Rimuru VS alpha

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basically among the strongest on this tier. Now to my understanding both are on the top 3 strongest 6D characters, and both of them shouldnt have trouble with higher end hax (both are basically a wall hax). Also for some reason I don't see too much xenoblade VS threads, so here I go

Rimuru tempest (Digital Nature)

Alpha (Final Form)

speed is equalized (PLS DO NOT LET IT BE A STOMP, I CHECKED THE PAGES 9 TIMES)

 

[JoshSSJGod]

Does Rimuru have a way even around Alpha's Ether Concentration and its layers? If not then he can't even interact with Alpha.

 

[Hecky2222]

speed is equalized (PLS DO NOT LET IT BE A STOMP, I CHECKED THE PAGES 9 TIMES)

Should have checked better


No NEP All Aspects Interaction and Void Manipulation Res

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Does Rimuru have a way even around Alpha's Ether Concentration and its layers? If not then he can't even interact with Alpha.

I mean, unless I am missing something it's just CM 1 and IM 2, no? That means RImuru would have layers on layers of resistance...

Not to mention Rimuru can Is natrually NEP 1, and can become NEP 2 instantly. (So yeah, can Alpha deal with that?)

 

[JoshSSJGod]

I mean, unless I am missing something it's just CM 1 and IM 2, no? That means RImuru would have layers on layers of resistance...

How many layers? Cause Alpha has around 46 layers to work with for resistances and potency and an unquantifiable amount for his Ether Concentration.
And as for what his Ether Concentration covers, its just than just that its everything Ether based (which is everything on that page).

Not to mention Rimuru can Is natrually NEP 1, and can become NEP 2 instantly. (So yeah, can Alpha deal with that?)

I mean, yeah. Alpha is capable of just deleting NEP 1 users and has the passive precog to know to do it instantly (though his EE is usually his first move anyway).

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Should have checked better


No NEP All Aspects Interaction and Void Manipulation Res

Erm Rimuru has this, he can tap into NEP2 while at it, it’s just alpha also has it lul

 

[Maniaunavailable]

How many layers? Cause Alpha has around 46 layers to work with for resistances and potency and an unquantifiable amount for his Ether Concentration.
And as for what his Ether Concentration covers, its just than just that its everything Ether based (which is everything on that page).

I do not know, I would need supporters for both side as both series are complex af

 

[Hecky2222]

Erm Rimuru has this, he can tap into NEP2 while at it, it’s just alpha also has it lul

i dont see All Aspects and Void Manipulation Res in Alpha page

 

[Maniaunavailable]

i dont see All Aspects and Void Manipulation Res in Alpha page

Yes but ether tax

 

[JoshSSJGod]

i dont see All Aspects and Void Manipulation Res in Alpha page

How is the Void Manip used? From the profile I only see Nihility Void which is something Alpha can resist through resisting Existence Erasure.

 

[WorthyRhinoceros951]

rimuru pretty easily since alpha doesn't have layers and can't interact with nep2

 

[Maniaunavailable]

rimuru pretty easily since alpha doesn't have layers and can't interact with nep2

Supporter said he supposed to have 46 layers

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

How many layers? Cause Alpha has around 46 layers to work with for resistances and potency and an unquantifiable amount for his Ether Concentration.
And as for what his Ether Concentration covers, its just than just that its everything Ether based (which is everything on that page).

We don't have that many layers, but would eventually catch up with "Reactive evolution", since he has feats off it if given enough time.

I mean, yeah. Alpha is capable of just deleting NEP 1 users and has the passive precog to know to do it instantly (though his EE is usually his first move anyway).

He starts with NEP 1, but would be NEP 2 instantly if required. (Also what aspects?

Nonexistent Physiology (Nature Type 1, Aspect Type 1, 2, 3, 4 & 5 [Other: Space, Time, Life, Death, Causality & Law]

Tensura have these

How is the Void Manip used? From the profile I only see Nihility Void which is something Alpha can resist through resisting Existence Erasure.

It is a passive; it just erases anything it comes into contact with (both EE and NEP 2 erasure)

 

[Hecky2222]

can't interact with nep2

p sure Rimuru isn't NEP 2 but rather interacts with NEP 2 and erases NEP 2

 

[Robo432343]

rimuru pretty easily since alpha doesn't have layers and can't interact with nep2

lol

 

[WorthyRhinoceros951]

How is the Void Manip used? From the profile I only see Nihility Void which is something Alpha can resist through resisting Existence Erasure.

are you fr? EE and NC are completely different and if i remember correctly rimuru has 6,666,665 layers of EE and 835 layers of Existence Erasure resistance

 

[Maniaunavailable]

lol

Wouldn’t Rimuru catch up with reactive evolution tho?

