it 10 days + 20 days.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Bro what is happening. Where will Reinhard scale now

 

[Drite77]

I've commented on it

 

[Lynieryz]

Even so, the calculation is still inaccurate. It relies on Earth's 67% cloud coverage, but the world in Re:Zero is flat.

According to this, clouds cover around 67% of the surface of earth.

• Area over which clouds sit = 80727272.7272m * 22016528.9256m = 1.77733434e15m² * 67% = 1.19081401e15m²

The earth's atmosphere is a very cloudy place. NASA's Earth Observatory estimates that at any given time, around 67% of Earth's surface is covered by cloud.

Based on observatory data between 2002 and 2015, NASA's Aqua Satellite image (below) clearly shows three zones which are the cloudiest, over the mid-latitudes and over the equator.

These zones are created by the interaction of large cells of air which are part of the earth's global circulation patterns.

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The worst part is that there are no oceans in the world of Re:Zero, and the oceans are the biggest cloud creators on the planet.

A Traditional Depiction of the Global Water Cycle​

Salinity and Evaporation - Precipitation

In contact with both the oceans and the continents, the thin, transparent atmosphere acts as a conduit connecting the terrestrial and oceanic components of the water cycle. Figure 2 is a traditional depiction of the global water cycle as viewed by hydrologists. It focuses on the processes of most interest to society, but gives a distorted picture of the role of the oceans. Relegating the oceans to a small corner of the diagram conveys a very inaccurate picture. In fact, the oceans cover the majority of the earth and hold 97% of the free (not chemically bound) water on the planet, comprising both the primary source of water evaporated into the atmosphere and the main site of precipitation. We estimate that 86% of global evaporation and 78% of global precipitation occurs over the oceans. Surely, the oceans deserve a more prominent place in any depiction of the water cycle

The Global Water Cycle

www2.whoi.edu

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Q: It seems the Lugnica Kingdom is facing towards a large waterfall however, as the chapters move forward will there be a possibility of a beach scene, in other words is there a possibility of swimsuits?

A: Speaking frankly, since the great waterfall cascade is a waterfall the concept of an ‘ocean’ does not exist in that world. Since there are huge lakes and rivers however, the swimsuits have a small chance there

Q: Just how wide is Lugunica? I was thinking it was around Australia’s size, but there is the waterfall, so maybe it’s more like Canada?

A: I haven’t thought about it. It’s called a waterfall, but it’s a diorama world, so the four edges of the world are cliffs. Water goes roaring off there, and that’s called the Great Waterfall. No one knows how far down it falls.

Q: Is the other world a construct, like something Doshin the Giant would make?

A: Ah, Doshin the Giant is nostalgic. It’s not really entirely a construct, but yes, it’s sort of similar to a diorama world.

Q: Is the world of Re: Zero similar to the world of Lance?

A: If you mean a flat world with cliffs at the edge, it’s not a globe, but a diagram of the world would certainly look like that. It would be fine to think of it as a flat diorama world.

Q: This world has no oceans, but what do they call the water that should be surrounding the Great Waterfall’s continent? If no one has seen the Great Waterfall and so they don’t know the shape of their world, then I feel like the concept of oceans should fit.

A: Honestly, it’s not like there’s a waterfall way on the far side of a body of water; you run into the Great Waterfall pretty much right at the edge of the world, so the Great Waterfall mostly doesn’t have any bodies of water that you could call a sea or lake. On top of not being able to see where the water falls to, anything that tried to live in it would be swept off the edge quickly. The environment here is too harsh to be something you could call a Mother Ocean.

Q: How does the world in Re: Zero rotate or revolve?

A: It’s the same thing in Ptolemaic theory. (note: literally ‘heaven motion theory’; I think he’s implying the sun and moon move around the world in Re: Zero.)

Q: Does the other world have rain? Drinking water?

A: It falls normally. There are springs, just like you’d expect.

Q: I was wondering after the tartar sauce, but do they have seafood?

A: There are rivers and lakes, but there’s no ocean, so they probably don’t have real seafood. For salt, it seems like there would be something like salt lakes, but things like shrimp are probably not available.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Bro what is happening. Where will Reinhard scale now

He might get downgraded to 7-A at this rate

 

[Huesito88]

He might get downgraded to 7-A at this rate

Downgrade for the Moon's size somehow?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Downgrade for the Moon's size somehow?

Considering the nature of what seems to be re:zeros earth I wouldn't be suprised

 

[Zabazab]

(If i did it correctly )

Why'd you do it before me I said in the general discussion that it became 20 days in the LN already. But yeah this is correct.

Even so, the calculation is still inaccurate. It relies on Earth's 67% cloud coverage, but the world in Re:Zero is flat.

There's plenty of clouds, it still rains normally, atmospheric moisture isn't low, and there's even a quarter of the world where it permanently snows, so I'm not sure what issue this would create.

