[Re:Zero] Subaru Upscale Maybe?

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Worth a shot

So during Arc 3, Petelgeuse manages to possess Subaru and take control of his body completely. However, despite Subaru's body being under Petelgeuse's subconscious control, Subaru a minute or 2 later manages to overpower his control with all his body and soul, allowing him to forcibly take back control of his own body temporarily.



Light Novel version

Subaru can also attempt to defend against possession by breaking a taboo in order to use Satella's presence to bail him out



Light Novel and Web Novel version

I propose he gets Unconventional Limited Resistance to Possession

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

this isnt unconventional, its just willpower possession resistance iirc

anyways i agree, i thought this was already added

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

this isnt unconventional, its just willpower possession resistance iirc

anyways i agree, i thought this was already added

It’s unconventional in the sense that Satella has to bail him out

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

It’s unconventional in the sense that Satella has to bail him out

i meant the first part

He also cannot be possessed due to beako so that should be added too

ALSO, pls someone add ia as optional equipment for arc 1-4 baru, the sisters were literally tasked with helping Subaru

 

[Lort15]

wank, Anastasia 1-A when

 

[Lort15]

also isn't this Limited Supernatural Willpower?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

He also cannot be possessed due to beako so that should be added too

Do you have scan of this?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

also isn't this Limited Supernatural Willpower?

What is Limited Supernatural power? How can supernatural willpower be limited?

Also you can index willpower based resistances as something else like how Deku has resistance to Power Absorption because the combine will power of all OFA users defend against it being stolen.

(Also Satella being able to bail him out isn’t indexed)

anyways i agree, i thought this was already added

Just checked his profile. Yeah even his willpower doesn’t mention being able to resist.

 

[Lort15]

What is Limited Supernatural power? How can supernatural willpower be limited?

Also you can index willpower based resistances as something else like how Deku has resistance to Power Absorption because the combine will power of all OFA users defend against it being stolen.

(Also Satella being able to bail him out isn’t indexed)

or Minor, it will lead to both tho, i mean from the given scenes it seems like he is resisting it via Willpower, i think you can give both both Supernatural Willpower and limited resistance to Possesion

 

[Natsuki012]

agree

 

[VortechsTG]

Do you have scan of this?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t this more of the conditions/limitations of how Geuse’s possession works?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t this more of the conditions/limitations of how Geuse’s possession works?

this would be a resistance to geuse being able to possess someone since its an application of a contract which we know is a soul based power

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

this would be a resistance to geuse being able to possess someone since its an application of a contract which we know is a soul based power

Wouldn’t it be better to index this as a weakness for Geuse

 

[VortechsTG]

Wouldn’t it be better to index this as a weakness for Geuse

Why? It may not protect from every type of possession but any that involves interfering with the soul would be prevented. That would probably just make it a limited resistance.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t this more of the conditions/limitations of how Geuse’s possession works?

Wasn't it more of a way of how Spirit contracts work, since you can only contract one? (or am I missremebering things)

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Why? It may not protect from every type of possession but any that involves interfering with the soul would be prevented. That would probably just make it a limited resistance.

Wasn't it more of a way of how Spirit contracts work, since you can only contract one? (or am I missremebering things)

Because it sounds more like "Geuse cannot force his one-way contract onto those who already possesses a contract with another spirit"

rather than "Beako's spiritual contract with Subaru blocks any and all spiritual possession"

It sounds more of a limitation of Geuse's possession rather than a genuine defense against any other spiritual possession.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

isnt possession literally of the mind and soul, which mf is stealing concepts

(looks at gluttony)
oh

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Because it sounds more like "Geuse cannot force his one-way contract onto those who already possesses a contract with another spirit"

rather than "Beako's spiritual contract with Subaru blocks any and all spiritual possession"

It sounds more of a limitation of Geuse's possession rather than a genuine defense against any other spiritual possession.

if a spirit tries to possess Subaru, Beako would kick his ass out or he wouldnt be able to because the limit to how many hoes spirits subaru can have is filled

this would transfer cross verse too, so a random ghost isnt possessing him either

 

[Mbpoops]

The dahlia disagrees.

I agree tho

 

[VortechsTG]

Wasn't it more of a way of how Spirit contracts work, since you can only contract one? (or am I missremebering things)

Specifically in Beatrice's case she prevents forming any other contracts. You can normally form more than one contract if you have the capacity for it. Still, forming a contract prevents an evil spirit like Petelgeuse from latching onto their mind and soul. You can think of Petelgeuse as a parasite or sorts. A tick. The contract blocks him from biting and digging his head in.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Specifically in Beatrice's case she prevents forming any other contracts. You can normally form more than one contract if you have the capacity for it. Still, forming a contract prevents an evil spirit like Petelgeuse from latching onto their mind and soul. You can think of Petelgeuse as a parasite or sorts. A tick. The contract blocks him from biting and digging his head in.

