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Reality Quest, Another Upgrade

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Dowan Ha:
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Moved to First Key, since it was first shown during his fight with Jung Seok.

Requested by XxZetsuxX


While checking the lifting strength feat where Dowan catches a desk, I noticed the calc also gives the desk’s speed (71 m/s). Since Dowan caught it mid-air, he should scale to that speed, so his speed in this key can be updated to around 71 m/s instead of the old value
First used in 3rd Key, not here
Removed from the profile since they belong to the System page

Dowan became much stronger after conquering the tower, so everything before that should be placed in his 3rd Key.




Improved Martial Arts and Acrobatics (Demonstrated moves similar to those used in the auto-battle system) to Accelerated Development

His clone had superior combat skill and the longer the fight lasted, the more he adapted till he surpassed and defeated it

Dowan already has: Purification (Type 3) - “Neutralizes all abnormal states except external wounds and diseases.”

The chemical LX7 affects Dowan and immediately causes dizziness and paralysis, Right after being affected, Circulation of Light automatically activates and removes all symptoms instantly, Additionally, LX7 is shown to cause hallucinations when affecting others

Resistance to Poison Manipulation, Illusion Creation and Paralysis Inducement (Neutralized the effects of LX7, a chemical toxin that induced dizziness, Paralysis, and hallucinations)

Resistance to Acid Manipulation (Unaffected by PB-3 cleaner, a chemical stated to melt the cornea)

Beginning of Season 2 will be renamed to Conqueror of Challenging Tower
And it will cover from the moment he conquered the tower till he get the Extraordinary Body

{{9-A}}, '''higher''' with Skills, {{8-C}} likely '''far higher''' with Choi Sun-Jae's Earrings


Tier: {{8-C}}, '''higher''' with skills, '''far higher''' while Empowered by killing intent


Reality Quest Physiology Page
The page name will be renamed to High Tier Physiology (Reality Quest)

Link: Old Profile | New Profile

Headquarters level:
Great Body Users:

Accelerated Development (Training - Great Body users grow much faster through training, allowing them to reach levels that others would require extreme effort or far longer time to achieve)


The System Page
Profile

Biological Manipulation (Granted Dowan the Extraordinary Body as a reward)



New Accepted Calc

@CatLover313 made a new recalc for this feat and asked for it to replace the old one. It uses Dowan’s 0.0291 s perception time, which was already agreed on in the previous CRT.

Agree (6): XxZetsuxX, Mercury009, DeltaStriker22, CatLover313, Gamin_Yoon23, Theglassman12 (agrees with 1 layer of fear)

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Disagree:
 
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Pedonar said:
9-A up to 8-C, higher with Skills, 8-C with Choi Sun-Jae's Earrings
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I'm not 100% on board with giving an 8-C rating to an S2 Dowan, considering the Extraordinary Body key is the one that performed the building-level feat. You can argue charge max shot, but even then, it's not 100% confirmed. I'd remake it like this:
9-A, higher with Skills, much higher with Critical Hit, 8-C with Choi Sun-Jae's Earrings
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The rest looks fine, I agree

Edit: High-Tiers (HQ level and relative) and above should also scale from the 8-C feat in the scaling note section for the verse too, almost forgot about that
 
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I don't think we should merge the Challenger's Tower key and the EB key since the stat boost Dowan gets is just insane. (9-A to 8-C)
It would be better to separate the two keys and merge the EB key with the killing intent key.

Homing Attack should get moved to the Dragon's nest key.
Also, I think it's better to keep the Auto Mode abilities on Dowan's page since that'd make it easier for people unfamiliar with the verse to get a grasp on his abilities during VS threads.
 
