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"Brother this is your 4th attempt for making a fair Priscilla matches-"
"Until I found the good opponents for her, I'll never stop"


Welcome to the next match of Priscilla finding the perfect co-i mean opponents, and this time I'll using the good'ol Shounen characters here (tho the other that is pending aren't mostly Shounen lel, there's Kazuya Mishima for example), and remind me that it's been a while since my last Naruto match, so I'll give it a try for a bit so expect some of Naruto matches from me, albeit not going to be much, it's mostly about Sasuke lel


  • Hebi Sasuke with Sharingan actived is used, CS2 is restricted
  • Speed are equalized
  • Both are in-characters
  • Starting Range: 100 meters
  • Win via anything!


 
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We already established in other threads that her profile is very outdated but op keeps making matchups.
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Why not? She is lucky
This ain’t Fate 😛
Not with cm type 2 and law manipulation, no
Is the mind in Re zero conceptual or abstract? If not than Genjutsu is gonna work on her. Also the ability she resisted works by bending the concepts and laws but that doesn’t mean that her soul and mind becomes conceptual in nature,
neither does it suggest that was hit on a conceptual level (at least that’s what I can gather from both profiles)
  • All Conceptual Manipulators are bound by the application of the object of the concepts they have been shown to manipulate. A character able to manipulate the concept of light cannot use this conceptual manipulation to increase the potency of their Mind Manipulation, for example. Similarly, concepts that have not shown weaponization of some sort cannot be used offensively.
This is from the conceptual manipulation which explicitly states this.
Tf, no? It's passive, but even if it was, so what?
Forgor to put an extra word in there
Okay, she will block or dodge it based on intuition
Sasuke has better precognition
Ahh that’s why I don’t remember this, it’s from 2024
I mean supernatural luck is a very tricky ability to fight around, has always been that way. Ofc, I don't think her supernatural luck gets to the level of outright reality warping, but if you check the justification it'll allow her to at least do things like block/dodge attacks properly and land them at the perfect moment and stuff ig.
In her justification I just she see her being able to win games of rock paper and scissors. This not like Nasuverse where their luck stat allows them to manipulate cause and effect. Plus it’s never has been shown to be relevant in combat
Yeah except minus everything that actually makes the ability busted for her (CM2 & Law hax) so it just ain't working for him. His layers don't matter here since it is not CM2 or Law.
Same thing as above
Bro what??? My guy this is HEBI Sasuke this is way before he fights against Danzo or Itachi so his feats in those keys aren't even inapplicable except maybe for the Itachi one and it depends.
Yea? Hebi sasuke was training solely to kill Itachi, so all his tactics are gonna be the same as he used during his fight against Itachi
I'm sorry to burst your bubble and ruin your grand plans but adding layers to the fear hax does not change the fact she will still resist them because his fear hax is not CM2 or Law.
Once again you have to prove that it’s on a conceptual level. Authorities bend concepts and laws, ok good 👍

How does that make all her attacks conceptual? It needs to be specified what that conceptual manipulation and law manipulation does as stated by the wiki in order to be used offensively in crossverse matches
 
You guys should warned me way when my first Priscilla match happened smh 🗿🗿🗿
Didn't we literally immediately determine it was a stomp before it even got to the point we needed to go into that much detail? I didn't know her profile is outdated. I haven't looked at it in a while. She hasn't even had a matchup in a while.
 
Didn't we literally immediately determine it was a stomp before it even got to the point we needed to go into that much detail? I didn't know her profile is outdated. I haven't looked at it in a while. She hasn't even had a matchup in a while.
At least you guys did notice it, but at the same time I get my full interest on Priscilla in a bad timing it seems, considering she's outdated, but is she still usable that's the question
 
Tbf I have to add like 3 or 4 blog worth of skill feats, each one being a million words long or smth

ts tuff being a fan of a series with too much content 🥀

Anyways, since starting distance is 100m, how is Sasuke realistically avoiding being charred on the first move?

Him starting with genjutsu isn't a guarantee and with Priscilla's luck, he probably wouldn't start off with that most of the times. He starts off with like a 2x speed disadvantage and any amps will be countered by priscilla's own speed amps, maintaing the speed gap.

