Redeemed Warrior massive upgrade

[Walker66]

Alright, so in the multiplayer there is also a part called 'Forum of Hercules' where you fight Hercules and his minions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dStintcUvh4

Since the Redeemed Warrior is cappable of beating Hercules I think that his stats of Attack Potency, Sriking Strenght and Durability should be increased to Multi-Continent level, his speed to Massively Hypersonic+ and his Lifting Strength should possibly also be increased to Hercules' level or at least near it to Class P, possibly Class E.

I think this is a logical conclusion since he is able to fight Hercules and beat him.

Note: Also, the quote is not "Glory to Olympus!" but "Glory be to Olympus!"

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

I asked Kepekley about this if this could be an outlier, and he confirmed that it is an outlier. I'll post the blog that confirmed this.

 

[Walker66]

Is that so? I would very much like to see it.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Kepekley23/Redeemed_Warrior_(God_of_War)_DRAFT

Possibly an outlier because they only did it once and have never fought anyone like him throughout their lives. It must be consistent, they should be constantly fighting High 6-As like Kratos.

 

[Walker66]

I don't think that argument stands. Just because he never fought anyone like Hercules again doesn't mean he wouldn't be able to. It's like saying Hercules holding the sky is an outlier because he never lifted anything as heavy. Just because they don't have feats as impressive it doesn't mean they can't do it again, it's just that nothing else really compares.

 

[Kepekley23]

Hercules never held the Earth on God of War, so that's a bit of a false equivalence.

 

[Walker66]

I was using Hercules from the myth as an example, which is why I said the Sky, not the Earth. But you kinda missed the point. I could have easily used Invincible as another example seeing as he only destroyed a planet (or at least the third of it) once and never did anything nearly as impressive again. Does that mean he can't do it again? Not really, it's just that he didn't do anything on that level after that.

Not really related to the topic, for the God of War Hercules, while the game does differentiate from the original myth the 12 labors still happened so he more than likely did hold the Earth instead of Atlas for a short while as nothing was mentioned that contradicted that part.

 

[Kepekley23]

WoG confirms that the Warriors are supposed to be weaker than Castor and Pollux though. And the demigods, such as Perseus and Theseus are mentioned in the lore of the multiplayer and they're roughly on the Redeemed Warrior's level. Despite that, Theseus is still beaten by a depowered, 7-B Kratos.

Also, Hercules's physical strength puts him up there, if not higher than the higher tier gods like Hades and Poseidon. The Redeemed Warrior is clearly not on the level of a God. He's bound to them.

 

[Kepekley23]

> Not really related to the topic, for the God of War Hercules, while the game does differentiate from the original myth the 12 labors still happened so he more than likely did hold the Earth instead of Atlas for a short while as nothing was mentioned that contradicted that part.

Nope, Atlas is chained to position unlike myth, and when you get to him in GoW2 all of his chains are still intact.

 

[Kepekley23]

Also, to really put the matter to a close, that fight is supposed to be taking place roughly 23 years before God of War 3, where Hercules has already completed all his labors. So Hercules undoubtedly got way stronger since his fight with the Redeemed Warrior. In fact, he isn't killed here, just KO'd. So it fits nicely with the multiplayer being canon

It's ultimately unquantifiable and not High 6-A.

 

[Walker66]

And the demigods, such as Perseus and Theseus are mentioned in the lore of the multiplayer and they're roughly on the Redeemed Warrior's level. Despite that, Theseus is still beaten by a depowered, 7-B Kratos.

Actually, according to this site in GoW2 Kratos is High 6-A. Not to mention Theseus was an old man when they fought so he wasn't at his peak.

Hercules's physical strength puts him up there, if not higher than the higher tier gods like Hades and Poseidon. The Redeemed Warrior is clearly not on the level of a God. He's bound to them.

Being bound to them is not proof he is that much weaker than them. Serving someone doesn't show disparity in strenght. Even in game Ares had Kratos bound to him yet still wanted to make him powerful enough to bring siege to Olympus.

Atlas is chained to position unlike myth, and when you get to him in GoW2 all of his chains are still intact

The chains could also have been undone and then put back again. The chains were even in different positions from GoW2 and Chains of Olympus. In Chains of Olympus the chains are wrapped below his wrists but the chain broken in GoW2 is located on his palm. Not to mention that Atlas has even more chains in GoW2

http://www.everlastingbacklog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/atlas-588x331.jpg

that fight is supposed to be taking place roughly 23 years before God of War 3, where Hercules has already completed all his labors. So Hercules undoubtedly got way stronger since his fight with the Redeemed Warrior. In fact, he isn't killed here, just KO'd

That's speculation at best. Unlike Kratos there is no evidence of Hercules being any different than from the two time periods. Him being KO'd has nothing to do with anything. You don't need to outright kill someone to be at his level.

 

[Kepekley23]

> Actually, according to this site in GoW2 Kratos is High 6-A.