DeltaStriker22 said:
I don't think we should merge the Challenger's Tower key and the EB key since the stat boost Dowan gets is just insane. (9-A to 8-C)
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DeltaStriker22 said:
It would be better to separate the two keys and merge the EB key with the killing intent key.
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{{9-A}}, '''higher''' with Skills, {{8-C}} likely '''far higher''' with Choi Sun-Jae's Earrings | {{8-C}}, '''higher''' with skills, '''far higher''' while Empowered by killing intent
DeltaStriker22 said:
Homing Attack should get moved to the Dragon's nest key.
Also, I think it's better to keep the Auto Mode abilities on Dowan's page since that'd make it easier for people unfamiliar with the verse to get a grasp on his abilities during VS threads.
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The System already has its own profile, and I added a brief explanation with a direct link in his first key. There’s no need to repeat everything when readers can just click the link for full details
 
I'll look at the entire thread later or in a day (kind of busy with some other stuff), but if we're updating the Sunjae Synch with 8-C abilities, wouldn't this Vs Thread now be a stomp, and we would have to remove it from their profiles?
 
I was thinking of giving all Great Body users Accelerated Development, since the story hints at it multiple times.
  1. During Jung Seok’s second training, he improved way faster than before.
  2. It’s stated that Jung Seok’s growth potential is almost limitless. The story also says Great Body users aren’t all the same and can vary depending on the person, so even though only Jung Seok is confirmed limitless so far, they should still share that same general trait of having very high growth potential
  3. The story shows that someone with an Extreme Body has to train insanely hard just to approach what a Great Body can naturally reach. which implies that users of great body grow faster and more easily than others
  4. There’s also that scene where Dowan is compared to geniuses who can master any sport quickly. That feels like another hint that rapid growth is part of being a Great Body user.
So i think they should get Accelerated Development - Training
 
Just 3 things I want to point out (Mercury pointed out the 8-C one but I still want clarification):

1. For the New Aura Revision "Statistics Amplification (Releasing Killing Intent enhances the user’s physical capabilities)", wasn't the example more of a Sehee showing Sunjae's Speed Technique rather than the Killing Intent itself. I also thought it was referring to Sehee himself who's past showed that he loved violence and fighting and that the scene was showing him "letting loose" rather than an indication of every Killing Intent user increasing the user's stats.

2. For this part and it's justification "Awakened Power (According to the artist of Reality Quest, using Auto Mode mode temporarily brings out the maximum potential of the user's body)", from my Booster CRT, I thought illustrator comments were only usable if it included something about the Author and his thoughts (and even then, it's more a possibility rating). Not 100% sure about this 'justification'.

3. I agree with Mercury that it should be rewritten as "9-A, higher with Skills, much higher with Critical Hit, 8-C with Choi Sun-Jae's Earrings" as "9-A to 8-C" seems kind of misleading.

Otherwise, I agree with everything else.
 
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Why is Dowan's botanical garden punch listed under the Challenger Tower key's AP when the actual tier for the feat (8-C) is only given to Post-Extraordinary Body?
 
CatLover313 said:
Just 3 things I would to point out (Mercury pointed out the 8-C one but I still want clarification):

1. For the New Aura Revision "Statistics Amplification (Releasing Killing Intent enhances the user’s physical capabilities)", wasn't the example more of a Sehee showing Sunjae's Speed Technique rather than the Killing Intent itself. I also thought it was referring to Sehee himself who's past showed that he loved violence and fighting and that the scene was showing him "letting loose" rather than an indication of every Killing Intent user increasing the user's stats.
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He talks about Killing Intent first, then activates it, and right after that his performance increases. The “impulsive” line happens at the same time he releases Killing Intent.

He does use the speed technique, but the order makes it look like entering that state is what let him fight at that level, not just the technique alone. That’s why I linked it to Killing Intent instead of treating it as only a speed boost

CatLover313 said:
2. For this part and it's justification "Awakened Power (According to the artist of Reality Quest, using Auto Mode mode temporarily brings out the maximum potential of the user's body)", from my Booster CRT, I thought illustrator comments were only usable if it included something about the Author and his thoughts (and even then, it's more a possibility rating). Not 100% sure about this 'justification'.
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I’m fine changing it to possibly or removing it

CatLover313 said:
3. I agree with Mercury that it should be rewritten as "9-A, higher with Skills, much higher with Critical Hit, 8-C with Choi Sun-Jae's Earrings" as "9-A to 8-C" seems kind of misleading.

