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I think the issue is more of if he's allowed to make future appeals, which I dont see why that should happen,though i havent experienced how the guy is like first hand.
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Yeah it's about outside stuff, but I think that's even more indicative that people can change given enough time.
I'm pointing out how you're appealing to "the rules", when in reality, you're appealing to your own subjective opinions on how our punishments should happen.
From my experience, a lot of them have been like this. A permabanned user comes back a few years later, says they've changed as a person, and asks for an unban. It's comparatively much rarer for them to be something like, it being demonstrated that they were banned under false pretenses.
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Is Charmander denying that he made sockpuppets and made aggressive comments?
They're not.
Which wasn't including me, and I land more in the latter camp (with not wanting an unban now, but being open to one after a further year or two of no offences).
So we are seemingly deadlocked 6-6 among voting staff. Still deadlocked 3-3 even if we just go to admins and above.
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I think we're gonna need more staff votes to determine this then, but the ones I've tagged haven't responded yet. AKM's viewpoint is especially important in this.
Qawsedf said he was fine with either a permaban without any chance to appeal or a permaban with a chance to appeal a year or two down the line (In both cases he agreed to keep Charmander banned) so IDK what category to put him in.
Qawsedf said he was fine with either a permaban without any chance to appeal or a permaban with a chance to appeal a year or two down the line (In both cases he agreed to keep Charmander banned) so IDK what category to put him in.
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And it's not our job to monitor that. And again... Constant trend of broken promises here
So you're being intentionally pedantic, got it. Because that's the only conclusion one can come to if your response is "if the rules do not specifically say this exactly then you're not appealing to the rules."
I'd say my "subjective opinion" is more in line with the rules, and your input has come off as simply contrarian
And we shouldn't humor these things. You don't see this in people getting permabanned from Discord servers for example. Especially in this case where he demonstrably hasn't changed
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The staff members here with voting rights in this regard already reached the conclusion that Charmander would be allowed to appeal after one year from now if he does not cause any problems in the meantime, due to how narrow the vote count for each side was. Let's move on please. 
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It was pretty funny, I'll admit.Yes. I banned them.
It was rather funny high-effort satirical trolling though.
It unfortunately included a slur though.
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One example:Yes. I banned them.
It was rather funny high-effort satirical trolling though.
(To provide some context, as far as I am aware, H.P. Lovecraft was an incredibly negative moral and existential nihilist, and a virulent racist supremacist.)
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Well, given that they just made the account, and the name is just random letters, and that is their very first post, and that they seem to be mocking our community, I highly doubt they intend on doing anything else.I am honestly not sure if it was a good idea to ban that troll, or if we should just give him a strict warning to stop.
So it's probably still good to ban them.
Edit: Apparently they actually made the account in 2021, which I don't know if that's better or worse.
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I know I slept past the discussion, but I'm of this opinion. I don't necessarily know if listing me as an agreement was a mistake or purposeful, but it's a light enough fumble either way.
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What do our other staff members here think?
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Given the gibberish username, and lack of other contributions, I'm happy with any ban of at least a month. I don't think they were seriously engaging, so we should get them out for a bit, but I think there's a reasonable chance of them seriously engaging at some point in the future.
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I think that's reasonable.Okay. So just a 1 month ban and a warning to stop trolling, not a permanent block then?
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So I was talking to astral. And it seems that his ban is still 3 months. Wasn’t there a discussion for an additional 3 months? Shouldn’t 2 additional months be added since about a month has passed since his ban? Or was the ban still just 3 months
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It seems like it was indeed decided to extend it by three months.
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yea and it was
Userban history shows 2 bans too. Initially 3 mo by Agnaa, then another 3 by ant post-second report.
Userban history shows 2 bans too. Initially 3 mo by Agnaa, then another 3 by ant post-second report.
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I just checked his wiki account is banned until June 16, but his forum ban lasts until September. Any reason for the difference?
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I'm guessing it's an oversight (and should be corrected.)
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We probably simply forgot to lengthen his wiki ban.
If somebody links to both of his accounts here, I or somebody else can handle it.
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Handled
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Okay. So just a 1 month ban and a warning to stop trolling, not a permanent block then?
I handled it.
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Reporting @Nobushibu they made derogatory edits to @Shiroiyo profile calling them gay. This seems to be a recurrent problem and @Shiroiyo reported this in wiki vandalism thread . Putting it here since this is the apporaite thread and this is basically just bullying. This being @Nobushibu response which is very rude and seems to acknowledge the harrssment they did.
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Hey, i dont really want to be instigating this still, but theres more issues regarding the Pokemon verse
The user Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera is continuing to use uncredited fanart on the Pokemon Verse page, despite it being against the rules.
I had dropped a message in the Pokemon Discussion thread regarding it and the removal of a QoL edit to the Verse i made ages ago, asking them not to keep adding onto the issue until users have the time to change everything since the majority of the Pokemon Verse is the use of stolen/uncredited fanart. This was something talked about before, but obviously it will be a huge dedication of time in replacing all of those images amongst the other goings-on with the Pokemon Verse, which it would be appreciated if we could plug the problem for now as opposed to continually using fanart
This has now caused yet another argument regarding the said user, who refuses to stop using the uncredited fanart despite me and others telling him multiple times it is not something we want to keep adding onto for whenever it can be fixed. Could a mod tell him directly please that this is against the rules, because i feel he's just being stubborn about it because its coming from me.
The edit where hes continuing to add uncredited fanart over official sources: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Pokémon?diff=9020227&oldid=8986033
The user Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera is continuing to use uncredited fanart on the Pokemon Verse page, despite it being against the rules.
