Removing abilities that are entirely justified from WoG (Part 1)

[Dark_Soul20189]

Yeah, follow-up thread to this staff thread. I will not touch important parts such as cosmology or anything of the sort, and leave that for the supporters to fix.

Verse - Ninjago
Profile - The first Spinjitsu Master

This thread will focus entirely on abilities or justification based on WoG scans/links.


BDE 1

Justification

Beyond-Dimensional Existence (Type 1; Exists in his own personal Realm, which is located outside the 16 Realms, and was unaffected by the Merge, who merged the Realms together, that were proven to be a set of multiple space-time continuum)

WoG part

Beyond-Dimensional Existence (Type 1; Exists in his own personal Realm, which is located outside the 16 Realms, and was unaffected by the Merge, who merged the Realms together,)

So yeah, the entirety of BDE 1 falls apart, since it's no longer "outside" the 16th realms.


Acausaulty 1 and 4

Justification and WoG

• Acausality (Types 1 & 4; Wields the Golden Weapons, which have been shown to be immune to any changes in time, with the wielders being unaffected as well. Predates Fate. Also, The Cloud Kingdom cannot control his destiny)

The only scan presented is a WoG, and due to how it's cut, I can't even see the original question. (Only 4 is being questioned)


All elemental powers (justification removal only)

Can control all elemental powers

Only the justification part, since it has shown evidence in-verse with other statements.



Resistance section
(Oh boy...)

• Elemental Manipulation, Electricity Manipulation, Technology Manipulation, Fire Manipulation, Earth Manipulation, Ice Manipulation, Matter Manipulation, Holy Manipulation, Reality Warping, Metal Manipulation, Invisibility, Smoke Manipulation, Intangibility, Telepathy, Energy Manipulation, Life Manipulation, Gravity Manipulation, Telekinesis, Plant Manipulation, Sound Manipulation, Poison Manipulation, Weather Manipulation, Darkness Manipulation, Teleportation, Creation, Power Mimicry, Time Travel, Time Stop, Age Manipulation, Space-Time Manipulation, Soul Damage, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1 [1 Layer {5-D}]) (As Master of all Elemental Powers, it should be has resist to their own powers)

Yeah... The entirety of these abilities (resistance) is based on a WoG... (To make things even worse, this one seems to contradict in-verse scenes...)


Exist as the "Balance.

Exists as the light part of the Balance

All parts of the "exists as balance" should be removed from the profile.


TLDR - All of these abilities or justification needs to be removed or replaced since they are entirely based on WoG.


Votes
Agree - @DarkDragonMedeus, @Scarletjet (agrees, I think?), @TWILIGHT-OP, @ZERGESS, @Ebihara, @Robo432343, @SweetDao, @Shar122, @FinePoint,
Disagree -
Neutral -


Note
*Anything presented here can stay if any evidence outside of WoG is presented.
*A large margin of the other Imgur scans refused to load, so I can't tell what they are.
*I only take a look at the profile, so all other WoG outside it, I am not taking into account for now.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks good to me.

 

[Scarletjet]

For me it seems ok but are you going one character at a time? If so that might take a while.

Acausaulty 1 and 4

Justification and WoG

The only scan presented is a WoG, and due to how it's cut, I can't even see the original question.

Was that entire ability based on, "maybe", "not sure"?

Maybe they are excluded being sons of FSM, but not sure. We haven't worked out that yet.

How was this even a thing?

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

For me it seems ok but are you going one character at a time? If so that might take a while.

Only gonna do the main ones, I have already pointed out all the WoG's in the cosmology thread, so the supporters themself can fix it.

Was that entire ability based on, "maybe", "not sure"?

The Accualty 4, is entirely based on the WoG, the acasualty 1 I am not so sure of, since I am unable to find any scans for it.

How was this even a thing?

No idea.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Will look over later.

@Ebihara @TheOrangeGuy09 @YmTheSuper @AigerTheKing @Ultimate-Rex1

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Will look over later.