He is only High 6-A near the end of the game. In the beginning he was depowered and reduced to his Demigod self. Kratos gets huge power boosts even within a single game. In the beginning he couldn't even budge Typhon's fingers - the same Typhon who by feats is genero7sly tier 6, tanking a large mountain being tossed at him and via scaling to Thera. By the end of the game he contends with Atlas in strength, who is confirmed by Word of God to be the strongest Titan.

> Being bound to them is not proof he is that much weaker than them. Serving someone doesn't show disparity in strenght. Even in game Ares had Kratos bound to him yet still wanted to make him powerful enough to bring siege to Olympus.

1. Ares's scheme was to try and make a warrior with his twisted view of a perfect mindset, ie. a warrior who cared for nothing other than bloodlust and the heat of battle. His method of training said warrior is unexplained.

2. Poseidon's Rage, a magic ability that Demigod Kratos has that scales above the Redeemed Warrior, is stated to be only a fraction of Poseidon's power. This suggests the powers granted to the Champions by the Gods are a mere fraction of their own, which is even further supported below.

3. Word of God establishes that the Warriors of Zeus are granted only a fraction of Zeus's speed, even when amped. Which should already show you they're not even close to the Gods with their granted powers.

> The chains could also have been undone and then put back again. The chains were even in different positions from GoW2 and Chains of Olympus. In Chains of Olympus the chains are wrapped below his wrists but the chain broken in GoW2 is located on his palm. Not to mention that Atlas has even more chains in GoW2

He doesn't have more chains in GoW2. That's just because the PSP's limitations prevent the gameplay from showing much in the way of in-gameplay action. The cutscene where Kratos and Atlas speak to each other after Persephone's death shows Atlas with the same amount of chains as in God of War 2:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128614/4017378-2532318936-Pilla.jpg

> That's speculation at best. Unlike Kratos there is no evidence of Hercules being any different than from the two time periods. Him being KO'd has nothing to do with anything. You don't need to outright kill someone to be at his level.

Nope. Kratos was the God of War for at least 13 years as revealed in God of War 3, and Ascension takes place ten years before God of War 1, which is when he was crowned the God of War.

Herules himself states that he was sent to retrieve the apple at the same time Kratos was being crowned the God of War. So Ascension takes place at least a full ten years before Hercules's labors ever take place.

There is zero reason to assume Hercules didn't get stronger. The fight between him and the Redeemed Warrior is canon to God of War's lore, and it took place long before he ever did anything impressive. So the burden of proof is on you to prove Hercules was already that strong back then.

Hercules's world holding feat clashes with the God of War lore anyway, so it's very unlikely it happened.

 

[Kepekley23]

Of course, I'm not denying that GoW3 Hercules is able to hold the world. By feats it's definitely true, since Hercules did better against Kratos than Hades - even overpowered him, which Hades never did -, who is comparable to Cronos in raw physicals.

 

[Walker66]

He is only High 6-A near the end of the game. In the beginning he was depowered and reduced to his Demigod self. Kratos gets huge power boosts even within a single game. In the beginning he couldn't even budge Typhon's fingers - the same Typhon who by feats is genero7sly tier 6, tanking a large mountain being tossed at him and via scaling to Thera

Besides getting some magic Kratos's power has never shown to increase his power. The situation with Typhon more or less something game convenient so he can get more powers. Plus Typhon was imprisoned after battling Zeus and if it's anything like in the mythology he should be comparable to Zeus (and before you say that Atlas is stronger, Nathan Gary only said that strenght wise Atlas is slightly stronger than Cronos, he didn't mention anything about them being the strongest titans). Kratos has never shown any increase in power and the abilties he gets don't increase his power they just give him a bigger quantity of abilities.

Ares's scheme was to try and make a warrior with his twisted view of a perfect mindset, ie. a warrior who cared for nothing other than bloodlust and the heat of battle. His method of training said warrior is unexplained

And what good is an enraged warrior if he has no power to do anything?

Poseidon's Rage, a magic ability that Demigod Kratos has that scales above the Redeemed Warrior, is stated to be only a fraction of Poseidon's power.

So what? That doesn't mean that that single ability is the most of the Warrior's phyisical power just that it's not as impressive as the gods' ability.

Word of God establishes that the Warriors of Zeus are granted only a fraction of Zeus's speed, even when amped

The Redeemed Warrior is already fast to begin with, the gods don't grant them their entire speed.

The cutscene where Kratos and Atlas speak to each other after Persephone's death shows Atlas with the same amount of chains as in God of War 2

No, he doesn't. You can clearly see that he has chains on all his arms while in Chains of Olympus he only has on his front arms. Not to mention he has multiple chains gathering from several directions

Ascension takes place at least a full ten years before Hercules's labors ever take place

No, the labors were already taking place, which is why you see him wearing the Nemean Cestus which are weapons gained AFTER he slew the Nemean Lion.

So the burden of proof is on you to prove Hercules was already that strong back the

There is no evidence that suggests that Hercules got any power increases between the two times. Doing something impressive later doesn't mean he was incappable of doing it before it's just that he has only recently got to the point in doing so.