Real Life Big Animals CRT 2

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[Antvasima]

If you two have reached agreements here, they can probably be applied now, yes.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

If you two have reached agreements here, they can probably be applied now, yes.

Is it explicit that this post is ok to apply?

My friend and I wasn't talking about the suggested changes on the post directly; we were talking about RandomPlayer's suggestions and the anaconda's tier.

 

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bump; I'll be moving KE and Durability standards here. It will be there as a potential official page (maybe eventually, blog) to scale IRL animals and to follow in DarlingAurora's footsteps.

 

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Added section for the elephant and white rhino in link dump; bump.

 

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bump; added more to elephant and gorilla section in link dump.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Actually, assuming I'm not late to the party, I've figured out how to tier the West Indian Manatee profile

• AP: 10-A to 9-C (At the low-end strength, they weigh 200 kg and are at least 2.7 m long, making it stronger than a normal 84 kg man by weight & size. At most, they’ll be superhuman in weight at 600 kg and 3.5 m long)
• Durability: 10-A to 9-C (Has more surface area than a human. Their bones are very dense and solid. They also have a minimal fat layer, but should still have strong muscles due to their capacity to go at its top speed at its weight. Is mostly muscular despite their fat-like appearance)

 

[DarlingAurora]

Actually, assuming I'm not late to the party, I've figured out how to tier the West Indian Manatee profile

• AP: 10-A to 9-C (At the low-end strength, they weigh 200 kg and are at least 2.7 m long, making it stronger than a normal 84 kg man by weight & size. At most, they’ll be superhuman in weight at 600 kg and 3.5 m long)
• Durability: 10-A to 9-C (Has more surface area than a human. Their bones are very dense and solid. They also have a minimal fat layer, but should still have strong muscles due to their capacity to go at its top speed at its weight. Is mostly muscular despite their fat-like appearance)

I agree with 10-A for weakest ones

 

[Dalesean027]

Actually, assuming I'm not late to the party, I've figured out how to tier the West Indian Manatee profile

• AP: 10-A to 9-C (At the low-end strength, they weigh 200 kg and are at least 2.7 m long, making it stronger than a normal 84 kg man by weight & size. At most, they’ll be superhuman in weight at 600 kg and 3.5 m long)
• Durability: 10-A to 9-C (Has more surface area than a human. Their bones are very dense and solid. They also have a minimal fat layer, but should still have strong muscles due to their capacity to go at its top speed at its weight. Is mostly muscular despite their fat-like appearance)

This seems fine

 

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[Antvasima]

Your suggestions here can probably be applied now.

 

[R4ndomPlayer315]

So while doing a bit of research I came across this source, which is from an organization meaning it is reliable, it states that a silverback gorilla is >10 times stronger than a human, could use it to upgrade the gorilla.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

So while doing a bit of research I came across this source, which is from an organization meaning it is reliable, it states that a silverback gorilla is >10 times stronger than a human, could use it to upgrade the gorilla.

In SeththeProgrammer's research on the gorilla's strength in this video, how superhuman in strength the gorilla is varies by even credible sources. I predict similar results would happen if we try to go further on stuff like this. Nonetheless, the statement is more of supporting evidence to males, so it sounds acceptable.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Here to do more CRT sugggestions!

Spoiler: Fixing DarlingAurora's mildly outdated durability stuff on her profiles

• While influential when scaling the IRL verse, DarlingAurora is implied to miss the definition of durability, mistakenly equating it with survivability when an entity can survive something and not withstand 90% the attack by damage or effect. This has been shown in her profiles and her contributions in the spotted hyena from these edits and the replies supporting them. So I’ll fix her profiles as a good gesture and example.

However, I will also clean her 2 profiles for common editing mistakes, common grammar mistakes and to make the references simpler for future editors if anyone doesn’t mind.

And if anyone’s wondering, DarlingAurora doesn’t have her former pc (which, correct me if I’m wrong, also has a virus). But she can still reply into this CRT or make one if she has the time or courage/confidence to do one.