Because it sounds more like "Geuse cannot force his one-way contract onto those who already possesses a contract with another spirit"

rather than "Beako's spiritual contract with Subaru blocks any and all spiritual possession"

It sounds more of a limitation of Geuse's possession rather than a genuine defense against any other spiritual possession.

So is it actually the latter because the way its worded makes it really sound like it was a limitation on his part.

Like basically if Subaru eats a Sukuna finger and broskie tries to spiritually possess him, Beako's contract just kicks Sukuna's ass out of his body. Even if his possession wasn't one-way contract based like Geuse?

 

[VortechsTG]

Like basically if Subaru eats a Sukuna finger and broskie tries to spiritually possess him, Beako's contract just kicks Sukuna's ass out of his body. Even if his possession wasn't one-way contract based like Geuse?

Idk how Sukuna's possession works so I can't answer this with confidence but at the very least his profile doesn't make it seem like the same kind of possession. Though tbh it may be impossible in general in Re:Zero to possess someone without attaching to their soul.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

So is it actually the latter because the way its worded makes it really sound like it was a limitation on his part.

Like basically if Subaru eats a Sukuna finger and broskie tries to spiritually possess him, Beako's contract just kicks Sukuna's ass out of his body. Even if his possession wasn't one-way contract based like Geuse?

hitting my goat with the canabalism accusations

anyways, i think thats a different type of possession, if its a mind or soul type possession then beako could probably kick him out though

 

[Robo432343]

Subaru downscale
Subaru upscale

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Subaru downscale
Subaru upscale

When Sub Rel Subaru gets nuked

 

[VortechsTG]

anyways, i think thats a different type of possession, if its a mind or soul type possession then beako could probably kick him out though

I don't think the issue is being kicked out. It just seems like it isn't possible to forcefully bind with a soul that is already bound to another. The text implies that if Subaru had a proper contract with Ia he wouldn't have been able to kick her out. That isn't her kicking him out, that's the contract itself blocking him.

 

[VortechsTG]

When Sub Rel Subaru gets nuked

In order for this to happen the rest of the verse will need to be nuked (which it should be).

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

this would make them supersonic with rel or rel+ Reactions and this would be ABSOLUTE cinema for matchups

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Bring me Superhuman speed Subaru

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

this would make them supersonic with rel or rel+ Reactions and this would be ABSOLUTE cinema for matchups

If you didn't know, that Rel + reaction speed is only good for like 1 short reaction and not continuous movements unless they got combat speed

 

[VortechsTG]

this would make them supersonic with rel or rel+ Reactions and this would be ABSOLUTE cinema for matchups

"This" as in nuking the verse? For those that need to be downgraded their perception and reaction speeds are not significantly beyond their combat speed.

 

[VortechsTG]

Bring me Superhuman speed Subaru

Mind you, webnovel Subaru is already FTE in arc 2.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

"This" as in nuking the verse? For those that need to be downgraded their perception and reaction speeds are not significantly beyond their combat speed.

Some funny ass speed scaling going on right here
Speed: Sub-Relativistic reaction speed (Was able to dodge[7] Wilhelm's attacks), Average Human combat speed with the Unseen Hand (The hands' speed is comparable to a punch[16]), Subsonic attack speed with the Unseen Hand (Objects thrown by the hands move faster than the hands themselves[16]; he was able to move at 100 mph by throwing himself[16])

Mind you, webnovel Subaru is already FTE in arc 2.

Subsonic Subaru sounds fine to me

 

[VortechsTG]

Speed: Sub-Relativistic reaction speed (Was able to dodge[7] Wilhelm's attacks), Average Human combat speed with the Unseen Hand (The hands' speed is comparable to a punch[16]), Subsonic attack speed with the Unseen Hand (Objects thrown by the hands move faster than the hands themselves[16]; he was able to move at 100 mph by throwing himself[16])

This shit is so ass

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

The day Relativistic + Subaru gets accepted is the day this wiki scales Subaru being able to react to Elsa faster than Reinhard can

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

If you didn't know, that Rel + reaction speed is only good for like 1 short reaction and not continuous movements unless they got combat speed

instinctive action: am i a joke to you?

 

[Zabazab]

Possession resistance is fine. Especially with the Witch.

I don't agree that Beatrice should grant resistance. Petelgeuse's spiritual possession fails on Spirit Arts Users because his one-way Contract can't override a proper Spirit Contract.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I don't agree that Beatrice should grant resistance. Petelgeuse's spiritual possession fails on Spirit Arts Users because his one-way Contract can't override a proper Spirit Contract.

I’ll say I’m neutral on the idea but the scan really sounded like it was a limitation on how his one way contract based possession worked.

 

[VortechsTG]

I really don't get this logic. I keep hearing "it's just a limitation." You realize limitations are based on something, right? There wouldn't be a limitation if there weren't something there blocking them. This is like not giving a character heat resistance because it was stated the flames of a fire manipulator they're fighting aren't hot enough to burn them. Any character who also has a soul based possession will be blocked by the contract the same way. Sure, there are going to be other types of possession that won't be blocked, but that doesn't mean this isn't a resistance to this type of possession.