Restoring some genshin stuff

[PedjaTarzan]

Starting with something simpler its Mona getting her precognition back (scan) because it was unjustifiably removed by Garrixian.
Now for something more important.

This crt was about removing several genshin abilities from elemental energy page.

However OP also removed several other abilities without including ANY reasoning in his CRT.

He explained here. that this is because his crt was about implementing a whole NEW genshin page, problem is?
He did not include any of the abilities that were accepted there, which i have listed. He did not even add it on the profiles for the characters that would have them otherwise. Example is Tartaglia who used to have harbinger abilities.

My proposal? Just return these removed abilitiess back onto pages. on top of that PLEASE bring this old format of page into new ones because if u compare the two the new one looks like unorganized mess (no offense)

 

[Natsuki012]

Agree

 

[Puppet43]

He did not even add it on the profiles for the characters that would have them otherwise. Example is Tartaglia who used to have harbinger abilities.

U can not be serious about this
"Harbingers abilities" was Greater Basic Elemental Manipulation (Still has just by Delusion scaling to Visions) and Non-Physical Interaction (And this was debunked in the christmas crt; and either way we brought it back since even Saurians can interact with ghosts)

This crt was about removing several genshin abilities from elemental energy page. However OP also removed several other abilities without including ANY reasoning in his CRT.
He explained here. that this is because his crt was about implementing a whole NEW genshin page, problem is? He did not include any of the abilities that were accepted there,

Wouldnt be easier just to say which abilities we are saving? because there are countless time where the old justifications were shi and didnt even correspond to said ability, like Alchemy having its own sub-part when its just Creation hax (I could go do a large text telling u the motives behind the deletion of most abilities)

on top of that PLEASE bring this old format of page into new ones because if u compare the two the new one looks like unorganized mess (no offense)

You pointing at the boxes with the text? I didn't know how to do that, that's why I didn't include them on my page (Silly me)

Starting with something simpler its Mona getting her precognition back (scan) because it was unjustifiably removed by Garrixian.

Agree

 

[MSahla]

Starting with something simpler its Mona getting her precognition back (scan) because it was unjustifiably removed by Garrixian.
Now for something more important.
This crt was about removing several genshin abilities from elemental energy page. However OP also removed several other abilities without including ANY reasoning in his CRT.
He explained here. that this is because his crt was about implementing a whole NEW genshin page, problem is? He did not include any of the abilities that were accepted there, which i have listed. He did not even add it on the profiles for the characters that would have them otherwise. Example is Tartaglia who used to have harbinger abilities.
My proposal? Just return these removed abilitiess back onto pages. on top of that PLEASE bring this old format of page into new ones because if u compare the two the new one looks like unorganized mess (no offense)

Bro, please structured your OP properly. It doesn't have any Paragraphs or any specifict sections at all. I'm saying this so people can easily read and understand it.

But besides that, I agree with those except Harbinger Abilities as Puppet pointed out. They were just using Delusions or not at all, like Columbina, Capitano, Sandrone, Dottore. Their NPI is basically the same as normal people who can interact with Souls and anything from the Ley Lines like Information.

 

[Voidnether]

I actually love how Archon Authorities is just Purification LMAO

 

[Puppet43]

I actually love how Archon Authorities is just Purification LMAO

I mean, most feats were done by visions bearers, there no unic power for the gnosis

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Bro, please structured your OP properly. It doesn't have any Paragraphs or any specifict sections at all. I'm saying this so people can easily read and understand it.

If the crt had anything specific id organise it, this is literally just all one simple update it genuinely doesnt take some super specific organising

But besides that, I agree with those except Harbinger Abilities as Puppet pointed out. They were just using Delusions or not at all, like Columbina, Capitano, Sandrone, Dottore. Their NPI is basically the same as normal people who can interact with Souls and anything from the Ley Lines like Information.

Lowkey harbinger abilitiies and delusion stuff can be just kept on profiles for harbingers instead since they dont get much anyway

 

[Puppet43]

Lowkey harbinger abilitiies and delusion stuff can be just kept on profiles for harbingers instead since they dont get much anyway

Why would we keep something we remove?