Otherwise, I agree with everything else.
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I changed it to:

{{9-A}}, '''higher''' with Skills, {{8-C}} likely '''far higher''' with Choi Sun-Jae's Earrings | {{8-C}}, '''higher''' with skills, '''far higher''' while Empowered by killing intent

I just forgot to update it
 
Pedonar said:
He talks about Killing Intent first, then activates it, and right after that his performance increases. The “impulsive” line happens at the same time he releases Killing Intent.

He does use the speed technique, but the order makes it look like entering that state is what let him fight at that level, not just the technique alone. That’s why I linked it to Killing Intent instead of treating it as only a speed boost


I’m fine changing it to possibly or removing it


I changed it to:

{{9-A}}, '''higher''' with Skills, {{8-C}} likely '''far higher''' with Choi Sun-Jae's Earrings | {{8-C}}, '''higher''' with skills, '''far higher''' while Empowered by killing intent

I just forgot to update it
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Fine with the other thing's then, for the second part, probably best to remove it unless we can find an in-story evidence?
 
CatLover313 said:
1. For the New Aura Revision "Statistics Amplification (Releasing Killing Intent enhances the user’s physical capabilities)", wasn't the example more of a Sehee showing Sunjae's Speed Technique rather than the Killing Intent itself. I also thought it was referring to Sehee himself who's past showed that he loved violence and fighting and that the scene was showing him "letting loose" rather than an indication of every Killing Intent user increasing the user's stats.
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Backreading on the chapter this was introduced (chapter 186 for anyone interested in getting the whole context), it is stated in the experiment narrated to start the premise of using Killing Intent in a fight that it does not, in fact, give anything but makes you more adept at pulling through with the kill. Source

So yeah, I agree that Seehee here was simply talking about the Killing Intent + Speed Technique he learned from Sunjae. The one thing you could use was impulsiveness = not holding back (which he did very often in S1), but that's kind of it

Pedonar said:
I’m fine changing it to possibly or removing it
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We do know that there is an actual increase in physical output from S1, so I think it's fine to keep the possibly (?) Source
 
Mercury009 said:
Backreading on the chapter this was introduced (chapter 186 for anyone interested in getting the whole context), it is stated in the experiment narrated to start the premise of using Killing Intent in a fight that it does not, in fact, give anything but makes you more adept at pulling through with the kill. Source

So yeah, I agree that Seehee here was simply talking about the Killing Intent + Speed Technique he learned from Sunjae. The one thing you could use was impulsiveness = not holding back (which he did very often in S1), but that's kind of it


We do know that there is an actual increase in physical output from S1, so I think it's fine to keep the possibly (?) Source
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I agree with this. Statistics Amplification should get removed as a sub-ability from Aura.

And since we know Auto Mode is stronger than base due to being able to use the full potential of Dowan's body, it qualifies for Awakened Power but we can't use the artist statement of it being a 2x stat boost unless we get some author statement that confirms how much stronger Auto Mode is compared to base.
 
The 8C feat happens after the Post-Extraordinary Body. So why is it 8C in the Beginning of Season 2?
 
Pedonar said:
Aura (Killing Intent; Fear-Inducing, Overwhelming - Characters comparable to High-Tier representative level can emit a killing intent aura that instinctively triggers fear responses in nearby beings, This presence can pressure opponents and animals alike as if they were sensing a predator, and can induce temporary cognitive dysfunction that causes hallucinations such as to visions of one's death)
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I don’t understand why Aura: Killing Intent is placed in the Post-Dragon’s Nest key, when Dowan actually unlocked it in the Extraordinary Body key during his fight with Ji Sung-Hyun.

Pedonar said:
With Heart of Giant Tree
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The same applies here. Even though he received the necklace in the Beginning of Season 2 key, he only started using it in the Extraordinary Body key during the fight with Ji Sung-Hyun. Therefore, I think it should be placed in the Extraordinary Body key.

As for the rest, overall I agree with it now.🥰
 
BlackCat said:
I don’t understand why Aura: Killing Intent is placed in the Post-Dragon’s Nest key, when Dowan actually unlocked it in the Extraordinary Body key during his fight with Ji Sung-Hyun.
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Killing Intent is a common ability among high-tier fighters. Some characters are aware of it and use it consciously, while others show it without really understanding it. Dowan became comparable to high tiers by the end of Season 1, before entering the Challenging Tower, which is why it’s placed there rather than tied to a later key.

