Removing 8-B Mechamaru's Calculation

[CountGracula]

What am I even talking about?​

It's currently accepted that Mechamaru's Ultimate Cannon vs Panda is City Block level (12.2 Tons of TNT) based on it vaporizing the ground, the only problem here is that not only is the ground covered in grass, but it's a forrest covered in trees. We can even see a tree root stretch down pretty far into the hole. These kinds of things are extremely rare in rock, and there certainly wouldn't be any type of forrest in such an environment. For this reason I have concluded that most of this destroyed material is in fact soil and not rock, so the vaporization value using rock is somewhat outlandish and makes the feat seem more impressive than it actually is.

I might've been overexaggerating when it comes to removing 8-B Mechamaru, since he might still scale to something else, but the feat should still be removed.

While on the topic​

This supporting feat for the finger bearers also assumes that the wall behind Yuji was pulverised, which very clearly isn't the case at all. (Found on SizzlinSelect's profile)

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Also Also​

I also have some questions/problems with both Mahito shaking Shibuya and Yuji being punched through a building, I left comments there but just for some added exposure, here they are.

 

[Arkenis]

It's currently accepted that Mechamaru's Ultimate Cannon vs Panda is City Block level (12.2 Tons of TNT) based on it vaporizing the ground, the only problem here is that not only is the ground covered in grass, but it's a forrest covered in trees. We can even see a tree root stretch down pretty far into the hole. These kinds of things are extremely rare in rock, and there certainly wouldn't be any type of forrest in such an environment. For this reason I have concluded that most of this destroyed material is in fact soil and not rock, so the vaporization value using rock is somewhat outlandish and makes the feat seem more impressive than it actually is.

Get some cgm to check this over or redo (hardest task ever). And yeah other stuff can scale Mechamaru, probably would be 8-C since the weak 8-B scales to this.

This supporting feat for the finger bearers also assumes that the wall behind Yuji was pulverised, which very clearly isn't the case at all. (Found on SizzlinSelect's profile)

That's on his sandbox not on profile so doesn't matter, its not even on the verse page. You should contact Laser.

 

[M3X_2.0]

since the weak 8-B scales to this.

Can you make a list

 

[M3X_2.0]

Mahito shaking Shibuya

There is no issue with this calc btw. The radius comes from the image that’s shown, it’s using Google maps to measure the distance according to the IRL places.

And I don’t know how you can contest that it’s shaking the ground and even some buildings. It’s the only possible outcome. You’re arguing from incredulity and the video shows very well that the ground is shaking.

 

[Arkenis]

Can you make a list

Kamo, Ino, Panda's gorilla form I think is it.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Panda's gorilla form

There goes one of the two possible ways to scale Kashimo and Hakari LMFAO.

 

[M3X_2.0]

There is no issue with this calc btw. The radius comes from the image that’s shown, it’s using Google maps to measure the distance according to the IRL places.

And I don’t know how you can contest that it’s shaking the ground and even some buildings. It’s the only possible outcome. You’re arguing from incredulity and the video shows very well that the ground is shaking.

The only possible issue with the calc is probably the area.

 

[Arkenis]

There goes one of the two possible ways to scale Kashimo and Hakari LMFAO.

Just make them possibly building level and call it a day.

 

[GunshyFever]

While on the topic​

This supporting feat for the finger bearers also assumes that the wall behind Yuji was pulverised, which very clearly isn't the case at all. (Found on SizzlinSelect's profile)

A replacement was already made. Someone can just edit it on the main page and call it a day.

 

[SunDaGamer]

The 143 meter radius of the shaking comes from cross-referencing with the actual locations of the fights with this google earth project and also google maps street view (Mahito emerged next to the Shibuya 109 and his shaking reaches the opposite side of the city block on Dogenzaka Street). The only mathematical error with the calc is doing pi*h*r^3 instead of pi*h*r^2. The method using peak ground acceleration to find velocity should also be changed since PGA is the highest instantaneous acceleration recorded as the ground oscillates rather than a sustained acceleration in one direction overtime, this table of velocities should be used instead. The mass of the buildings will also need to be taken into account since the current calc is only using the mass of the Shibuya Metro underground.

Secondly, is there even any proof of there being anything other than a localized vibration from Mahito digging up? The buildings having those lines on them isn't really enough for one to tell that they were shaking, much less determine the degree of the shake. To be honest I always just saw it as the "Camera" rattling. And while it the source material, the anime also seems to agree with their not really being any kind of shake at all (It's mentioned in the calc so I thought it would be fair to bring up)

Yeah no, we can literally see the ground physically shaking in that very clip you linked and those lines ain't for decoration, the "RMB" sfx matches up with the rumbling of the earthquake Jogo's meteor caused too.

The problem lies in the context behind this feat. The 80% part might work well when you for example completely obliterate a building, but that isn’t what happened here. Sukuna sent Yuji through the building and Yuji is only like a 0.5m wide projectile, so there is a very good chance that he didn’t touch a single structural pillar (Which to me seems likely considering the building seemed to remain structurally intact) or even touched a single floor, and there is a 100% chance that he didn’t touch more than one, as he just isn’t big enough for that to happen. And if he doesn’t touch them, then they have no reason to break. This image is a rather crude way of visualising what im talking about. Considering that the building is still fully stable, it would be a safe assumption to say that he didn’t destroy anything of major importance.