 

[Robo432343]

rimuru has 6,666,665 layers of EE and 835 layers of Existence Erasure resistance

 

[JoshSSJGod]

We don't have that many layers, but would eventually catch up with "Reactive evolution", since he has feats off it if given enough time.

Idk if he would catch up since Alpha's own Reactive Evolution also does that (among like 50 other things) and if you're asking about how fast it is, its based on the user's will so if Alpha wills it so it happens.

He starts with NEP 1, but would be NEP 2 instantly if required. (Also what aspects?

Tensura have these

Ty, Alpha's NEP 1 Erasure is primarily on 1, 3 and 4. Though a lot of ones for 5 were stuff I did not know you could do so I'mma take note of that. Key takeaway though is that Alpha has aspects that overlap with Rimuru's which would enable his erasure to work.

It is a passive; it just erases anything it comes into contact with (both EE and NEP 2 erasure)

Noice, alrighty then Alpha should be unaffected by it. He resists EE far above what Rimuru's layers allow and the NEP 2 doesn't even apply to him.

 

[WorthyRhinoceros951]

IT WAS ALREADY ACCEPTED UNDER CALC THE NEW THREAD FOR IMPLEMENTATION JUST GOT RELEASED https://vsbattles.com/threads/tensura-blog-revamp-implementation.191936/#post-7770852

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Ok so yeah, I don’t think it can be used cuz it isn’t on the profile BUT, Rimuru has:

Resistance Layers = (( EP - 400,000 ) / 300,000) + Of EE, he should be fine here

 

[WorthyRhinoceros951]

Ok so yeah, I don’t think it can be used cuz it isn’t on the profile BUT, Rimuru has:

Resistance Layers = (( EP - 400,000 ) / 300,000) + Of EE, he should be fine here

YEAH

 

[JoshSSJGod]

Ok so yeah, I don’t think it can be used cuz it isn’t on the profile BUT, Rimuru has:

Resistance Layers = (( EP - 400,000 ) / 300,000) + Of EE, he should be fine here

I looked at that thread and it literally says
"((887,333-400,000) / 300,000) + 1 ≈ 2.59. Therefore the amount of layers equals 2."

 

[Berga14]

He resists EE far above what Rimuru's layers allow and the NEP 2 doesn't even apply to him.

Alpha still has no way to counter void manipulation (Nep2 void that costantly erases). EE layers don't do shit here.

 

[Berga14]

I looked at that thread and it literally says
"((887,333-400,000) / 300,000) + 1 ≈ 2.59. Therefore the amount of layers equals 2."

That is for Adalman, just an example

 

[Maniaunavailable]

I looked at that thread and it literally says
"((887,333-400,000) / 300,000) + 1 ≈ 2.59. Therefore the amount of layers equals 2."

On that regard I think alpha still takes ir

 

[WorthyRhinoceros951]

I looked at that thread and it literally says
"((887,333-400,000) / 300,000) + 1 ≈ 2.59. Therefore the amount of layers equals 2."

MAYBE INCREASE YOUR READING COMPREHENSION?

 

[WorthyRhinoceros951]

On that regard I think alpha still takes ir

HE DOESNT HAVE 6,666,665 layers of EE THOUGH?

 

[JoshSSJGod]

Its been less than an hour and this thread is already cursed.

Alpha still has no way to counter void manipulation (Nep2 void that costantly erases). EE layers don't do shit here.

Why not? Void Manipulation that turns things into nonexistence is literally stated on the Void Manipulation page to be Existence Erasure. Alpha resists that. It also working on NEP 2 is neat but that does make it more potent, just that it works on those types of beings. It'd be like if I said "Alpha's EE works on NEP 1 users therefore its more potent!" which obviously isn't the case.

 

[Robo432343]

MAYBE INCREASE YOUR READING COMPREHENSION?

@Astral_Trinity439 control tensura fans pls

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Can someone tag supporters from both sides

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Idk if he would catch up since Alpha's own Reactive Evolution also does that (among like 50 other things) and if you're asking about how fast it is, its based on the user's will so if Alpha wills it so it happens.

He can create stuff that require ifninite amount of information basically instantly, and create his own skills, in Tensura RE is actually their strongest skill. (So yeah, he could just create 37 skills all based on each other, and that would work.

Ty, Alpha's NEP 1 Erasure is primarily on 1, 3 and 4. Though a lot of ones for 5 were stuff I did not know you could do so I'mma take note of that. Key takeaway though is that Alpha has aspects that overlap with Rimuru's which would enable his erasure to work.

