Regarding Goku vs Odin

[Ryukama]

So as we know Odin currently has a victory listed against Son Goku. I feel that this match up should be removed for the following reasons.

1. It is protocol to remove match-ups that have become outdated, such as this one has become.

2. Not only is the thread centered around outdated information (such as Goku being now having Universe level AP plus potential immunity to time hax and Odin now having MHS combat speed) but there was much information which even at the time was false.

A main point of reasoning for a bunch of the votes were that Goku and Odin had similar AP thus Odin's hax takes the win. "Untold galaxies" does not remotely translate to around 1/6 the universe. 3-B is a very broad category and people within that tier can still easily one shot each other. However most people were saying Odin and Goku could match each other in AP, despite Odin never showing or being stated to be at that level. That on top of comments with blatantly inacurate information such as "Odin blinks Goku out of existence" being counted as votes.

Because of this I believe that this match up should be removed and if anyone would want to, make a rematch with the new and up to date stats in consideration.

 

[Numbersguy]

I can agree, Goku currently is 3-A... while Odin is 3-B.

But, it can still remain as one of his losses because they didn't use "current Goku"

 

[Penguinkingpin]

Fully agree, and Goku did beat Thor when he had the Odin Force, so...

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Even though i believe the verdict is still correct via vastly superior hax and Goku's hax resistance is very small, you have a point. It should probably be redone, but I'm pretty sure that Goku will win for...reasons. At least his loss to the Flash is still accurate. Shows that he's only nigh invincible, unless he gets infinite speed.

 

[SomebodyData]

I also agree in the recreation of the vs thread

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Hmm. Given Ryu's points, i suppose we can take it out.

If anyone really does want to redo the fight, it's their choice.

 

[FanofRPGs]

I say we should wait to see how Goku resisted his Hax

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Odin's or Hit's?

 

[FanofRPGs]

Odin's or Hit's?

Hitto

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Odin's or Hit's?

Hitto

Got'cha.

 

[Cropfist]

I made the rematch.

 

[Shock97]

I made the rematch.

You shouldn't have. Just a few more days till we see how this Time Manipulation stuff plays out.

 

[Sora'sOther]

Fully agree, and Goku did beat Thor when he had the Odin Force, so...

Thor with the Odin Force is considerable weaker then Odin with his Odin Force

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

Isn't Odin's time manipulation far superior to Hit? Antvasima should preferably answer the question.

 

[Shock97]

Isn't Odin's time manipulation far superior to Hit? Antvasima should preferably answer the question.

It is from what I know. But we also don't know the full limits of Hitto's time manipulation either, from what I've been reading I would bet on him erasing time which explains how his time manipulation works. You might be asking why I'm saying he erases time, and the answer to this is because so far Hitto's ability is a specific one that is ripped straight out of Jojo (time intervals and all lol). But this is just an assumption on my part.

 

[AllanSaiyan]

I agree with Ryu on this matter.

 

[ASGARDIANBRONY]

how does goku beat the all-father? Odin can do anything he wants with OF and is nigh galactus in power.

 

[Mugen_no_Setsuna]

Odin energy-blasted with Seth destroyed the fabric of multiverse and shook every planes of existence. I don't know why the fck that they didn't put it in his page LOL. And Odin does have reality warping power. Can Goku stand a chance against Odin? Nope and Nope.

 

[ASGARDIANBRONY]

Odin energy-blasted with Seth destroyed the fabric of multiverse and shook every planes of existence. I don't know why the fck that they didn't put it in his page LOL. And Odin does have reality warping power. Can Goku stand a chance against Odin? Nope and Nope.

and Odin can fight on every metaphysical plane of existence as well. there is no way Goku can win.

 

[Mugen_no_Setsuna]

Odin defeats the armies of the Queen of Angels and banishes the Tenth Realm itself, ripping it from the World Tree and erasing all memory of it. And 10 realms are already confirmed that they are 10 different universes

http://postimg.org/image/6cgcrp6td/

 

[ASGARDIANBRONY]

Odin defeats the armies of the Queen of Angels and banishes the Tenth Realm itself, ripping it from the World Tree and erasing all memory of it. And 10 realms are already confirmed that they are 10 different universes

http://postimg.org/image/6cgcrp6td/

Aye! Odin should be universal.

 

[Gemmysaur]

That's a huge jump in power, though I'm not against it.

 

[ASGARDIANBRONY]

That's a huge jump in power, though I'm not against it.

http://postimg.org/image/6cgcrp6td/ This along with other feats puts Odin at least universal level.

 

[Gemmysaur]

Any other feats to show? Just so we don't get into outlier territory.

 

[ASGARDIANBRONY]

Any other feats to show? Just so we don't get into outlier territory.

I shall find more soon.

 

[ASGARDIANBRONY]

Any other feats to show? Just so we don't get into outlier territory.

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q...&thid=OIP.M4f6f7684b01b9ff9e2df3c4cc7a00401o0 http://www.bing.com/images/search?q...&thid=OIP.M23a8e5f5a4012d025d974e78127c96e0o0 http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11120/111201433/4322655-6133055486-21111.jpg I shall try to find more scans. Odin has fought universal characters and shook the every plane of reality in multiple battles. I cant seem to find scans but one time some of Odins power was turned into an evil being called infinity that was going to devour the whole universe before odin stopped it.