Shunshin also might be a blitz but yang magic amp is a perception blitz amp and it can be maintained throughout the fight unlike shunshin which only momentarily boosts him
 
In all seriousness, she is confident going into battle with little information without ever worrying about consequences because of it and has never truly lost in a meaningful way... except for when she chose to "lose" 💀 It's very clearly implied it is battle effective in some way.
Sure but to what extent? that we don’t know. Plus it could be her personality that makes her seem confident in whatever battle she goes into (which is true) and that she has one of the strongest sword in all of Re zero
Tbf I have to add like 3 or 4 blog worth of skill feats, each one being a million words long or smth

ts tuff being a fan of a series with too much content 🥀
Real, revamping profiles for the main cast takes sooo much time and effort
Anyways, since starting distance is 100m, how is Sasuke realistically avoiding being charred on the first move?
Sunshin out
Him starting with genjutsu isn't a guarantee and with Priscilla's luck, he probably wouldn't start off with that most of the times.
As I said we don’t know how much her luck effects the outcome of battles and what its effects are on thing such as attacks. It’s not like Reinhard who has probability manipulation.

And Sasuke starts off with Genjutsu, in-fact the very first instance we see of him in Shippuden he casts a Genjutsu on Sai. So it’s his starting move
He starts off with like a 2x speed disadvantage and any amps will be countered by priscilla's own speed amps, maintaing the speed gap.

Shunshin also might be a blitz but yang magic amp is a perception blitz amp and it can be maintained throughout the fight unlike shunshin which only momentarily boosts him
He still has chidori which can be used in tandem with sunshin. Plus Kirin which is speed of light
 
Tbf I have to add like 3 or 4 blog worth of skill feats, each one being a million words long or smth

ts tuff being a fan of a series with too much content 🥀

Anyways, since starting distance is 100m, how is Sasuke realistically avoiding being charred on the first move?
By dodging
Him starting with genjutsu isn't a guarantee and with Priscilla's luck, he probably wouldn't start off with that most of the times. He starts off with like a 2x speed disadvantage and any amps will be countered by priscilla's own speed amps, maintaing the speed gap.
Speed is equalised. Where is 2x disadvantage coming from?

Actually Sasuke amps are too overwhelming, shunshin, chidori, sharingan then curse mark.

Curse mark, shunshin and chidori are all blitz amps while sharingan is more on reactions and perception
Shunshin also might be a blitz but yang magic amp is a perception blitz amp and it can be maintained throughout the fight unlike shunshin which only momentarily boosts him
Highly skilled shinobi maintain shunshin for much of their battle. CSM1 is also just a form. It's only chidori that he won't use throughout. Oh and sharingan takes care of the perception amp though it's not like higher perception helps much when you don't have the speed to dodge.


Well she still ends up in Sasuke's genjutsu
 
Where are y'all seeing this CM2 stuff?
It’s from the witches authority which is from here

Also sasuke shringan is already active so there won’t be an amp from it
 
It’s from the witches authority which is from here
OH I see
Also sasuke shringan is already active so there won’t be an amp from it
Not really. His perception and reaction speed are still over his combat speed which is what is equalised
 
I am finally home, yall are cooked (jk)


Real, revamping profiles for the main cast takes sooo much time and effort
frfr. ong if we did not have zab, the RZ profiles would NEVER stay updated

its also tappei's fault for stuffing so much content in such a short time, like we literally just got Reinhards profile upto date and not even a month later he now has access to new abilities, we are seeing a verse wide revision on stamina and regen capabilities and so on 🥀
Sunshin out
how far can he travel with sunshin
As I said we don’t know how much her luck effects the outcome of battles and what its effects are on thing such as attacks. It’s not like Reinhard who has probability manipulation.
true but at the same time, its realistically going to give her an advantage in such situations
And Sasuke starts off with Genjutsu, in-fact the very first instance we see of him in Shippuden he casts a Genjutsu on Sai. So it’s his starting move
i still dont see his genjutsu working due to law and cm type 2 hax, I didnt have time to respond to the previous statement, but essentially all authorities bend the very concept of whatever they are affecting. So, soulwashing bends the concept of soul stuff to affect it, along with affecting the bodily senses and the abstract mind (and also the physical body as well since it can transfer damage) or in simpler terms authorities manifest a concept, rather than just being simple abilities

Thus, Priscilla, who resisted this, would be completely invulnerable to Genjutsu here. The layers isnt the issue, its the fact that a more abstract and complex hax was essentially useless