• Capybara durability reword (the pitbull scan is still in the ghostarchive; they do bite through dogs as confirmed by a credible source. However, the manner of how Capybaras survive Jaguar attacks is likely due to the increased vigilance and use of bodies of water in their environment. Due to the superior strength and predator adaptations of the Jaguar, I doubt that a Capy could withstand a full blow/bite from a Jaguar, so that part is going in the stamina section): “Can withstand attacks from pitbulls and other physically comparable capybaras (reference has these videos: 1 and 2)”
  • Pitbull additions (attack potency+lifting strength change (Varies from Below Average Human to Above Average Human)): (source) Females weigh 30-50 lb (13.6-22.7 kg) and are 17-20 in tall at the withers. Males weight 35-60 lb (15.9-27.2 kg) in and are 18-21 in tall at the withers. The average dog can pull 3-4 times their weight (), which usually makes the pitbull fall in this area. The friction coefficient and wheels can drastically reduce the overall force a thing is pulling, likely around this level
  • Husky lifting strength revamp (I thought my initial suggestion for the husky was outdated, through simple multiplication. Through people should be able to to simple multiplication for this reword): (Varies from Below Average Human to Above Average Human (The average dog can pull 3-4 times their weight (), which usually makes the husky fall in this area due to their average weight of 16-27 kg (Ar). The friction coefficient and wheels can drastically reduce the overall force a thing is pulling, likely around this level)
  • Coyote related stuff: Weight isn’t the only factor in strength, size is also a factor. I find it problematic that Coyotes are near the 10-B dogs in weight, which would mess up scaling since pitbulls and huskies should be stronger. So we should specify the further weight ranges from a quality, more (ironically) credible wikipedia article. “Coyote males average 8 to 20 kg (18 to 44 lb) in weight, while females average 7 to 18 kg (15 to 40 lb), though size varies geographically“ to rephrase in the Coyote page: “Size and weight varies on the subspecies. However, male coyotes weigh 8-20 kg (18-44 lb) and females weigh 7-18 kg (15-40 lb) on average. The largest coyote recorded weighed 34 kg (75 lb) and was 1.5 m (4 ft 11 in) in length from nose to tail.”
  • Capybara lifting strength support: can jump up to 3 ft (0.9144 m).
    • Attack potency: are easily stronger than smaller dogs like French Bulldogs…Their size and weight would give them the strength to physically contend with pitbulls of similar strength and they have physically contended with pitbulls evenly. As hierarchical animals (particularly in males), they’re willing to fight, overpower, or potentially harm other capybaras.
• And to note, by example, we have the Chimpanzee’s lifting strength as “can pull x times their weight, which usually falls in this range” by simple multiplication. So there shouldn’t be too much of a problem with their lifting strength being there without a calc.
• Also, while I do advocate for all sources we use in the real world “verse” to be credible, if a source has an author that isn’t an expert, then other experts from credible sources can be used to support the source that doesn’t have an expert in their field.
  • Red Fox durability reword (Yes, I’ve gone over the scans used to support the fox’s durability, and most of them surprisingly aged well. Though I’ll also add stuff with Red Foxes fighting each other): Can withstand full attacks from american badgers, golden eagles, physically comparable urban foxes (put in note: which are also called red foxes), and humans, albeit with a fraction of the energy from the kicks from lighter area of the leg and the human starting to show signs of old age. However, they are severely harmed by large dogs and car crashes.
  • AP support: Implied to be capable of harming other physically comparable red foxes, although they do’t usually fight to the death.

LS support: Can push and wrestle other physically comparable foxes.

Spoiler: Fixing my oversight and adding stuff to the Pigeon profile

Common Turkey:

• Common Turkeys should be 10-C, the 10-B stuff is actually piercing damage (give links to support the context why this is the case)
  • I’ve found that the Turkeys bruising humans is a result of their beaks and human’s clothing, not to mention it is in-character for them to do so. How about we add this to it’s piercing damage section:
    • (Can cause bruises in humans by pecking their clothed areas and can cause cuts in humans’s skin, which requires 100 psi)
  • And move the can bruise humans from it’s primary justification for attack potency section? Also, why not add this to their weaknesses section:
    • They’re hierarchal animals that are willing to attack people if they see them as lower than themselves

Pigeon: Update on pigeons; has ultraviolet vision (sense addition), and can fly and carry messages during natural disasters like floods and cyclones (stamina). Has had a cultural influence on cultures since ancient times as an icon and symbol, from ancient Egypt to the Old Testament. They’re also used as race participants in a rich industry called pigeon racing, with it’s popularity peaking in the 1960s (summary addition)

Spoiler: Scaling dinosaurs, realistic addition

Gigantosaurus

• It’s AP is supported by KE? Nope. It’s not adapted to withstand running into a heavy tree.
• Abilities addition: Bodily Weaponry (Up to 20 cm (8 in) serrated teeth, had sharp claws on each of it’s toes and fingers)
• AP: Wall level (Their size varied from being larger than or comparable to Tyrannosaurus in size and weight and had similar hunting habits to Tyrannosaurus. Weighed 7-8 tonnes and reached 12-13 m in length. The largest Gigantosaurus may have weighed 14 tonnes)
• Speed: still 31 mph as supported by the same source I’m using for their strength
• Lifting Strength: Varies (Depends on the weight and size of the dinosaur) from Class 5 normally to possibly Class 10 for the largest individuals (Larger or comparable to Tyrannosaurus)
• Durability: Wall level (Larger or comparable to Tyrannosaurus. However, Gigantosaurus hasn’t been shown to withstand charging into something solid at full speed or the like)
• Stamina: Even through we have a statement from a credible soure that they hunteing habit similar to tyrannsaurus, I’m hesitant to put Giganototsausus as athletic in stamina since we pretty much don’t have a complete skeleton for this dino. Also, there’s still differences between this dinosaur and the T Rex so I suggest: “Unknown, possibly Athletic (Stated to have similar hunting habits to the T. Rex, through what habits remain the same aren’t entirely specified. However, Gigantosaurus should be capable of surviving bites from other Gigantosaurus like any other Theropod, as it was theropods’ common method of attack to each other)”