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Why would we keep something we remove?

WHY WOULD I REMOVE SOMETHING THE OLD PAGE HAD ACCEPTED AND NOT KEEP IT IN THE NEW ONE INSTEAD
WHY WOULD I VANDALISE THE ABILITIES INSTEAD OF LISTING THEM ON THE PROFILES THAT SHOULD HAVE HAD ABILITIES BUT INSTEAD THEY WENT INTO LIMBO IS THIS WHAT YOU ARE ACTUALLY ASKING OR IS THERE NOT A SINGLE PERSON CAPABLE OF BASIC READING

 

[MSahla]

If the crt had anything specific id organise it, this is literally just all one simple update it genuinely doesnt take some super specific organising

Still, you have to make at least a paragraph. There's no spaces at all.

Lowkey harbinger abilitiies and delusion stuff can be just kept on profiles for harbingers instead since they dont get much anyway

I mean if they have Delusion then just put it there. If they don't then don't put it. We have Capitano, Dottore, and Columbina (basically the top 3) not having Delusions at all. And, as I said, there's not much of abilities for “Harbingers Abilities” besides some normal physiologies for Teyvat's people. Just keep the Delusion part.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

The literal point is to restore HAXXES i linked PRETTY clearly that are UNJUSTIFIABLY removed unless U GIVE ME SPECIFIC elaborated argument why we SHOULD NOT have the abilities then OKAY

 

[Puppet43]

The literal point is to restore HAXXES i linked PRETTY clearly that are UNJUSTIFIABLY removed unless U GIVE ME SPECIFIC elaborated argument why we SHOULD NOT have the abilities then OKAY

Yeah sure, but the text gonna be pretty long, so hold ur horse

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Yeah sure, but the text gonna be pretty long, so hold ur horse

good because i dont have to write in all caps appearing angry just so you can elaborate actual shit

 

[LoudestProcedure]

Agree

 

[Puppet43]

Yeah sure, but the text gonna be pretty long, so hold ur horse

Long ahh text argumenting why did i delete some abilities

• Energy Absorption, Statistics Amplification & Damage Boost

Primarily because there is no evidence to back this up and it is most likely based on gameplay; which is not canon unless stated or shown in game. For example Canonically characters do not need to absorb energy from their enviroment

• Ambition and Empowerment

Just moved to Supernatural Will in characters that have a Vision, since there no reason to assume Visionless Characters/Characters that can manipulate elements naturally such as Dragons have a supernatural will

• Basic Elemental Manipulation (Specific cases)

Anemo

• Attack Reflection (The link simply leads to a section on Anemonic character skills, but at no point is the ability to reflect attacks mentioned.
• Enhanced Air Manipulation (Due to duplicate skill, I genuinely don't know why Garrixian placed Air Manipulation twice.)

Geo

• Creation (Not all Geo Characters are capable of creating rocky platforms, such as Itto, Gorou, Linnea)

Electro, Dendro, Hydro, Cryo and Pyro

• Various Status Effect Inducement (Because such states would be achieved by combining 2 elements in combat, which would surely never happen unless the user had a partner with whom they could create elemental reactions or could use more than one element (Traveler, Tartaglia for example). This line of thinking also led to the elimination of the Dendro element's explosion manipulation; it requires the user to be relatively close to water or a partner who manipulates water, meaning that in most scenarios it wouldn't work (speaking from a thread VS point of view))

Fundamental Mechanisms

- Energy Manipulation & Energy Projection (The evidence consists of gameplay)