 

[Lynieryz]

There's plenty of clouds, it still rains normally, atmospheric moisture isn't low, and there's even a quarter of the world where it permanently snows, so I'm not sure what issue this would create.

None of this implies a quantity of clouds comparable to Earth's. The size of the world in Re:Zero is unknown, and distance calculations would not result in a size comparable to Earth. This alone disqualifies the use of Earth's cloud coverage. Furthermore, there are no oceans on the planet, which is again the biggest cloud producer on Earth.

This is not usable in any way; another calculation without using Earth's parameters would have to be done.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Yeah...just scrap the cloud calc due to the world being far too different.

 

[Zabazab]

The size of the world in Re:Zero is unknown, and distance calculations would not result in a size comparable to Earth.

Not true? The calculation in the OP gives a width of 60,545,454.6m, roughly 1.5x the circumference of the earth.

The conditions in the Re:Zero world are meant to be earthlike, hence why things like gravity are unchanged despite the flat world. It even says in the Q&A you posted that it rains normally, there's clearly no desert-effect from the lack of oceans impacting the fantasy water-cycle.

 

[Arkenis]

what about the Rein feat

 

[Huesito88]

what about the Rein feat

The Moon Jump one?

 

[Arkenis]

cloud cut

 

[MrTayman616]

Why'd you do it before me I said in the general discussion that it became 20 days in the LN already. But yeah this is correct.

I didn't see that, sry

Also not LN but WN as well

what about the Rein feat

I mean they'll upscale from this feat. (So baseline continent level)

I wanted to fix it before it happens

Even so, the calculation is still inaccurate. It relies on Earth's 67% cloud coverage, but the world in Re:Zero is flat.

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The worst part is that there are no oceans in the world of Re:Zero, and the oceans are the biggest cloud creators on the planet.

The Global Water Cycle

www2.whoi.edu

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Will check it more when i'm at home

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I mean they'll upscale from this feat. (So baseline continent level)

I'm ready for Deku Vs Reinhard. Reinhard aint ready for the Fa Jin + Gearshift unequalized speed meta

 

[MrTayman616]

In case %67 is not usable since we don't know how it works in the flat world of Re:Zero (lacks sea, ocean etc. which both are a massive influence for the formation of clouds), we can use it by finding how much of the clouds in the atmosphere came from water evaporating from seas, oceans and stuff.

Studies have revealed that evaporation from oceans, seas, and other bodies of water provides nearly 90% of the moisture in our atmosphere

Which means we apply %10 to %67 from before to find the percentage of clouds without influence of seas and oceans etc.

The result based on that would be:

• 100*30*12 = 36000 kilometers
• 36000/1.18918918919 = 30272.7273 kilometers
• 30272727.3*2 = 60545454.6 meters for horizontal length.
• 60545454.6/(11/3) = 16512396.7 meters for vertical length
• Area over which clouds sit = 60545454.6 * 16512396.7 * [67/100 * (10/100)] = 6.69832878e13m²
• Cloud mass = 177,129,424,530,454,720 kg
• Speed = 4,000 m/s
• KE calc = (1/12) * 177,129,424,530,454,720 * 4,000^2 = 2.36172566e23 Joule (6-B+)

 

[Drite77]

It would be 6.7%

 

[MrTayman616]

It would be 6.7%

Yes. That's what i wrote there?

 

[Drite77]

My b, am at work and I didn't had time to read everything, you should still update the blog whenever you can

 

[MrTayman616]

My b, am at work and I didn't had time to read everything, you should still update the blog whenever you can

Updated. Added it as a second calculation.

Garfiel Punches Clouds

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[MrTayman616]

Bump

 

[Drite77]

I thought I had accepted the recalc, I just did it

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

can someone start posting these threads in the re zero discussion thread from the next time?

 

[VortechsTG]

30 days to 20 days is correct. Downgrading the cloud coverage from 67% would be wrong. The conditions in the ReZero world are designed to mimic those of ours despite it being flat. It is likely just a function of Od Laguna to mimic these conditions.

However, I do take issue with the assumption of nimbostratus clouds. This is assumed based on the fact that they are dark storm clouds after they have been condensed above lupugana. The clouds across the entire country before being condensed would not be the same. Although, I still do not know what standard cloud type could be used instead.

 

[MrTayman616]

30 days to 20 days is correct. Downgrading the cloud coverage from 67% would be wrong. The conditions in the ReZero world are designed to mimic those of ours despite it being flat. It is likely just a function of Od Laguna to mimic these conditions.

Could you show the statements about it? If there is a specific statement(s) in the novel or from author about the weather, it might be fine. It should be proven that 67% is usable even with the lack of ocean and seas after all.