Your assumptions aren't backed up in the manga. We can clearly see impact and the craters Yuji left in the building he smashed through are a whole lot bigger than 0.5 meters. The claim that the building is still fully stable is unfounded too since we're not shown the buildings Yuji crashed through again.

Another thing that’s semi related, the wikipedia link you use to show that a storey is 4.3 metres has no mention of such a number anywhere at all. What it does say is that commercial buildings storeys are about 3.9 metres tall. So unless im missing something, that should also be changed. And now that I think of it, storey height is also counting the size of the floors/ceilings, and as far as I can tell, this isn't taken into account in the current calculation, so you'd also have to remove about 30-40 centimetres when considering both upper and lower slabs (Concrete slabs for commercial buildings are between 15 and 20 cms thick)

Wikipedia used to say the average storey height was 14 feet but somebody changed it to 1410 feet and then someone changed it to 10 feet (thinking they were correcting it) and it's been like that since, it never had a citation anyways.

The better method would be looking at the actual building which is the Toshima City Office, it has a height of 189 meters and 50 storeys so that's an average of 3.78 meters per storey. Issues with perspective can also be eliminated by then just counting the number of stories affected by the impact and getting the length and width of the building like this to get the volume

 

[CountGracula]

I no longer care to argue earthquake things, as I just think they are quite dumb in general, so ignore that. Altough I do think the cross-refrencing thing should actually be linked somewhere on the blog page as currently there is no reason to believe it outside of "Trust me bro"

For the storey thing, yeah I understood that it was changed recently as other calculations also use the 4.3 m one, but looking around a bit more I can find some other sources. This one says 3.9 for commercial buildings, much like Wikipedia, another claims that they are between 3 and 4.5 metres. I do agree that just using the actual building seems more correct, but I just think that we in general shouldn't use the absolute maximum storey height all the time, especially when the source used no longer even agrees with that.

I feel like you just ignored the images I sent, I get that the impact of Yuji touching the wall created a larger explosion than 0.5 metres, that's obvious, because he was sent at it with so much force, but the wall is still one singular object that absorbed said force. Seperate walls and pillars inside of the building wouldn't just randomly break without actually interacting with Yuji, no matter how fast he was going (Unless it was like lightspeed or some crazy shit like that).

My argument about the building being stable is literally backed up by the manga, we see it standing with no signs of falling. It's you who needs to prove that it actually wasn't stable, which you cannot do because the manga never showcased anything like that. All im saying is that from the only panel including the building, it's still standing, so that should be our standard assumption unless told otherwise.

 

[SunDaGamer]

Altough I do think the cross-refrencing thing should actually be linked somewhere on the blog page as currently there is no reason to believe it outside of "Trust me bro"

The Google Earth project is linked on M3X's blog, anyone can use the navigation the dudes over on r/JujutsuKaisen set up to track the location that every minor and major event in the manga happens by chapter and use the street view.

but the wall is still one singular object that absorbed said force

And we're calculating the destruction we can see that goes beyond just one wall? If somebody punches a skyscraper and there's a massive impact on the side of the building they hit which is complemented by a similarly big impact on the other end of the building then we ain't gonna use just one wall to calculate their AP because it'd be blatantly downplaying the feat.

Seperate walls and pillars inside of the building wouldn't just randomly break without actually interacting with Yuji, no matter how fast he was going (Unless it was like lightspeed or some crazy shit like that).

Except we can literally see the other end of the building have an impact the same size as the initial one, if we were going by what you're saying then there should've been a 0.5 meter wide hole on the other end of the building which there clearly isn't. We can also see the size of the impact as Yuji smashes through a second building be comparable in size to his initial impact so again, your point is moot.

My argument about the building being stable is literally backed up by the manga, we see it standing with no signs of falling. It's you who needs to prove that it actually wasn't stable, which you cannot do because the manga never showcased anything like that. All im saying is that from the only panel including the building, it's still standing, so that should be our standard assumption unless told otherwise.

That's not how burden of proof works. Everyone who has evaluated and accepted the calc has agreed Yuji destroyed a ton of material as he went flying into and out of the building which is comparable to his initial impact because the other impact we see when he exits the building is comparable in size. You're now trying to counter that by saying we should ignore our observations because the building isn't destabilised and hadn't collapsed. Not only does that not actually disprove the calc because the destruction is still apparent, but it's also on you to prove the building was stable afterward and no, that one panel where Yuji was launched across Tokyo at supersonic speeds not immediately showing the building collapsing doesn't prove anything because buildings don't collapse instantaneously and the panel is demonstrating the immense speed at which Yuji was sent flying by Sukuna's punch.

 

[That_moron2]

There goes one of the two possible ways to scale Kashimo and Hakari LMFAO.

Are you gonna try and remove their scaling to Yuta?

 

[M3X_2.0]

Are you gonna try and remove their scaling to Yuta?

Yeah because absolutely nothing in the series backs up this statement. Hakari is NOT stronger than Yuta, Maki already denied this statement.

Yuta has feats and statements, Hakari barely has any screentime to justify any of his scaling.