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Alright, so I figured I would make this due to some concerns that have been brought up regarding this feat. To clarify, this thread is not discussing the application of the feat itself, it is just a discussion of the methods used in order to determine which result is the most useable. To simplify this discussion a bit, i'm going to break down the different methods used here so we can figure out which should be used, going from least to most accurate and then we can talk about the application of the feat after we pick one end to use
Version 1: Atmospheric Measurement
This method measures the distance Amity fell using the stated height Amity was at at its apex (atmospheric orbit) and the height Amity was at just before Penny began to push it in order to find an approximate distance Amity fell and was pushed. This method, while not being as mathematically precise as Versions 3 and 4, is more than likely the safest end to use, as unlike the previous methods it does not rely on using Amity's trajectory or a calculated velocity to find the distance fell, it simply uses two set points in the atmosphere as a measurement for how far Amity fell and how far it was pushed. This removes the issues Rusty mentioned entirely as it calculates the distnce Amity fell without needing to worry about the influence of the Gravity stabilizers influencing its rate of fall.
This method also has the convenience of having a significant amount of on-screen showings and in-episode statements to back it up, such as Penny being eye-level with green Aurora Borealis, which form at heights of over 100 km, Pietro mentioning how the cold outside the arena is extremely dangerous to be in despite knowing that Penny can withstand arctic temperatures with no issue (The average annual temperature in the Arctic is -12 to -6° C, while the Mesosphere can be anywhere from -20 to -90° C), and Penny starting to burn up after she starts to fall, which only happens when something hits the planet's Mesosphere.
Version 2: Screen Measurement
This method measures the distance Amity fell and was pushed by measuring the various on-screen measurements of Amity's atmospheric height measurements from Pietro's computer. To be frank, this method is by far the least accurate, and was only done as a fallback super low end as it is the method of both Rusty's original calc as well as the calc done by the G1 blog, just updating their math with new values. The size of Amity portrayed on the screen is not exactly to scale, so using this method would be an extreme lowball.
Versions 3 and 4: Terminal Velocity and Freefalls:
This method measures the distance Amity fell and was pushed by using the trajectory Amity fell and the mass of Amity itself to find how fast it was falling and apply that velocity to the timeframe the fall took place in. This method is, at least in my opinion, the most mathematically accurate in terms of pure measurements and context from what is shown in the episode, but it suffers from a bit of a glaring problem. As Rusty brought up previously, Amity was not in a total freefall, but was drifting downwards at an angle as it had three of the four active Gravity Dust stabilizers influencing its rate of fall.
Version 5 is meant to compensate for this slightly, as it is measuring the push as being sheerly vertical rather than the full distance that Amity fell, and thus is meant to be a lowball for these measurements, but Rusty's point would still stand.
There is also this Atlas Bomb recalc: calc here there is two ends to chose
Version 1: Atmospheric Measurement
This method measures the distance Amity fell using the stated height Amity was at at its apex (atmospheric orbit) and the height Amity was at just before Penny began to push it in order to find an approximate distance Amity fell and was pushed. This method, while not being as mathematically precise as Versions 3 and 4, is more than likely the safest end to use, as unlike the previous methods it does not rely on using Amity's trajectory or a calculated velocity to find the distance fell, it simply uses two set points in the atmosphere as a measurement for how far Amity fell and how far it was pushed. This removes the issues Rusty mentioned entirely as it calculates the distnce Amity fell without needing to worry about the influence of the Gravity stabilizers influencing its rate of fall.
This method also has the convenience of having a significant amount of on-screen showings and in-episode statements to back it up, such as Penny being eye-level with green Aurora Borealis, which form at heights of over 100 km, Pietro mentioning how the cold outside the arena is extremely dangerous to be in despite knowing that Penny can withstand arctic temperatures with no issue (The average annual temperature in the Arctic is -12 to -6° C, while the Mesosphere can be anywhere from -20 to -90° C), and Penny starting to burn up after she starts to fall, which only happens when something hits the planet's Mesosphere.
Version 2: Screen Measurement
This method measures the distance Amity fell and was pushed by measuring the various on-screen measurements of Amity's atmospheric height measurements from Pietro's computer. To be frank, this method is by far the least accurate, and was only done as a fallback super low end as it is the method of both Rusty's original calc as well as the calc done by the G1 blog, just updating their math with new values. The size of Amity portrayed on the screen is not exactly to scale, so using this method would be an extreme lowball.
Versions 3 and 4: Terminal Velocity and Freefalls:
This method measures the distance Amity fell and was pushed by using the trajectory Amity fell and the mass of Amity itself to find how fast it was falling and apply that velocity to the timeframe the fall took place in. This method is, at least in my opinion, the most mathematically accurate in terms of pure measurements and context from what is shown in the episode, but it suffers from a bit of a glaring problem. As Rusty brought up previously, Amity was not in a total freefall, but was drifting downwards at an angle as it had three of the four active Gravity Dust stabilizers influencing its rate of fall.
Version 5 is meant to compensate for this slightly, as it is measuring the push as being sheerly vertical rather than the full distance that Amity fell, and thus is meant to be a lowball for these measurements, but Rusty's point would still stand.
There is also this Atlas Bomb recalc: calc here there is two ends to chose