Rohan vs Bug-Eaten

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Just testing if this is a stomp. Speed equal just in case of them blitzes, DiU Rohan. 100 meters.

Bug-Eate: 2

Rohan Kishibe: 1


Weapons, locked.


hehvun's dowah!

 

[DMB_1]

The Rat snipes the Rohan to death.

No more crappy comic books.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

You make it sound like HA DIO vs BE is fair lmao

 

[DMB_1]

HA Dio would time-stop and delete the Rat instantly. And he would be able to regen from his acid.

You downplay HA DIO a lot, no offense.

 

[Moritzva]

Unknown range on Rohan makes this kinda impossible to do.

However.

Speed is equalized, meaning their reactions are equalized. This actually gives Rohan quite a bit of time to dodge with MFTL+ reactions, while you can't dodge Heaven's Door.

Rohan could dodge a shot or two, while Bug Eaten can do nothing but hope Rohan doesn't see him. Which he will, assuming he knows where the opponent starts.

I vote Rohan via pointing and reactions.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Nah dude, it's the opposite. I get pissed off everytime HA DIO gets a loss just because "muh cockiness" because he has much more powers.

 

[Genericstickman]

I mean Rohan needs to transmutate in order to use Heavens Door and The Holy Corpse allows you to resist transmutation, HAD has all but one of The Holy Corpse absorbed

so I'm pretty sure Heavens Door won't work on HAD

 

[DMB_1]

Rohan has never used Heaven's Door at that range. He gets destroyed, especially since he isn't the type of guy who "dodges" stuff so small at that speed.

BE would keep the distance and not go into HD's range.

 

[Genericstickman]

Rat FRA

 

[Moritzva]

We flat-out don't know his range, that's the thing. He's done long distances and he's never actually shown a limit besides knowing what he's aiming at, so it's impossible to tell what the range is.

As well, he doesn't dodge things often because he doesn't fight things often. He usually just leads with Heaven's Door and calls it a day, because he doesn't care about fighting.

Now, if he knows he's fighting some rat 100 meters away from him and darts start flying towards him, he will dodge. Rohan doesn't really have the kind of stand that can tank attacks, so he has no reason to take a hit.

From there, he'll get into range, whatever it is, and point.

Bug Eaten can't dodge Heaven's Door. Rohan wins.

 

[DMB_1]

What are you even talking about? So because we don't know its range, you could argue that Rohan's range would be Multiversal?

Rohan always used HD at almost point blank range, and at its best, a few meters apart from him. And don't mention his B in range because we don't use Stand Stats.

As for the fight, BE would just hide in a spot and snipe Rohan. He would be too difficult to be seen from such a distance.

I am saying that Rohan won't most likely dodge because he isn't a fighter. He has no idea how to fight such an enemy, and every time he got caught by surprise, he got freaking bodied. Even much smarter and more experienced Stans Users like Jotaro had a lot of trouble attacking him. He won't definitely see such a small projectile coming at him from an enemy that he doesn't even know where he is.

Even if Rohan eventually catches him, a single needle would be fatal to him, and won't be able to write anything ion the mouse.

 

[Moritzva]

Let's break this down.

Fact One: Both have extremely high reaction speeds, but Bug Eaten's doesn't matter since it's impossible to dodge Heaven's Door.

Fact Two: Rohan's range is unknown, as he's fired and hit people an unknown distance away. However, in fights such as HA Dio vs Rohan, it was not a question that Rohan could get to him even when the range was 200 meters. This is only 100 meters.

Fact Three: Rohan will go first. His Stand only requires somatic components of pointing, if that at all. He'd be able to do it before Ratt can aim and fire.

Fact Four: Bug-Eaten doesn't actually fire that quickly! Not only did Josuke respond fast enough to think about his decisions, grab a pan, and then block the hit, but Bug-Eaten also needs time to aim and prepare to fire. He's not capable of going semi-auto and mowing Rohan down.

With that in mind, how does Rohan lose more than he wins?

I never claimed Rohan was multiversal, but multiversal is much larger than 100 meters. Strawman.

There have been times he's used it at farther but unknown ranges, as well.

Rohan, as per SBA, knows he's fighting and can be assumed he knows where the opponent starts. But OP can clarify this.