 

[Mugen_no_Setsuna]

When Thor clashed his hammer with Thunderstrike, they created a wave of energy that not even the Big Bang explosion can compare with it.

Why the hell that Thor's page don't have this feat?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-...AAAAAAAAAoM/HaY6Yc8bMrs/w994-h744/rowTo5h.jpg

 

[Mugen_no_Setsuna]

In chaos war, thor fought and defeat Chaos King's Servant called Glory, and this is how Glory is:

Glory as described by co creator J.M. DeMatteis "The thing that makes Glory so interesting-to me, at least-is the fact that he's not one single god: he's the embodiment of an entire pantheon, Imagine if all the gods of Asgard were one being, contained within the body of Odin, and you'll get some sense of just how powerful Glory is. Add to that the fact that he's the god of a race that lives a brutal existence of unending war and suffering. Glory is a reflection of the violence and struggle and madness of the people that worship him or her or it, depending on your perspective. In other words, he's not just powerful: he's mean, depraved. Cosmically mean and depraved. His view of life, the universe and everything is incredibly dark, brutal; tearing down Creation alongside Chaos is a no-brainer for Glory."

 

[Gemmysaur]

@SamWinchester666:

Hyperbole considering it didn't vaporize everything.

 

[ASGARDIANBRONY]

In chaos war, thor fought and defeat Chaos King's Servant called Glory, and this is how Glory is:

Glory as described by co creator J.M. DeMatteis "The thing that makes Glory so interesting-to me, at least-is the fact that he's not one single god: he's the embodiment of an entire pantheon, Imagine if all the gods of Asgard were one being, contained within the body of Odin, and you'll get some sense of just how powerful Glory is. Add to that the fact that he's the god of a race that lives a brutal existence of unending war and suffering. Glory is a reflection of the violence and struggle and madness of the people that worship him or her or it, depending on your perspective. In other words, he's not just powerful: he's mean, depraved. Cosmically mean and depraved. His view of life, the universe and everything is incredibly dark, brutal; tearing down Creation alongside Chaos is a no-brainer for Glory."

Aye! Thor defeated glory and managed to hurt Mikaboshi in that run. im actually fine with thor's power levels on here though.

 

[Mugen_no_Setsuna]

Seriously, they created thread about Odin vs Goku, Thor vs Goku but i don't think they REALLY know high-end feats from both Thor and Odin.

they are truly ultimate downplayers.

 

[Gemmysaur]

@ASGARDIANBRONY: The first one is very flowery-sounding. I don't think it should be taken seriously.

"simultaneously waged on every plane of existence" is rather difficult.

The second is a good feat, but idk how it translates to AP considering he disabled travel from the 10th realm and the others. Then there's mass mindfluck and what not.

 

[ASGARDIANBRONY]

The first one is taken as fact by most. I don't have all the scans but their battle really was tearing the fabric of the universe.

whats Ap? it shows Odin is universal, I don't know why sealing off travel makes it less impressive.

The third shows Odin to be a threat to galactus and nigh his equal in TP. considering galactus is an abstract this should put odin at universal.

 

[Mugen_no_Setsuna]

@SamWinchester666:

Hyperbole considering it didn't vaporize everything.

Not this again.......

There are many characters from different verse capable of wiping out entire universes but when they try to kill each other, the surrounding areas between them doesn't affected much by their attacks. Both Lambdadelta and Bernkastel are way far than metaverse level but when they fought, why the Library don't even have a slightest crack on it?

 

[ASGARDIANBRONY]

Not this again.......

There are many characters from different verse capable of wiping out entire universes but when they try to kill each other, the surrounding areas between them doesn't affected much by their attacks. Both Lambdadelta and Bernkastel are way far than metaverse level but when they fought, why the Library don't even have a slightest crack on it?

quite right! If universal beings destroyed everything when they fought any comic with celestials or galactus would be very brief.

 

[Gemmysaur]

You can see on-panel that the people and buildings were intact. Had it been truly on par with the big bang, it would've destroyed everything.

Also, AP is different from DC. Attack Potency is how much force is required to destroy it but not necessarily the area coverage to do so. Destructive Capacity is when area is considered, which, here in the example you posted, is being shown, and is not on par with the big bang.

Lambdadelta and whoever is not of my concern as I know not who they are.

Also, if its truly on par with the big bang, it would definitely be an outlier.

 

[Mugen_no_Setsuna]

Just because the fight between some people didn't destroy their surrounding, that does not mean they are at average human level.

I do remember about a fight between two people in a Chinese novel, they are at the level where they can easily obliterate worlds that are far superior than our universe yet not even the ground where they fight has a slightest crack. Are they are at average human level? Hell no. People that are far weaker than them capable of creating worlds like that so why? They can concentrate their energy into a single point to inflict as much as damage on their enemy.

I can give a lot more examples on how people that capable of obliterating entire universes yet when they are fighting, nothing around them were damaged in a slightest.

 

[ASGARDIANBRONY]

That feat is an outlier for Thor. lets please stick to the topic of Odin being universal.

 

[Mugen_no_Setsuna]

Odin is at least universe level or could be more

 

[Gemmysaur]

Still, considering it's Thor's manga we are talking about, where flowery words are thrown around willy nilly, I still don't see how that feat is to be taken seriously.

Should this feat be taken as true, it would still probably fall under outlier since Thor has never that much power level on more than one occasion.

Thor damaging Chaos King is an outlier as well, from my remembering discussions about that before.