Regarding 1-A and BDE.

[Mythic381]

Is any character that is ontologically 1-A (meaning without the bypass of using a 1-A metaphysical aspect) automatically given type 3 BDE? This is mostly due to my limited understanding of Marvel and DC scaling, as most characters seem to have 1-A "physical" capabilities, though don't showcase any of the 2 examples that are said to bypass the idea of something not being able to become 1-A. These characters have keys that put them in below 1-A tiers, yet also give them 1-A tiers in other keys, despite not actually being empowered to a higher degree of reality, those characters also don't have type 3 BDE.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Honestly Marvel and DC is such a mixed bag, a lot of profiles are severely outdated and a lot of stuff might've been accepted and/or swept under the rug due to the sheer scale of those two verses. Afaik, like BDE 2, a character can only obtain type 3 when they are physically 1A. So, if they're anything less than that, or merely use abilities given by a 1A character then they won't have BDE 3

 

[Mythic381]

Honestly Marvel and DC is such a mixed bag, a lot of profiles are severely outdated and a lot of stuff might've been accepted and/or swept under the rug due to the sheer scale of those two verses.

A while ago when I saw the 1-A standards, I simply assumed that Marvel and DC were simply too large that the moderators just didn't want to edit all of them, but I started seeing more threads still with 1-A stuff, so I'm not sure if that's really the case.

Afaik, like BDE 2, a character can only obtain type 3 when they are physically 1A. So, if they're anything less than that, or merely use abilities given by a 1A character then they won't have BDE 3

So any character with 1-A physicals is automatically given Type 3 BDE

 

[Hecky2222]

So any character with 1-A physicals is automatically given Type 3 BDE

yes

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

A while ago when I saw the 1-A standards, I simply assumed that Marvel and DC were simply too large that the moderators just didn't want to edit all of them, but I started seeing more threads still with 1-A stuff, so I'm not sure if that's really the case.

Welp...

So any character with 1-A physicals is automatically given Type 3 BDE

Yeah, same with L1A and BDE2, so long as the character fully scales in a physical sense/state of being they are given either or by default

 

[Mythic381]

Let's see how long we can wait before a reply from a knowledgeable Marvel/DC scaler comes ig...

 

[Hecky2222]

we can wait before a reply from a knowledgeable Marvel/DC scaler comes ig...

can you btw point out exactly which profiles?

 

[Osemere]

Marvel’s 1-A ratings come from before the tiering system revisions and DC is basically abandoned on this wiki

 

[Mythic381]

can you btw point out exactly which profiles?

I think every character that inherently exists in the main realms we see (the universes where the heroes reside) that are 1-A.

 

[Mythic381]

can you btw point out exactly which profiles?

To be more specific on some marvel characters and dc characters having other tiers in their keys alongside 1-A:

• Hulk:

| Varies from 5-B to 3-C, High 3-A to 1-A with Rage Power | Varies from High 3-A to 1-A with Rage Power | Varies from 3-C to High 3-A up to 1-A with Rage Power

• Thor:

Low 1-A to 1-A at peak and with God Blast, up to 1-A with the Phoenix Force | Varies up to Low 1-A | Low 1-A, 1-A via absorption and God Blast | 1-A

are some examples from marvel.

• Flash:

Tier: Varies with Speed, up to 2-A. High 1-A with the Entire Speed Force

• Flash (Wally West):

Tier: Varies with speed, up to 2-A, higher with Speed Steal. High 1-A with Environmental Destruction and the Entire Speed Force

In general I don't see how 1-A makes sense for either verses at all. Regularly do all characters who are 1-A and non-1-A interact in the same realms, which should be physically impossible.

 

[Vesxpura]

This makes me wonder whether you can have layers of bde type 3

 

[Hecky2222]

whether you can have layers of bde type 3

Both Type 2 and Type 3 can contain layers within themselves. For example, Type 3 begins at baseline 1-A. If a being, through qualitative superiority exists above the reality and nature of baseline 1-A, it would occupy a higher layer and thereby making the Type 3 also higher. Essentially, there is a direct connection between Type 3 and where a character or object stands qualitatively.

Ig bro

In general I don't see how 1-A makes sense for either verses at all. Regularly do all characters who are 1-A and non-1-A interact in the same realms, which should be physically impossible.

Most of them shouldn't be 1-A js outdated by current 1-A standards.

 

[Mythic381]

I also forgot to mention that there's even a character, who is only 1-A in a specific realm that they can enter without achieving any sort of transcendence.

(I'm using this as a bumping method)

 

[Rgerdeena]

To be more specific on some marvel characters and dc characters having other tiers in their keys alongside 1-A:

• Hulk:

• Thor:

are some examples from marvel.

• Flash:

• Flash (Wally West):

In general I don't see how 1-A makes sense for either verses at all. Regularly do all characters who are 1-A and non-1-A interact in the same realms, which should be physically impossible.

Hulk and Thor shouldn’t be 1-A tbh since abstracts m bodies aren’t always 1-A and that’s mostly what their scaling to, flash is a weird case because dc profiles are outdated and the speed force is wonky

I also forgot to mention that there's even a character, who is only 1-A in a specific realm that they can enter without achieving any sort of transcendence.