Also, if Dowan never showed it before, that would just mean he didn’t have the mindset to use it yet. Killing Intent appears when someone genuinely wants to kill their opponent, and Dowan didn’t feel that way until his final fight

BlackCat said:
The same applies here. Even though he received the necklace in the Beginning of Season 2 key, he only started using it in the Extraordinary Body key during the fight with Ji Sung-Hyun. Therefore, I think it should be placed in the Extraordinary Body key.

As for the rest, overall I agree with it now.🥰
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He already had the necklace earlier. It was just first shown being used during the fight with Ji Sung-Hyun, so it makes more sense to list it from when he obtained it.
 
Pedonar said:
Killing Intent is a common ability among high-tier fighters. Some characters are aware of it and use it consciously, while others show it without really understanding it. Dowan became comparable to high tiers by the end of Season 1, before entering the Challenging Tower, which is why it’s placed there rather than tied to a later key.
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When was he considered a high tier by the end of S1 exactly? He did showcase some abilities of said rank with stuff like Auto Mode, definitely not on his own if I recall correctly
 
Mercury009 said:
When was he considered a high tier by the end of S1 exactly? He did showcase some abilities of said rank with stuff like Auto Mode, definitely not on his own if I recall correctly
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When he defeated husung kim
 
He definitely would not have done it without auto mode assistance, to be entirely fair. He was outclassed for the entire fight until the critical damage was applied, and crippled his fighting style. I think putting that ability while in Auto mode should be fine, and having it in "Base" Post-Tower would make more sense. Especially since to be considered a High-Tier, you need to scale to or above Ex representatives. Not to regular representatives.
High Tier Abilities are abilities all characters who scale to or above the Old Representatives automatically possess.
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Mercury009 said:
He definitely would not have done it without auto mode assistance, to be entirely fair. He was outclassed for the entire fight until the critical damage was applied, and crippled his fighting style. I think putting that ability while in Auto mode should be fine, and having it in "Base" Post-Tower would make more sense. Especially since to be considered a High-Tier, you need to scale to or above Ex representatives. Not to regular representatives.
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1. Husung Kim is stated to be a top-tier representative, comparable to Han Eun-Sung, so scaling to him still places Dowan within that level.

2. Auto Battle didn’t really carry the fight. The only real damage it caused was injuring Kim’s knees. The system itself even states that the power gap was too large, which forced Auto Mode to look for alternative ways to win, and even then it failed.

3. Dowan fought Kim while already at a disadvantage. After Auto Mode ended, his whole body was numb from the aftereffects, yet he continued fighting.

4. He didn’t defeat Kim with Critical Hit. Before the final exchange he only used Charge Shot once, and then continued the fight without using any skills (see chapter 117 for reference).

5. In the end, Dowan defeated Kim with a normal punch that created a strong shockwave, without using any skills. Since he was able to injure and defeat Kim directly, he should logically scale to him.
 
Pedonar said:
1. Husung Kim is stated to be a top-tier representative, comparable to Han Eun-Sung, so scaling to him still places Dowan within that level.
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We know he likes being humble. If we were actually comparable to a high tier, the fight would be a completely one-sided stomp

Pedonar said:
2. Auto Battle didn’t really carry the fight. The only real damage it caused was injuring Kim’s knees. The system itself even states that the power gap was too large, which forced Auto Mode to look for alternative ways to win, and even then it failed.
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The damage to his knees was fundamental. Throughout the entire fight, we know he relies mostly on kicking. By damaging his knees to the point he could hardly use them, Dowan eventually won. (Below the link to the images I'm referencing)

Pedonar said:
3. Dowan fought Kim while already at a disadvantage. After Auto Mode ended, his whole body was numb from the aftereffects, yet he continued fighting.
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True, although it wasn't as bad as the first time he used it. But that's due to willpower, not because of physical stats.