I had dropped a message in the Pokemon Discussion thread regarding it and the removal of a QoL edit to the Verse i made ages ago, asking them not to keep adding onto the issue until users have the time to change everything since the majority of the Pokemon Verse is the use of stolen/uncredited fanart. This was something talked about before, but obviously it will be a huge dedication of time in replacing all of those images amongst the other goings-on with the Pokemon Verse, which it would be appreciated if we could plug the problem for now as opposed to continually using fanart
This has now caused yet another argument regarding the said user, who refuses to stop using the uncredited fanart despite me and others telling him multiple times it is not something we want to keep adding onto for whenever it can be fixed. Could a mod tell him directly please that this is against the rules, because i feel he's just being stubborn about it because its coming from me.
The edit where hes continuing to add uncredited fanart over official sources: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Pokémon?diff=9020227&oldid=8986033
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@Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
Nobody’s telling you can’t use the Fan-art (assuming the consensus is that it’s superior to the official art), you just have to give credit. It’s literally that simple, I truly don’t know why you refuse to.
Considering that the user is knowingly refusing to follow site policy, I support a warning.
Nobody’s telling you can’t use the Fan-art (assuming the consensus is that it’s superior to the official art), you just have to give credit. It’s literally that simple, I truly don’t know why you refuse to.
If that were the case then it wouldn’t be in the rules.
No CRT needed for this.
Considering that the user is knowingly refusing to follow site policy, I support a warning.
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Okay. I suppose that an official warning and update to our warning tracker seems appropriate then.
Also, I think that it is perfectly fine to give artist link credits within the wiki pages for the uploaded image files themselves, so it should likely not cause any problems.
Also, I think that it is perfectly fine to give artist link credits within the wiki pages for the uploaded image files themselves, so it should likely not cause any problems.
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To be fair, this is for the Pokemon Verse, which has heaps of official art stemming from the games, anime screencaps, TCG etc. while the Verse page on the wiki has been using uncredited fanart since likely the beginning. Theres no real reason to be using fanart anymore, its just going to be a huge task to replace every non-official image for the hundreds of pages Pokemon as a Verse has. So its seemingly preferred from the people who have commented so far that we shouldn't really opt to be using fanart in the first place anymore.
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Well, official art is obviously usually preferable, as long as it is of high quality and features each respective depicted character's entire standing upright body with a removed background.
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I also support an official warning.
However, I also want to say that as someone knowledgeable on the verse, I see absolutely zero reason to ever use fan art for Pokemon.
There is countless official images of every single Pokemon and character, even in different styles.
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You're really playing the victim in all of this? You really ran to the mods the second I told you you're lucky I didn't report you for vandalism?
Users won't "have time to change everything", because nobody is working on the issue at all, and you are refusing to do it yourself, so what you are asking me to do is just not add profiles to the verse page for all eternity... and that's IF such a massive change won't need a CRT.
I'm not refusing to stop using uncredited fanart. I'm refusing to do things solely because you tell me to because of the pure distain you have towards anything I do. The Editing Rules say, "while Fan art can serve as a suitable alternative to official art in instances where the mentioned is of inferior quality or fails to capture the essence or details of the characters or subjects effectively". Pokemon has a unique issue, because 99% of all the good official art for a profile belongs in their Gallery instead of being suitable for the verse page's icon. Even in the edit you just gave, I used official art for Pikachu (PokePark)'s icon because an official artwork was perfect for it. In fact, there IS no fanart of The Mech (or regular art), so I just used the same picture as in the profile.
I never "continued", that was just the one edit where I did that, which sparked the whole argument in the first place and came prior to you telling me what to do. Stop spinning this like I've repeatedly gone and done my own thing multiple times.
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Im not a victim of anything, although 'you're lucky i didnt report you for vandalism' (which i didnt do) sounds a bit threatening
I'm not refusing, it just is a huge task to replace all this fanart thats been present since the beginning of the page's creation. It takes a lot of picture farming, downloading, and replacing for most of the current profiles. And right now, irl, i havent got time to do all that on my own.
It wouldnt need a CRT to fix a blatant aspect of the page that goes against the current rules, but like others' in the discussion thread have said, it is worth making a thread and discussing how we go about it to maximise
This isnt about disdain or personal grudge. The point is, fanart shouldnt be exploited and used without its creators' permission for this site because its not only part of the rules, but immoral.
A) Most pokemon pages dont have this gallery (or need it, since a lot of it is irrelevant to the powerscaling aspect of the character)
B) What you consider good official art is subjective, and doesnt rule out things to the point you need to take fanart.
C) Its fine to reuse images for icons on a separate page if the image is already being used in a gallery.
D) Icons dont necessarily need to 'capture the essence', they just visually need to show what page they're linking to. I agree they dont have to be barebones boring, but Pokemon isnt lacking that whatsoever
E) Theres still tons upon tons of viable official art for Pokemon.
And that was initially fine, I just wanted to let you know that it is against the rules to keep using uncredited fanart, i didnt intend to punish or berate you about it because the page still has tons of taken fanart. Onlt that it is preferable if you could not contribute to that current problem (While also reversing a useful QoL edit i made a year ago for the sake of it). Its when it suddenly became an argument, and you refused to stop taking peoples fanart without their permission and credit despite knowing it is against the rules.
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There is plenty of very clear shots from the movie which can simply be rendered, but we probably shouldn't clutter this thread with specific debate on specific art since it's not the focus.
Looking through your post history, you do come off as a bit aggressive in your interactions, and threatening to report people (rather than simply doing it) is probably frowned upon.