Spinosaurus (Real World)

• Piercing damage/AP support: (Weight estimates varied from 4 to 20.9 metric tons (4.4-23 short tons) and length estimates varied from 12.6 to 18 m (41-59 ft), with most of them having at least a major flaw in their methodology in determining Spinosaurus’s weight. Despite the lack of a consensus of their actual weight and size, Spinosaurus is still widely regarded to be the largest carnivorous dinosaur. As a contender for the largest theropod dinosaur, it would make spinosaurus stronger than one of it’s 2 other largest carnivorous dinosaurs (Gigantosaurus and Tyrannosaurus). Was likely a generalized predator), higher via piercing damage (It’s bite force measured by Sakamoto was measured to be 4,829 N at the anterior and 11,936 N at the posterior
• Lifting Strength: At least Class 5 to possibly Class 10 (A contender for the largest theropod dinosaur and has consistently been regarded to be larger than Gigantosaurus and Tyrannosaurus despite the variable weight estimates on Spinosaurus)
• Speed: At least swimming speed Average Human in water (It’s big body size implied it would’ve needed a large river to live in, which would proportionally increase it’s river current speed. With normal fast river currents going as fast as 15 mph), far lower on land (Ditto as travel speed description on the original profile), Unknown combat speed (It’s bite force measured by Sakamoto asserts that made him imply that Spinosaurus killed it’s prey by rapidly snapping it’s jaws shut. Regularly attacked the fish of it’s habitat and Pterosaurs on occasion before they could react)
• Stamina: Superhuman (Spinosaurus should be capable of surviving bites from other Spinosaurus like any other Theropod, as it was theropods’ common method of attack to each other. Can fight river currents, with even smaller water currents of several feet in depth being capable of moving around multi-ton vehicles and overpowering human adults with ease)
• Durability: Wall level (Like Tyrannosaurus, Spinosaurus’s size and weight would make it capable of taking bites from other Spinosaurus only to have their skulls dented. They’re also far bigger than the Saltwater Crocodile)
• Add note: Spinosaurus is mostly known from incomplete remains, making sources vary or conflict over it’s potential strength and capabilities. What has been compiled on this profile is the most consistent amount of capabilities the dinosaur would’ve likely possessed.

• As a matter of fact, sources really conflict on Spinosaurus’ capabilities, so this is the most consistent stuff I could get.

Jurassic Sauropods (most notably, Brachiosaurus and Apatosaurus)

• AP support: Wall level (Their size dwarfed large sauropods of their time and is stated to be capable of inflicting potentially fatal strikes on them)
• LS support: At least Class 5 (Regarded and heavily implied to be stronger than large theropods of their time. However, it should be noted that their sheer size and speed would cause them to have trouble getting back up from the ground immediately) <- the last part can also bee noted as a weakness
• Dura support: Wall level (Implied to require a stronger musculoskeletal system to stay alive. A bite from a sauropod onto them would likely be insignificant in comparison to their weight and size, as adults are protected from predators due to this)

• “We need to verify that the “X to Y” tiers on the animal profiles imply that the tier/strength of the animal actually varies. I propose we copy-paste this to the major animal profiles and any animal profile that has tiers like “X to Y” tier before their aforementioned tiers:
  • ('''Varies''' (The physical strength tier/ratings varies for this animal due to the varying weight, strength per single unit of weight and/or size of this animal))”
  • And for durabililty in each other, that's already proportionally scaled to their AP via being able to take full hits from each other. But if necessary, let's add this at the beginning of the varied durability tiers of animals...
    • ('''Varies''' (Durability depends on the physical makeup and strength of the animal's body against force))

 

[DarlingAurora]

• Coyote related stuff: Weight isn’t the only factor in strength, size is also a factor. I find it problematic that Coyotes are near the 10-B dogs in weight, which would mess up scaling since pitbulls and huskies should be stronger.

For Western Coyotes sure, but Eastern ones even shares adn with wolves and are much more robust than Western Coyotes:

• In 2014, a DNA study of northeastern coyotes showed them on average to be a hybrid of western coyote (62%), western wolf (14%), eastern wolf (13%), and domestic dog (11%) in their nuclear genome. The hybrid swarm extended into the midwestern United States, with Ohio coyotes shown on average to be a hybrid of western coyote (66%), western wolf (11%), eastern wolf (12%), and domestic dog (10%) in their nuclear genome

Also, there so much weight difference between then and Western ones:

• Adult eastern coyotes are larger than western coyotes, weighing an average of 20–25 kilograms (45–55 lb), with female eastern coyotes weighing 21% more than male western coyotes.