Pedonar said:
4. He didn’t defeat Kim with Critical Hit. Before the final exchange he only used Charge Shot once, and then continued the fight without using any skills (see chapter 117 for reference).
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Critical damage. Not a critical hit. Stated by the system to be "Fatal Blow from a perfect blind spot". Translation is a bit wonky; a friend of mine translated it to be critical damage from a blind spot, but you can argue it's almost the same thing anyway

Pedonar said:
5. In the end, Dowan defeated Kim with a normal punch that created a strong shockwave, without using any skills. Since he was able to injure and defeat Kim directly, he should logically scale to him.
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A weakened Kim who can't use his main martial art, who fought Automode for 2 minutes while the latter was receiving a physical amp (stated by the system) and using objects/surroundings because their physical gap was still too large. The fact that he can damage him without skills only means he scales to him in terms of physical prowess. I don't personally think it's enough to warrant high-tier abilities.

We see Auto Mode utilise High-Tier abilities before the fight, as well as knowing that S2 Dowan (post tower) is roughly equal to End of S1 Automode because of the system granting him "Auto mode power" (Significant stat increase) after clearing the dungeon and receiving no further power-ups before his fight with other High-Tiers, being all of the former reps. If we strictly limit High-Tier physiology (aka actual stats not abilities) to S1 end via Rage Power, I'm on board, not the rest tho
 
Mercury009 said:
We know he likes being humble. If we were actually comparable to a high tier, the fight would be a completely one-sided stomp


The damage to his knees was fundamental. Throughout the entire fight, we know he relies mostly on kicking. By damaging his knees to the point he could hardly use them, Dowan eventually won. (Below the link to the images I'm referencing)


True, although it wasn't as bad as the first time he used it. But that's due to willpower, not because of physical stats.


Critical damage. Not a critical hit. Stated by the system to be "Fatal Blow from a perfect blind spot". Translation is a bit wonky; a friend of mine translated it to be critical damage from a blind spot, but you can argue it's almost the same thing anyway


A weakened Kim who can't use his main martial art, who fought Automode for 2 minutes while the latter was receiving a physical amp (stated by the system) and using objects/surroundings because their physical gap was still too large. The fact that he can damage him without skills only means he scales to him in terms of physical prowess. I don't personally think it's enough to warrant high-tier abilities.

We see Auto Mode utilise High-Tier abilities before the fight, as well as knowing that S2 Dowan (post tower) is roughly equal to End of S1 Automode because of the system granting him "Auto mode power" (Significant stat increase) after clearing the dungeon and receiving no further power-ups before his fight with other High-Tiers, being all of the former reps. If we strictly limit High-Tier physiology (aka actual stats not abilities) to S1 end via Rage Power, I'm on board, not the rest tho
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I think the main issue here is how Auto Mode actually works.

Auto Mode doesn’t increase Dowan’s stats. The system itself says the power gap between Auto Mode and Kim was still huge, which is why it had to rely on alternative methods like using the surroundings. Because of that, Auto Mode itself wasn’t really comparable to Kim.

All Auto Mode does is control Dowan’s body and use it in the most efficient way possible. The reason it can use things like Aura is because Dowan’s body already has the potential for it, even if Dowan himself doesn’t consciously use it yet.

Auto Mode also didn’t defeat Kim. It only damaged his knees and still failed to win. In the end, Dowan himself defeated Kim while enraged.

So saying Auto Mode should get High-Tier abilities while Dowan shouldn’t feels inconsistent. Auto Mode < Kim, while Rage Dowan was able to defeat him.

Representative level abilities are mainly tied to scaling to that level physically, not whether a character consciously uses every single ability linked to it. Dowan already shows most of the traits for that level, like the physical scaling, creating shockwaves with his strikes, and not being affected by Kim’s aura.

The only thing he doesn’t show is consciously using aura, which seems more like a mindset limitation rather than him not being capable of it.
 