Rohan has acted extremely quickly under pressure: He responded to Koichi having his soul and body taken completely calmly, and that's far more tense than a rat shooting you.

Jotaro was mostly acting as a target while Josuke practiced his aim. Plus, Jotaro was out of practice.

Also, yes, Heaven's Door can affect Bug-Eaten. Why in the world wouldn't it?

Tl:dr: Range is unknown but fights with larger starting distances have had Rohan win, so it's unlikely that his range is 10 feet. It's at least considerable enough to hit Ratt from 100 meters, or enough to get close. Rohan's acted very calm and very swiftly under tense situations, such as Koichi getting ripped apart in the alleyway. All arguments for Bug Eaten hinge on Rohan having a pitiful range.

 

[DMB_1]

1) Rohan can't use HD at that distance.

2) Rohan's range should get a revision since it's unknown only because of TSRK, and this is DiU Rohan, whose only range feats are only at a few meters at best.

3) He has to get near him first, so he won't, and BE will go first.

4) BE will hide in some place that Rohan won't know, get ready, and fire. He is far more stealthy, and regardless of reactions, Rohan won't catch up to it.

 

[Moritzva]

1. What's your proof? What's his range?

2. Then CRT.

3. Back to point 1. You've ignored all reasoning as to why BE would not go first, as well, (he takes time to aim and fires in bursts rather than spam)

4. Rohan can see Stands, so he'd be able to see where Bug-Eaten is firing from.

Any other points that involve ignoring the facts presented?

 

[DMB_1]

1) Just watch the show. He never used it at more than a few meters of distance, otherwise, he would have been able to stop Kira in the final episode without Koichi or Jotaro needing to do anything.

2) Ok, but this is DiU Rohan, and his best feats are nowhere near as good as TSKR.

3) I told you: he will escape Rohan's vision since SBA only states that they know their respective starting point. Getting out of sight won't be too difficult to BE considering his small size and agility, and the fact that he could hide behind trees, inside of buildings etcetera.

4) Yes, but that doesn't mean BE can't get out of sight.

 

[Moritzva]

1. Then CRT for it. As it is, it's listed as unknown for all keys, and we'd need a precise range to determine this.

2. Above.

3. No buildings to go inside of, this is Central Park. Every time he fired, Rohan would have an update on Bug-Eaten's position, since unlike most fighters, he can see the bullets and the Stand. Josuke and Jotaro did it, so Rohan probably could too.

 

[DMB_1]

1) I agree. The main problem is that Part 4 and TSKR contradict each other.

3) Jotaro and Josuke were much more aware of the situation, they knew were BE was, and what he was capable of. And Jotaro (who mind you, is a much more experienced fighter and athlete than Rohan) had to use Time-Stop to dodge. And BE can fire multiple needles at once, which are MFTL, and very small. In fact, Jotaro was only able to catch one of them with SP, which has extreme precisio.

 

[Moritzva]

Except Rohan is dodging, not catching, and even characters like Josuke could block them. So Rohan, for some time, will be able to keep up. Will he eventually be tagged? Yes. But will he probably be able to hit Bug-Eaten first? Yes, until we have confirmation that his range is pitifully low, Rohan will be able to track and follow Bug-Eaten or just snipe him off the bat.

 

[DMB_1]

It's the same thing: Jotaro wasn't able to dodge, and he barely kept up with Time-Stop. I already explained how Rohan wouldn't do any better.

Josuke blocked it when he knew that Ratt was about to fire, he did it with Crazy Diamond and Rohan can't just pick a pan out of nowhere

You keep assuming that he will eventually catch up, yet you have no proof, you only say that "his range is unknown, so he will". And if he tries to ctahc him as Jotaro did, he will get shot down, and he won't be able to write on him with HD with a molten hand.

Just watch the show and you'll see how low his range is in DiU. I have yet to read TSKR though.

 

[Moritzva]

CRT. Your entire argument requires a CRT to function, so make a CRT or else your vote can't count since it relies on a CRT.

Rohan has MFTL reaction speeds and can move faster than Crazy Diamond, who brought up a pan to block the shot, and you are claiming Rohan won't be able to dodge.

Make a CRT, then come back.