And not only that, but there an big difference between their skulls density:

Not only that, but I don't think that an wild eastern coyote bigger than an husky should've weaker when their bones are much robust and larger than western ones, just look at the skull difference between these two subspecies.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

For Western Coyotes sure, but Eastern ones even shares adn with wolves and are much more robust than Western Coyotes:

• In 2014, a DNA study of northeastern coyotes showed them on average to be a hybrid of western coyote (62%), western wolf (14%), eastern wolf (13%), and domestic dog (11%) in their nuclear genome. The hybrid swarm extended into the midwestern United States, with Ohio coyotes shown on average to be a hybrid of western coyote (66%), western wolf (11%), eastern wolf (12%), and domestic dog (10%) in their nuclear genome

Also, there so much weight difference between then and Western ones:

• Adult eastern coyotes are larger than western coyotes, weighing an average of 20–25 kilograms (45–55 lb), with female eastern coyotes weighing 21% more than male western coyotes.

And not only that, but there an big difference between their skulls density:

Not only that, but I don't think that an wild eastern coyote bigger than an husky should've weaker when their bones are much robust and larger than western ones, just look at the skull difference between these two subspecies.

Will plan to add an at least 10-C female key/varies tier to the Husky and pitbull. Also, Since Huskies and Coyotes of the same weight can be considered to be physically comparable, a 25 kg coyote should have LS of 75-100 kg.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Also, I don' see the western coyote argument to be wrong, since their links are on the same article as the usual coyotes.

 

[Dalesean027]

Im still also following as well when yall need my input

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Added this link in the section with the capybara AP in my reply of lots of changes. Also, added stuff in the varies tier suggestions.

 

[Dalesean027]

Added this link in the section with the capybara AP in my reply of lots of changes.

Broken link for me

 

[H3110l12345I20]

I was in the middle of doing maintenence stuff lol. Thanks for the head up though.

 

[R4ndomPlayer315]

So while doing a bit of research I came across this source, which is from an organization meaning it is reliable, it states that a silverback gorilla is >10 times stronger than a human, could use it to upgrade the gorilla.

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[DarlingAurora]

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Original Source:

• These powerful males can be more than 10 times stronger than an average human.

It really upgrades them, though? I thought they were actually stronger than that.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

I should add that the 3x-4x weight part applies to average dogs, so above average dogs in strength would upscale from that. And I'm planning to discuss the border at which we define average dog and the tier of the velociraptor in my PMs with DarlingAurora and this discussion thread here.

 

[R4ndomPlayer315]

Original Source:

• These powerful males can be more than 10 times stronger than an average human.

It really upgrades them, though? I thought they were actually stronger than that.

Yeah it would upgrade them because their profile currently says that they're 6x stronger than the average human.

 

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[Dalesean027]

Sure the 10x seems fine

 

[Hortonhearsahoot]

Continuing from here, also my current suggestions here & on the Polar Bear's tier need to be evaluated.

Also, I'll need the American Bison's durability to have some support for it's own kinetic energy. But I'll post it later if I have the chance.

This is finished here:
American Bison: 9-B in AP & durability surprisingly for it's weight class, higher KE (There should be a link to it tanking a bull cattle charge to the head which the link is here. Although a scan of 2 buffalos instantly dying does exist, they're stated to be stronger than cattle, regularly butt heads against each other, & has a thick skull (their skull's frontal bones are up to 3.8 cm thick, consistent with the statement that their bones are 10 times harder than beef bones). They do charge at each other to display their fitness, but not to the death. It's hard to say that they can withstand a full head-to-head collision with each other despite their thick skulls. However, there is this instance of one Bison withstanding a charge from another one, so they do scale to the durability of their charges if one charged at a still one at full speed.

The scan for one withstanding ramming against a smaller, weaker bull still exists in the WABAC Machine. However, the bull was smaller)

I suggested this in a CRT, but I'll also ask for the Common Starfish, Seven-Eyed Star, and Crown-of-Thorns sea star to gain body control. Sea stars extend their stomach out of their mouth to digest prey (which falls under control over anatomical features), and even the Common Starfish's page somewhat says this.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

I suggested this in a CRT, but I'll also ask for the Common Starfish, Seven-Eyed Star, and Crown-of-Thorns sea star to gain body control. Sea stars extend their stomach out of their mouth to digest prey (which falls under control over anatomical features), and even the Common Starfish's page somewhat says this.

You should see the discussion rules first on CRTs. Get a credible source that shows this body control thing is the case for stuff like IRL.

 

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