@Ebihara @TheOrangeGuy09 @YmTheSuper @AigerTheKing @Ultimate-Rex1

I was just going to start replacing all the evidence with proof in the show, I hope to close this and replace it with evidence in the show since we has proof in the show for these

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I was just going to start replacing all the evidence with proof in the show, I hope to close this and replace it with evidence in the show since we has proof in the show for these

Then feel free to present it here.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Better to just remove it first so it would clear out the wog before introducing the new justification as they might even be rated as a different abulity

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Then feel free to present it here.

Why? It does not need a CRT as it should be just replaced.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Why? It does not need a CRT as it should be just replaced.

Simple, while I fully agree that it needs to be replaced (if possible), it also needs to be done in public.

So I have a question, if you were just about to replace them, why can't you show the evidence here?

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Because new justification would need to be evaluated and accepted if it wasn't present during the CRT that added the abilities.

Anyway I agree for the removal.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

So I have a question, if you were just about to replace them, why can't you show the evidence here?

Because I don't have my phone for now and I need it to find the photos I have on it

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Dont think BDE type 1 ever had a basis to begin with here lol.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Well, I guess since I cannot be given enough time to do CRTs, I just don’t care for this one. Do whatever here.

I was just going to start replacing all the evidence with proof in the show, I hope to close this and replace it with evidence in the show since we has proof in the show for these

Don’t worry, I’ll just do a follow-up thread. Some people are impatient like this for whatever reason, I guess.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Well, I guess since I cannot be given enough time to do CRTs, I just don’t care for this one. Do whatever here.

Sorry, but I thought at least a CRT to start it off would be good, but yeah, I won't touch the cosmology stuff and other such things as long as it gets done within a reasonable time.

 

[AigerTheKing]

BDE 1

Justification


WoG part

So yeah, the entirety of BDE 1 falls apart, since it's no longer "outside" the 16th realms.

The BDE reasoning is the same one as his Immortality. It should stay regardless

Acausaulty 1 and 4

Justification and WoG

The only scan presented is a WoG, and due to how it's cut, I can't even see the original question.

Golden Weapons are shown to still exist in the present (they were forged into an armor and unforged by Kai) after the past version destroyed the present timeline's Golden Weapons

All elemental powers (justification removal only)

Only the justification part, since it has shown evidence in-verse with other statements.

Stated here

But again why are people so impatient for this? Ninjago supporters were supposed to create a CRT that covers everything very soon

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

The BDE reasoning is the same one as his Immortality. It should stay regardless

I don't see it.

Golden Weapons are shown to still exist in the present (they were forged into an armor and unforged by Kai) after the past version destroyed the present timeline's Golden Weapons

The CRT is about removing accasulty 4, not 1 Sorry I didn't make that clear.

Stated here

If you actually read the CRT you will see that I am only removing the justification and not the abilities here, as claimed under.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Looks good at glance.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I was just going to start replacing all the evidence with proof in the show, I hope to close this and replace it with evidence in the show since we has proof in the show for these

That evidence would need evaluated in its own right. The CRT can serve as the staging ground for that. As it stands, we would just remove an ability if we found it then lacked justification.

 

[ZERGESS]

This much is fine

 

[Ebihara]

I agree this makes sense.

 

[AigerTheKing]

I don't see it.

FSM currently is "dead" but isn't present in any of the 3 afterlives. That implies his Realm isn't part of the 17 Realms

The CRT is about removing accasulty 4, not 1 Sorry I didn't make that clear.

Ok

If you actually read the CRT you will see that I am only removing the justification and not the abilities here, as claimed under.

They still need to be replaced. We don't keep them scanless

 

[Robo432343]

we need to remove those WoG statements in the cosmology blog
agree with the thread

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

FSM currently is "dead" but isn't present in any of the 3 afterlives. That implies his Realm isn't part of the 17 Realms

Sadly, that is far too vague for bde 1 rating, not mentioning how it was questionable to begin with, as mentioned above. (Though that debate is not for here)

They still need to be replaced. We don't keep them scanless

There is already a scan and justification after that, if you look at the page that is fully proper, meaning none of the abilities from their will be removed, only that specific statement and proof.