• Magic (The evidence lies in the name given to the Visions in the original language, a nominal fallacy.)
• Holy Manipulation (The explanation doesn't really say any Holy quality of the Elemental Energy other than the fact that it repels abyssal energy; currently, that's classified as resistance to corruption, corrosion, and the energy itself.)
• Memory, Emotion, Perception, Soul and Information Transmutation (Feat performed just by Nahida and some of Apep's creatures, could be her own ability instead of try to chainscale it to other Non Archons characters, because thats another problem, its an Archon, which means holds better Elemental Manipulation than average user)
• Purification (Feats shown only performed by Apep's creature, which should scale to Apep's Authority and Traveler which is an anomaly to the system, cant be chainscaled to average wielders)
• Elemental Deconstruction (Same reasoning as previous 2 abilities, feat performed by Nahida, Apep Creature and Traveler)

Elemental Authority

• Avatar Creation (Archons) => (Even though it might seem at first glance to be an ability of the archons, the truth is that many of the cases seen are not actually avatar creation; Venti could do this pre Gnosis so its his own ability, Zhogli couldnt create Avatars but rathers Duplicates and Shapeshift, Ei could create Puppets with Khaenri'ah technology, Rukkha and Focalors could actually be Avatar Creation, Pyro Archons are unable to do such)
• Beyond Dimensionality Existence (Archons) => This is a mischaracterization of what True Will is. True Will and the trancendence mentioned is merely the Rumerians discarding their physical bodies through Phobos and having their souls placed in the stone golems, thus making them immortal. It's important to note that even with this trancendence the Rumerians still couldn't escape their fate. So it should be pretty obvious that this doesn't actually qualify for BDE
• Resistance to Fate Manip (Archons) => Guys, we are in the big 26, atp we must know everyone except Dragons, Descenders (Shades) and POSSIBLY outsiders arent affected by Fate. The rest of Teyvat sure is bounded by it

Elemental Lifeform Physiology

- Incorporeality ([Souls, Memories and Elemental Energy]; Abstract Existence (Type 1 [Fundamental Information]) => Elemental lifeforms are corporeal

Witch Magic

• Pocket Reality Creation => All evidences shown were made by Alice with a magical ink (Since she helped Durin's mother to create her tales true)
• Alchemy => Just Rhine and Alice have evidence to back up their knowledge in this field, so should be unic abilities to them
• Life Manipulation => Requieres the Magical Ink previously mention
• Precognition => Only mage to have evidence of knowing this field is Barbeloth
• Reality Warping => The reality warping part is misleading since the witches can only alter the worlds that they create based on the scan (i.e Simulanka)
• Fate Manipulation, Causality Manipulation (Links broken, so yeah idk what scans Garrixian was talking about but still the Casuality Manip argument came from Simulanka, so yeah they can only alter the Casuality in the words they created)

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Btw this isnt even a physiology, the Hexenzirkel is just a bunch of woman with a high lvl of knowledge on certain fields which don't overlap, Rhine is an expert in Alchemy, Barbeloth in Astrology and etc

Khemia

Is just Alchemy (Creation), the Chaos Manipulation just comes from the fact that Rhine had such level in Alchemy that was capable of creating Godzilla size monsters and infecting their minds with Abyssal Energy

Adeptal Arts

- Chaos & Law Manipulation => The argument talks about how The Mist Veiled Primo Elixir embodies a state of intertwining order and chaos but if we check the link and read the entire description we find this
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"An elixir of the highest quality. It embodies a state of intertwining order and chaos, and is said to mirror how the world was when it was first created. Of course, a certain someone knows that this was not the case."
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So yeah, even the own description debunks Garrixian's argument
- Soul Manipulation, Mind Manipulation & Enhanced Holy Manipulation => One of the links is broken/not working (the one to the Genshin Wikipedia; it doesn't show anything specific, just Chongyun's lore profile) And I highly doubt that killing a monster affected by abyssal energy (yeah, those are the demons/spirits they talk about in Liyue) is really considered soul manipulation.

Yashka Physiology

There is no genuine reason to create a separation between the Yashkas and the other Adeptus; the only difference between the two groups is that the Yashkas are more combat-oriented Adeptus and should have some resistance to their own Karma.