Currently, i think 6.7% works better here. (Not saying clouds only cover that much in Re:Zero, but that this is what i consider usable based on what's currently shown here)

However, I do take issue with the assumption of nimbostratus clouds. This is assumed based on the fact that they are dark storm clouds after they have been condensed above lupugana. The clouds across the entire country before being condensed would not be the same. Although, I still do not know what standard cloud type could be used instead.

I agree with this. Cumulus might be better ig? The most common one on land and would get a lot darker because of getting thicker.

 

[VortechsTG]

Could you show the statements about it? If there is a specific statement(s) in the novel or from author about the weather, it might be fine. It should be proven that 67% is usable even with the lack of ocean and seas after all.

There's not an actual statement about Od Laguna or some other force controlling the weather. That's just the reasonable conclusion given the conditions of this world and the weather being normal. And I do believe there is plenty of evidence to say so.

The conditions in the Re:Zero world are meant to be earthlike, hence why things like gravity are unchanged despite the flat world. It even says in the Q&A you posted that it rains normally, there's clearly no desert-effect from the lack of oceans impacting the fantasy water-cycle.

I believe Zabazab's argument is already pretty convincing, but if you want more, there are multiple mentions of heavy rain that treat it as a normal occurrence,

"'It was a stormy night. I was just another merchant returning from a business deal when I came across the site of a large landslide.'" - Vol 17 Ch 4

"'A field rat knows to change its den before the heavy rains come. Barusu’s instinct isn’t to be made light of.'" - Vol 21 Ch 3

"'It’s really coming down,' said Ram.
'───'
'The road to the town is going to be quite muddy in this rain,' Ram continued." -Poltergeist Story

rain causing flooding, taking out a bridge,

"'I guess that you are already aware, Mister traveling merchant, but the latest spell of rain has made the river on the valley floor overflow. Thanks to that, the bridge towards the mountain’s foot drifted away, leaving no method to arrive in the city other than crossing the intricate mountain road!'" - Otto’s Bittersweet Peddling Trade Log

the Buddheim Jungle in Vollachia, which is compared to the Amazon Rainforest,

"With exuberant foliage and trees, it somewhat matched Subaru’s impression of tropical rainforests.
For an instant he was reminded of watching information on the television that the Amazon Forest meant the point of death for humans as a matter of course–," - Arc 7 Ch 1

a large portion of the world with year-round snowfall,

"Each of the great countries struggled with their own unique problems, yet among them, the Holy Kingdom of Gusteko was infamous for its particularly harsh environment; most of the land was encrusted with permafrost, and throughout the whole year, snow never ceased its fall." - Apocalypse Girls

and even the "desert" of the world isn't actually a desert and gets enough cloud cover and rain to cool it down.

"'That’s all really. I was expecting it to be stupidly hot when I heard we were going to the sand dunes.'
"The reason this area is a desert is because the intense miasma kills off all foliage. But it rains here, and it’s not as if the temperature suddenly spikes or anything.'
In Subaru’s mind, a desert was a blazing hot sort of hell. But apparently in this world, desertification was caused by something other than what Subaru imagined, countering the image of burning sands that he had gotten from games and manga. If anything, the real thing was a lot easier to bear than what he had imagined" - Vol 21 Ch 2

I agree with this. Cumulus might be better ig? The most common one on land and would get a lot darker because of getting thicker.

If that is indeed the most common, then that sounds like the best type to use.

 

[MrTayman616]

There's not an actual statement about Od Laguna or some other force controlling the weather. That's just the reasonable conclusion given the conditions of this world and the weather being normal.

I know, i was talking about weather&cloud situations overall, not Od related. Reading the statements, i'd be fine with each end. I think it'd work but asking calc members might be better.

Btw, it shouldn't be 67% and 6.7% but 55% and 5.5%(Also wikipedia). The cloud percentage on land is that much, 67% includes the entire surface, both land and ocean.

I'll change it when i'm at home.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Btw, it shouldn't be 67% and 6.7% but 55% and 5.5%.

This link doesn't work.

 

[MrTayman616]

I thought I had accepted the recalc, I just did it

However, I do take issue with the assumption of nimbostratus clouds. This is assumed based on the fact that they are dark storm clouds after they have been condensed above lupugana. The clouds across the entire country before being condensed would not be the same. Although, I still do not know what standard cloud type could be used instead.

I agree with this. Cumulus might be better ig? The most common one on land and would get a lot darker because of getting thicker.

Could you tell us your opinion on this please?

This link doesn't work.

Fixed + added another source :d

 

[MrTayman616]

Garfiel Punches Clouds

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I changed the calcs to 55% and added Cumulus versions as well.

 

[MrTayman616]

Garfiel Punches Clouds

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I changed the calcs to 55% and added Cumulus versions as well.

Bump

 

[Drite77]

My bad, I didn't see the changes, I'll check once I'm available, which might take a while

 

[Drite77]

Bump

I've commented on it

 

[MrTayman616]

Bump