Rimuru can regenerate from complete erasure even with those NEPs and have layers upon layers of backups, including 2 different ways of high godly regenerations and 2 high godly resurrections.... (also, Rimuru resists NEP 2 erasure, so any kind of NEP 1 erasure would be useless.)

Noice, alrighty then Alpha should be unaffected by it. He resists EE far above what Rimuru's layers allow and the NEP 2 doesn't even apply to him.

Their area works on NEP 1 too, and since it can erase even NEP 2, it would be far stronger than a normal NEP 1 erasure...

I looked at that thread and it literally says
"((887,333-400,000) / 300,000) + 1 ≈ 2.59. Therefore the amount of layers equals 2."

That's Aldmanan, not Rimuru...

Rimuru currently has a far higher resistance...

Released State Scenario (100,000,000 EP)

100,000,000 - 400,000 = 99,600,000

99,600,000 / 300,000 = 332

332 + 1 = 333 layers

And that is without counting his many other stuff that increase his EP....

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Why not? Void Manipulation that turns things into nonexistence is literally stated on the Void Manipulation page to be Existence Erasure. Alpha resists that. It also working on NEP 2 is neat but that does make it more potent, just that it works on those types of beings. It'd be like if I said "Alpha's EE works on NEP 1 users therefore its more potent!" which obviously isn't the case.

Due to the fact that void manipulation is only NEP 1 manipulation, and that is baseline NEP 1 without aspects, until it's proven their NPI to them.

 

[AlexSamDen]

HE DOESNT HAVE 6,666,665 layers of EE THOUGH?

Please calm yourself down

What you're saying is not in profile and cannot be used yet

Why not? Void Manipulation that turns things into nonexistence is literally stated on the Void Manipulation page to be Existence Erasure.

As far as I know, and as stated by @Planck69 , Void that turns existence into itself can't be resisted by normal EE resistance

Additionally, those are also separated in-verse

 

[WorthyRhinoceros951]

@Astral_Trinity439 control tensura fans pls

MB, BRUV

 

[AlexSamDen]

Ty, Alpha's NEP 1 Erasure is primarily on 1, 3 and 4. Though a lot of ones for 5 were stuff I did not know you could do so I'mma take note of that. Key takeaway though is that Alpha has aspects that overlap with Rimuru's which would enable his erasure to work.

The problem here is that Rimuru's NEP overlaps with his AE

Meaning that with no Aspect 2 you can't really do anything here

 

[JoshSSJGod]

He can create stuff that require ifninite amount of information basically instantly, and create his own skills, in Tensura RE is actually their strongest skill. (So yeah, he could just create 37 skills all based on each other, and that would work.

Okay? This doesn't really tell me anything about how he can just jump up over 40 layers at a faster rate than Alpha can.

Rimuru can regenerate from complete erasure even with those NEPs and have layers upon layers of backups, including 2 different ways of high godly regenerations and 2 high godly resurrections.... (also, Rimuru resists NEP 2 erasure, so any kind of NEP 1 erasure would be useless.)

Alpha is already capable of negating those. This is without Alpha's Reactive Evolution giving him access to Resistance Negation to bypass Rimuru's resistance to EE anywho.

Their area works on NEP 1 too, and since it can erase even NEP 2, it would be far stronger than a normal NEP 1 erasure...

Neat, that isn't covering the layered resistance. Even if it did Alpha does not need his body to function. His previous incarnation Alvis has existed without it.

That's Aldmanan, not Rimuru...

Rimuru currently has a far higher resistance...

And that is without counting his many other stuff that increase his EP....

Thank you for actually giving me something and not just saying "ITS THIS HIGH ARE YOU STUPID?!". Though I would like to ask where that even is on his profile, I did not see it at all when looking through his resistances and the layering. The most I saw was 5 layers.

Due to the fact that void manipulation is only NEP 1 manipulation, and that is baseline NEP 1 without aspects, until it's proven their NPI to them.

Okay? I mean yeah that is Void Manipulation but it isn't exactly boosting the potency of it at all just what it can affect.

As far as I know, and as stated by @Planck69 , Void that turns existence into itself can't be resisted by normal EE resistance

Additionally, those are also separated in-verse

I have staff such as @Theglassman12 tell me the opposite so forgive for saying but I'm going with what the page says instead.

The problem here is that Rimuru's NEP overlaps with his AE

Meaning that with no Aspect 2 you can't really do anything here

There are more ways to kill a character than interacting with their concept. For example, you can delete their Information, delete the concepts surrounding them, etc.