Pedonar said:
All Auto Mode does is control Dowan’s body and use it in the most efficient way possible. The reason it can use things like Aura is because Dowan’s body already has the potential for it, even if Dowan himself doesn’t consciously use it yet.
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It doesn't just control his body and increase his BIQ; it can also increase his stats to the maximum available value. Both the system in the story states it can increase his physical output, as well as the artist outright stating: "Automode is roughly a x2 amp". It's basically can use the muscles to their full potential, with all the repercussions that come with it, similar to adrenaline.

Pedonar said:
Auto Mode also didn’t defeat Kim. It only damaged his knees and still failed to win. In the end, Dowan himself defeated Kim while enraged.
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Auto Mode ran out before he could finish the job, so that's not entirely truthful.

Pedonar said:
So saying Auto Mode should get High-Tier abilities while Dowan shouldn’t feels inconsistent. Auto Mode < Kim, while Rage Dowan was able to defeat him.
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The fight wasn't just Auto mode and Dowan. It was Auto Mode followed by Dowan. This is a Gojo vs Sukuna vs The guantlet situation. Just because X person made the final blow, it doesn't mean they scale higher or equal to the previous person who did the vast majority of the damage.

Pedonar said:
The only thing he doesn’t show is consciously using aura, which seems more like a mindset limitation rather than him not being capable of it.
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That I agree with, that's why I'm saying it's best to keep it separated
 
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Theglassman12 said:
Not sure I follow the 2 layers of fear hax for the final key, looks more like 1 layer to me, other than that everything else looks ok at a glance.
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When Dowan was empowered by Killing Intent Mode, he was able to cancel and overpower the killing intent of a Headquarters-level opponent. Since Headquarters fighters can already overpower representatives and resist each other’s aura, affecting one of them should count as 2 layers of fear manipulation.
 
I actually clicked on Dowan's new profile, and I just realized that some of the speed ratings gave him Hypersonic+ and 8775+ m/s. Feel like we should keep the speed portion the same as the old profile. Feels too "calc-stacky", assuming that every growth form of his makes him faster than his previous booster speed in his new base form (besides EB Dowan being faster than his 3rd Growth with Boosters due to Dowan's statement and MAYBE 2nd Growth Base Dowan being faster than 1st Growth Dowan with Boosters due to Gwang-kim scaling)

Felt like that should be another discussion, or these changes should've been shown in this thread. Better to just keep the old speed ratings so we don't get any issues.
 
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CatLover313 said:
I actually clicked on Dowan's new profile, and I just realized that some of the speed ratings gave him Hypersonic+ and 8775+ m/s. Feel like we should keep the speed portion the same as the old profile. Feels too "calc-stacky", assuming that every growth form of his makes him faster than his previous booster speed in his new base form (besides EB Dowan being faster than his 3rd Growth with Boosters due to Dowan's statement and MAYBE 2nd Growth Base Dowan being faster than 1st Growth Dowan with Boosters due to Gwang-kim scaling)
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it’s the same logic as before.

For the earlier keys, I just updated the base to 71 m/s and applied the same Booster multiplier x5, so it goes to 355 m/s, then 1775 m/s. Nothing new there,

For the later keys it comes from scaling, Headquarters are stated to be on a completely different level physically compared to high tiers, so they should scale above the Old Representatives.

Since Old Representatives are around 1755 m/s, that becomes the base, and then with Boosters = 8,775 m/s
 
Pedonar said:
it’s the same logic as before.

For the earlier keys, I just updated the base to 71 m/s and applied the same Booster multiplier x5, so it goes to 355 m/s, then 1775 m/s. Nothing new there,

For the later keys it comes from scaling, Headquarters are stated to be on a completely different level physically compared to high tiers, so they should scale above the Old Representatives.

Since Old Representatives are around 1755 m/s, that becomes the base, and then with Boosters = 8,775 m/s
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I understand the logic, not sure how much we can stack a multiplied number with the same multiplier, considering Booster itself is a Possibly 5x (sometimes I see 1 step chainscale off a possibly rating being the cut-off, sometimes 2 steps). My bigger issue was that such a big change to the speed portion should've been on the original post of this thread, as I assumed (likely others too), only the changes on the original post would be what changed in the new profile. Though if the thread moderators actually saw the speed change after looking at the two profiles and still approved of it, then I won't argue.
 
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