- Fate Manipulation and Causality Manipulation => Fate manipulation because they said Karma in the argument (Im serious)

Harbinger Abilities

"Harbingers abilities" was Greater Basic Elemental Manipulation (Still has just by Delusion scaling to Visions) and Non-Physical Interaction (And this was debunked in the christmas crt; and either way we brought it back since even Saurians can interact with ghosts)

 

[Voidnether]

Long ahh text argumenting why did i delete some abilities

• Energy Absorption, Statistics Amplification & Damage Boost

• Ambition and Empowerment

• Basic Elemental Manipulation (Specific cases)

Fundamental Mechanisms

Elemental Authority

Elemental Lifeform Physiology

Witch Magic

Khemia

Adeptal Arts

Yashka Physiology

Harbinger Abilities

Can we nuke those abilities on Ley Lines Manipulation

 

[Puppet43]

Can we nuke those abilities on Ley Lines Manipulation

About Ley line manip i didnt know shi, i just did what Gianny told me (In the christmas crt)

 

[Furina003]

I think the current page is already good, but it does need to bring back some of the abilities that were removed.
That’s the plan I want to work on in the future. There are quite a lot of abilities I want to add for Visions, Delusions, and Gnosis.

As for the special abilities of the Harbingers and others, that will be discussed in a separate CRT. For now, I’m neutral regarding this CRT, because in my opinion, using either approach would not make much of a difference, and both are perfectly fine.

What I mean is, I agree with Mona's abilities and the restoration of some abilities, but that doesn't mean we need to overhaul the entire page. So we only need to bring back what actually makes sense to restore. Yeah, that's all.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Witch Magic

Yashka Physiology

Harbinger Abilities

Out of all this i literally talk about bolded parts and the rest is justifiably removed ON GOD you did NOT read OP at all. so since i HAVE to plaster it over text i will do it.

Yaksha Physiology
Enhanced Soul Manipulation, Mind Manipulation & Holy Manipulation (The adepti can perform exorcism upon evil spirits and demons, techniques allowing them to expulse away any immoral spirits across that obstructs their path. Xiao is one of the yakshas who is prominent for their exorcising bane against evil, along with all of the other four yakshas who saved Liyue against the demons during the cataclysm. All yakshas are reveried and admired upon for their purge against demons and divine karma)

Witch Magic
The proficient users of magic, alchemy and astrology are granted the following abilities:

• Enhanced Magic
  • Pocket Reality Creation (Through the use of witchery magic, the witches of Hexenzirkel can create entire pocket realities, simply through the use of their quill to cast their magic)
  • Alchemy (The witches of Hexenzirkel are known to be experts of alchemy, a technique that allows the creation of any material through the use of Elemental Powers<)
  • Life Manipulation (The witches of Hexenzirkel, particularly Alice the Goddess of Creation, gave life to the beings of Simulanka and vitalised the entire world of Simulanka, by transforming it from a piece of fictional literature into a real world and true fantasy)
• Fate Manipulation, Causality Manipulation & Supernatural Luck (Through Mona's elemental skill, Mirror Reflection of Doom, she is able to use the phantom facsimile to ward off her imminent ill-fate. and whatever fate changes will also alter the cause and effect. Witches of Hexenzirkel are able to see through fate and create new stories and destinies through prophecies, altering the world and the history of the future to ensure its fulfillment)

These are the removed abiltiies and these are the abilites i want explanation on why they are gone, i dont care about BDE Elemental Lifeforms and other ACTUALLY removed abilities from the verse bcs i literally linked that crt. Also idk why it has to be a physiology for witches to be added on page, thats literally a set of powers and abilites if u want physiology you just make a separate page for it god damn it.

 

[Puppet43]

Out of all this i literally talk about bolded parts and the rest is justifiably removed ON GOD you did NOT read OP at all. so since i HAVE to plaster it over text i will do it.

Just in case

hese are the removed abiltiies and these are the abilites i want explanation on why they are gone

I already gave u an explanation, read

Witch Magic

Yashka Physiology

Harbinger Abilities

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Just in case

I already gave u an explanation, read

link ANY of profiles with these abilities then, since they apparently DONT belong in energy page

 

[Reiner04]

Closin per OP's req