I've still to get an answer on if Rimuru can even interact with Alpha btw. Everything I'm seeing on Rimuru's profile is stuff Alpha's Ether Concentration can be applicable for. If they can't do anything then at worst this is a stalemate. Though Alpha does have methods to make this a stalemate anyway through his layered Fate Manipulation that affects Acausal beings either make it so Rimuru is fated to die or make it so nothing Rimuru can do that would hurt Alpha would not happen.
For Rimuru to be capable of interacting with Alpha btw he would require NPI layers to be greater than Infinity to match the Unquantifiable amount Alpha has.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Don't see how Alpha will deal with Rimuru's NEP aspects 2 and aspect 5, while Rimuru can keep spamming Abyss.... Which has aspects Alpha can't defend against.

He also doesn't resist some of Rimuru's passives, like Corruption and Transmutation
All of the abilities listed under Magicule abilities are Rimuru's passives:

General Concepts in Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken (Light Novel)

This is to ensure and provide context to whatever ability exist in slime which rather seems questionable, with adequate explanation on the idea of whatever ability exist on some profiles of Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken, they are also additional explanations on other abilities such as ultimate...

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[AlexSamDen]

Thank you for actually giving me something and not just saying "ITS THIS HIGH ARE YOU STUPID?!". Though I would like to ask where that even is on his profile, I did not see it at all when looking through his resistances and the layering. The most I saw was 5 layers.

It's in the process of getting accepted

The formula was accepted 4 months ago, but changes to the layer blog weren't. Hence why it isn't there

I have staff such as @Theglassman12 tell me the opposite so forgive for saying but I'm going with what the page says instead.

And the page says this

• Conversion to Nonexistence: The user of this ability might be capable of turning targets to nothing. This can range from only turning the matter of the target to nothing to also turning things like its energy, mind, soul, space, time and/or concept to nothing. Note that most users of this ability have not the full range of the ability. Further note that one shouldn't list a character to have resistance against this ability in total, as that requires a character to have shown resistance against every imaginable ability which can erase a target.

Regular EE resistance won't cut it

There are more ways to kill a character than interacting with their concept. For example, you can delete their Information, delete the concepts surrounding them, etc.

You do know how AE works, right?

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Me vote for Rimuru btw

There are more ways to kill a character than interacting with their concept. For example, you can delete their Information, delete the concepts surrounding them, etc.

Uh... Here's the thing:

• Rimuru as BDE1 so erasing his surrounding concepts won't do much (in fact I don't see NPI for it on Alpha's page)
• Rimuru's entire existence in his dlf key is BDE1. Including his Conceptual and info self (which are furthermore NEP)
• Due to how tensura aspects work, you need to be able to interact with the outer layer to reach the aspect deeper. Since heart core is info and is contained within the soul which is his conceptual self (NEP as well), Alpha will need to be able to interact with Rimuru's NEP concept just to get into the info layer.

I've still to get an answer on if Rimuru can even interact with Alpha btw.

From blade physiology (Aegis), he has NEP1 on aspect 1, 3 and 4 correct?
Rimuru has this:

• Non-Physical Interaction (Magic can work on a conceptual level<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Magic_and_Skills_(Tensei_Shitara_Slime_Datta_Ken)#cite_note-9"><span>[</span>9<span>]</span></a> and it could interact<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/M..._Shitara_Slime_Datta_Ken)#cite_note-TSS1E7-10"><span>[</span>10<span>]</span></a> and damage<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/M..._Shitara_Slime_Datta_Ken)#cite_note-TSMC10-11"><span>[</span>11<span>]</span></a> Spiritual Lifeforms, inculding demons, who have no physical body.)
  • Abstractions (Type 1: Law & Concept [Type 1] & Information [Type 2]);
  • Nonexistence (Nature Type 1, Aspect Type 1, 2, 3, 4 & 5 [Other: Space, Time, Life, Death, Causality & Law]);
  • Intangibility & Incorporeality

And also on nep2 lvl for TDL and further keys via Abyss keys, on the same aspects as nep1.
He has BDE1 interaction if that was ever a problem, for his dlf key. Can also do the same with Disintegration in demon lord key and beyond.

Everything I'm seeing on Rimuru's profile is stuff Alpha's Ether Concentration can be applicable for. If they can't do anything then at worst this is a stalemate. Though Alpha does have methods to make this a stalemate anyway through his layered Fate Manipulation that affects Acausal beings either make it so Rimuru is fated to die or make it so nothing Rimuru can do that would hurt Alpha would not happen

This all would still need to bypass Rimuru's nep on concepts first.

For Rimuru to be capable of interacting with Alpha btw he would require NPI layers to be greater than Infinity to match the Unquantifiable amount Alpha has.

Npi layers.... This is a rare thing xd

Could you please link the page where the npi resistance is explained in detail?