Regarding 1-A and BDE.

[Mythic381]

Is any character that is ontologically 1-A (meaning without the bypass of using a 1-A metaphysical aspect) automatically given type 3 BDE? This is mostly due to my limited understanding of Marvel and DC scaling, as most characters seem to have 1-A "physical" capabilities, though don't showcase any of the 2 examples that are said to bypass the idea of something not being able to become 1-A. These characters have keys that put them in below 1-A tiers, yet also give them 1-A tiers in other keys, despite not actually being empowered to a higher degree of reality, those characters also don't have type 3 BDE.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Honestly Marvel and DC is such a mixed bag, a lot of profiles are severely outdated and a lot of stuff might've been accepted and/or swept under the rug due to the sheer scale of those two verses. Afaik, like BDE 2, a character can only obtain type 3 when they are physically 1A. So, if they're anything less than that, or merely use abilities given by a 1A character then they won't have BDE 3

 

[Mythic381]

Honestly Marvel and DC is such a mixed bag, a lot of profiles are severely outdated and a lot of stuff might've been accepted and/or swept under the rug due to the sheer scale of those two verses.

A while ago when I saw the 1-A standards, I simply assumed that Marvel and DC were simply too large that the moderators just didn't want to edit all of them, but I started seeing more threads still with 1-A stuff, so I'm not sure if that's really the case.

Afaik, like BDE 2, a character can only obtain type 3 when they are physically 1A. So, if they're anything less than that, or merely use abilities given by a 1A character then they won't have BDE 3

So any character with 1-A physicals is automatically given Type 3 BDE

 

[Hecky2222]

So any character with 1-A physicals is automatically given Type 3 BDE

yes

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

A while ago when I saw the 1-A standards, I simply assumed that Marvel and DC were simply too large that the moderators just didn't want to edit all of them, but I started seeing more threads still with 1-A stuff, so I'm not sure if that's really the case.

Welp...

So any character with 1-A physicals is automatically given Type 3 BDE

Yeah, same with L1A and BDE2, so long as the character fully scales in a physical sense/state of being they are given either or by default

 

[Mythic381]

Let's see how long we can wait before a reply from a knowledgeable Marvel/DC scaler comes ig...

 

[Hecky2222]

we can wait before a reply from a knowledgeable Marvel/DC scaler comes ig...

can you btw point out exactly which profiles?

 

[Osemere]

Marvel’s 1-A ratings come from before the tiering system revisions and DC is basically abandoned on this wiki

 

[Mythic381]

can you btw point out exactly which profiles?

I think every character that inherently exists in the main realms we see (the universes where the heroes reside) that are 1-A.

 

[Mythic381]

can you btw point out exactly which profiles?

To be more specific on some marvel characters and dc characters having other tiers in their keys alongside 1-A:

• Hulk:

| Varies from 5-B to 3-C, High 3-A to 1-A with Rage Power | Varies from High 3-A to 1-A with Rage Power | Varies from 3-C to High 3-A up to 1-A with Rage Power

• Thor:

Low 1-A to 1-A at peak and with God Blast, up to 1-A with the Phoenix Force | Varies up to Low 1-A | Low 1-A, 1-A via absorption and God Blast | 1-A

are some examples from marvel.

• Flash:

Tier: Varies with Speed, up to 2-A. High 1-A with the Entire Speed Force

• Flash (Wally West):

Tier: Varies with speed, up to 2-A, higher with Speed Steal. High 1-A with Environmental Destruction and the Entire Speed Force

In general I don't see how 1-A makes sense for either verses at all. Regularly do all characters who are 1-A and non-1-A interact in the same realms, which should be physically impossible.

 

[Vesxpura]

This makes me wonder whether you can have layers of bde type 3

 

[Hecky2222]

whether you can have layers of bde type 3

Both Type 2 and Type 3 can contain layers within themselves. For example, Type 3 begins at baseline 1-A. If a being, through qualitative superiority exists above the reality and nature of baseline 1-A, it would occupy a higher layer and thereby making the Type 3 also higher. Essentially, there is a direct connection between Type 3 and where a character or object stands qualitatively.

Ig bro

In general I don't see how 1-A makes sense for either verses at all. Regularly do all characters who are 1-A and non-1-A interact in the same realms, which should be physically impossible.

Most of them shouldn't be 1-A js outdated by current 1-A standards.

 

[Mythic381]

I also forgot to mention that there's even a character, who is only 1-A in a specific realm that they can enter without achieving any sort of transcendence.

(I'm using this as a bumping method)