It is said that he controls all the elements

(as shown here)

So yeah, only removing the justification with WoG will be removed.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

we need to remove those WoG statements in the cosmology blog

I have already pointed them out in the RvT, so supporters should be capable of doing that themself.

agree with the thread

counted.

 

[SweetDao]

Fine yeah.

 

[Shar122]

This looks good, I agree

 

[FinePoint]

I agree with everything.

As Bambu said, if direct evidence is found to replace the current justifications, it can be presented here or even in a new thread.

 

[SweetDao]

Just to point out, even if it's logical, but the "new justifications" or "evidences" needs to be enough to justify the existence of said ability by themselves. Be it here or on a next thread. The abilities that are currently in jeopardy needs to proven as if they aren't accepted in the first place.

 

[AigerTheKing]

I agree with everything.

As Bambu said, if direct evidence is found to replace the current justifications, it can be presented here or even in a new thread.

The BDE reasoning is the same one as his Immortality. It should stay regardless

Golden Weapons are shown to still exist in the present (they were forged into an armor and unforged by Kai) after the past version destroyed the present timeline's Golden Weapons


Stated here

I'll send evidence for the resistance part later, unless the others wants to do it in their CRT or something

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I'll send evidence for the resistance part later, unless the others wants to do it in their CRT or something

Sure, whatever you can prove has proper justification can stay.

 

[AigerTheKing]

Sadly, that is far too vague for bde 1 rating, not mentioning how it was questionable to begin with, as mentioned above. (Though that debate is not for here)

Bambu in DMs told me WoG interviews are fine to use, so we can use the "Overlord Void is similar to the Grassland" statement to prove BDE

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Also time is a system of cause and effect in Ninjago as seen in Season 7.

 

[Ebihara]

Bambu in DMs told me WoG interviews are fine to use, so we can use the "Overlord Void is similar to the Grassland" statement to prove BDE

the one from lloyd?

snip

can you clarify?

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Bambu in DMs told me WoG interviews are fine to use, so we can use the "Overlord Void is similar to the Grassland" statement to prove BDE

Normally, yes, but due to the recent staff thread regarding Ninjago, all WoG is banned specifically for the verse, as stated by the verse rules.

Ninjago Rules​

• Due to previous abuse of Word of God statements from social media are not allowed for Ninjago CRTs or blogs. To see reasoning why please refer to this thread.

So yeah.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

can you clarify?

Pretty sure he asked in general, if WoG was allowed or not, without mentioning Ninjago.

 

[AigerTheKing]

Normally, yes, but due to the recent staff thread regarding Ninjago, all WoG is banned specifically for the verse, as stated by the verse rules.

So yeah.

The was specifically about Social Media scans, not interviews or official AMAs which he did in SDCC or in other places that u can find on YT probably

"Due to previous abuse of Word of God (WOG), statements from social media are not allowed for Ninjago CRT's or blog's. To see reasoning why please refer to this thread."

And it would link back to this thread.

Edit New wording: "Due to previous abuse of Word of God (WOG), statements from social media are not allowed for Ninjago CRT's or blogs with the sole exception of author statements that determine if other official work is canon. To see the reasoning why please refer to this thread."

Pretty sure he asked in general, if WoG was allowed or not, without mentioning Ninjago.

No, I specifically asked about Ninjago

the one from lloyd?

I doubt Lloyd ever did interviews. He was banned for social media Twitter stuff

 

[Ebihara]

I doubt Lloyd ever did interviews. He was banned for social media Twitter stuff

I must have clicked the wrong scan then, which one are you reffering to. I saw a X question.

 

[AigerTheKing]

I must have clicked the wrong scan then, which one are you reffering to. I saw a X question.

This one

 

[Ebihara]

This one

Thank you, must have missed that. Ill leave it up to someone else to evualte if what he is saying is enough proof to justify keeping BDE