(I'm using this as a bumping method)

That realm is 1-A because of transcending low 1-A realms, so like with hulk and Thor it shouldn’t be 1-A, also please don’t use the gag character as an anti feat

With marvel it’s primarily just that 1-A got handed out way too much via scaling to the abstracts, and said abstracts are normally just avatars that the actual abstracts are able to make not 1-A, with dc their just heavily outdated

 

[Mythic381]

That realm is 1-A because of transcending low 1-A realms, so like with hulk and Thor it shouldn’t be 1-A, also please don’t use the gag character as an anti feat

I'm not using gags here. My point is that for 1-A, you explicitly can not be a non-1-A being and be able to enter 1-A realms without inherently being empowered to enter one. Gwenpool outside of that realm is not 1-A.

 

[Rgerdeena]

I'm not using gags here. My point is that for 1-A, you explicitly can not be a non-1-A being and be able to enter 1-A realms without inherently being empowered to enter one. Gwenpool outside of that realm is not 1-A.

First of all Gwenpool is a gag character so using her at all is using gags, second of all I was joking about the fact that you can’t use gag characters for your argument, third of all she’s 1-A with powers and via entering gutter space under current scaling so I’m not sure where you got she’s only 1-A in gutter space

 

[Mythic381]

she’s 1-A with powers

That doesn't really much, as my point here is about the fact she still physically scales to 1-A in the Gutter Space, which is contradictory to 1-A.

 

[Rgerdeena]

That doesn't really much, as my point here is about the fact she still physically scales to 1-A in the Gutter Space, which is contradictory to 1-A.

Her powers apply to her physicals they just aren’t always active, anyways can we not argue about whether or not the character/realm who’s scaling to low 1-A stuff is contradictory to 1-A, because either way she isn’t 1-A because she doesn’t scale to the 1-A stuff so it’s redundant to go back and forth on it

 

[Excellence616]

To be more specific on some marvel characters and dc characters having other tiers in their keys alongside 1-A:

• Hulk:

Gamma is a 1-A energy source.

• Thor:

An Elder God- Asgardian Hybrid and can tap into the power of the phoenix force

are some examples from marvel.

• Flash:

• Flash (Wally West):

The Speed Force is 1-A.

In general I don't see how 1-A makes sense for either verses at all. Regularly do all characters who are 1-A and non-1-A interact in the same realms, which should be physically impossible.

It makes sense if what empowers them is 1-A.

 

[Mythic381]

Her powers apply to her physicals they just aren’t always active

I don't see how that makes sense, especially if the standards for qualitative superiority clearly mention you can't have 1-A physicals if you aren't already 1-A or empowered by a 1-A to a higher reality, as the powers being 1-A could only apply to a metaphysical aspect.

It makes sense if what empowers them is 1-A.

Yes, but I'm pretty sure it specifically needs to either empower them by making them ascend to a 1-A realm, or giving them a metaphysical potential rooted from a higher reality. The pages make practically explain it being physical.

Outerverse level (He fought on par with a full-powered Odinforce Thor, and empowered a force field that temporarily halted the Celestial known as Exitar, who was much larger than the Earth. Matched blows with Onslaught and destroyed his physical form, who had absorbed and drew upon the powers of Franklin Richards. Broke the unbreakable chain of eternity used on him by the Eldest that was made from The First Firmament with Rage Power

 

[Rgerdeena]

I don't see how that makes sense, especially if the standards for qualitative superiority clearly mention you can't have 1-A physicals if you aren't already 1-A or empowered by a 1-A to a higher reality, as the powers being 1-A could only apply to a metaphysical aspect.

her plot powers are the 1-A thing that empowers her physicals to become 1-A, and once again can we not debate whether or not the character scaling to low 1-A stuff contradicts 1-A, because once again either way she isn’t 1-A

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Eh I dont really see an issue with gwenpools 1-A. If she has 1-A powers inherent to her then you give benefit of the doubt and say she also becomes qualitatively higher when entering gutter space.

 

[Mythic381]

Eh I dont really see an issue with gwenpools 1-A. If she has 1-A powers inherent to her then you give benefit of the doubt and say she also becomes qualitatively higher when entering gutter space.

I'd still question where the 1-A powers actually come from, since you can't just seemingly have 1-A powers out of no where.

Also from what I've understood from her page, some of her 1-A feats don't seem to happen in Gutter Space and are just physical feats?

Outerverse level with her powers (Defeated Ultron, Malekith and Magneto by ramming them over on Silver Surfer's board. Knocked out Mephisto in Hell)

 

[Rgerdeena]

I'd still question where the 1-A powers actually come from, since you can't just seemingly have 1-A powers out of no where.

you’re going to have to ask a Gwenpool expert for that, unfortunately I’m not a Gwenpool expert and am just using what’s on her profile

Also from what I've understood from her page, some of her 1-A feats don't seem to happen in Gutter Space and are just physical feats?

Outerverse level with her powers (Defeated Ultron, Malekith and Magneto by ramming them over on Silver Surfer's board. Knocked out Mephisto in Hell)

Ultron is high 3-A, magneto is physically 9-A, mephisto is low 1-A, like I said before she shouldn’t be 1-A either way because she isn’t scaling to 1-A stuff