(And also, realistically she just counters via her intuition anyway)
He still has chidori which can be used in tandem with sunshin. Plus Kirin which is speed of light
Sure but that just barely matches up with yang buff and yang sword buff (the yang sword gives a massive boost, where a normal human character could respond to sub rel attacks but lets leave the exact value aside for now)


By dodging
i dont remember sunshin being capable of granting hundreds of meters of movement
Speed is equalised. Where is 2x disadvantage coming from?
someone mentioned it above, apparently speed is equalized now
Highly skilled shinobi maintain shunshin for much of their battle.
could you drop a scan for this?
CSM1 is also just a form. It's only chidori that he won't use throughout. Oh and sharingan takes care of the perception amp though it's not like higher perception helps much when you don't have the speed to dodge.
Just to be clear a blitz is a physical movement blitz whereas a perception blitz is a blitz where the opponent cant even percieve you moving.
Julius also had a higher perception speed and still needed the buff, so yang buff is indeed a bit higher

Essentially to scale it, combat speed of julius<Perception speed of julius<Yang buff Julius
This same amp is smth that can be applied to Priscilla
 
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He blitzes people with it. It means something but won't go anywhere arguing over with you.
If you don't want to argue then just send an actual tangible feat? Saying "he blitzes people with this technique" or "well the data books says it's really fast" literally doesn't mean anything unless we know how fast the people are that he blitzes, so we can then compare it to Priscilla, if there is ever a mention that it raises his speed by x amount of times or something etc.
He literally does.
Can you name me all the fights where Hebi Sasuke starts with Chidori?
And why not?
Holy moly man...please go and actually read both combatant's pages BEFORE arguing for a character, this is why shonen matchups always end in random FRA stuff bro I swear 😭 I have been consistently saying this entire thread why.
He would be impeded by a mysterious sword he's never seen before and sees it's able to cut stuff and pass through them.
Except this doesn't line up with your earlier logic of Sasuke instantly blitzing her and her not being able to even hit him with her sword lol, and he wouldn't be able to deduce this unless he's literally seen it happen in which case he dies like 9/10 times.
He goes in for a sword attack, she reacts with the sword, soon as he feels it didn't make contact he substitutes away and reanalyzes the sword and deduces it either passes through objects because it's intangible or it only cuts what she wants. You're being dense for no reason. I never once said he'd start with Kirin. I'm not gonna continue responding to you if it's gonna be like this.
I know the person who literally just made a blatant NLF claim is not calling others dense, you never mentioned he starts with Kirin, yet you have consistently been arguing around Sasuke using Kirin the minute you found out most his other starter abilities wouldn't be viable, when the entire point of this conversation up to now was that she has the ability to instantly kill him at the start of the fight where as he doesn't have that luxury. Quit the semantics, atp don't even bother responding if this is what your arguments are going to circle into, I'll make my vote and call it a day I'm not gonna go back and forth with these NLF and "I think so this is how'd it go" arguments that blatantly go against SBA rules.
Why was she worried about killing everyone in the city then?
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Because of Sirius's ability that makes it so any damage she takes that might kill her (i.e the damage Priscilla can instantly dish our with her sword) is transferred to everyone who's under her authority, it has nothing to do with this fight.
 
This ain’t Fate 😛
This is indeed not Fate, her luck hax isn't that broken.
Is the mind in Re zero conceptual or abstract?
When it's affected by an authority yes, check Sirius's profile.
In her justification I just she see her being able to win games of rock paper and scissors. This not like Nasuverse where their luck stat allows them to manipulate cause and effect. Plus it’s never has been shown to be relevant in combat
Yeah it isn't, as I said before not on the level of outright reality warping so it can probably do no more than only allow her to do things like make the right attacks, blocks, etc. Since it does nudge events in her favor, that is precisely what the game of rock paper scissors is showing, she doesn't have mind reading and she isn't some genius who can 100% guess what Subaru will toss out she just tosses out anything and wins.
Yea? Hebi sasuke was training solely to kill Itachi, so all his tactics are gonna be the same as he used during his fight against Itachi
Not tactics really, I meant actual speed and strength because there is a considerable time gap between start of Shippuden Hebi Sasuke and Itachi fight Hebi Sasuke, also those tactics he used against Itachi were only for Itachi and no one else so I do not believe they are viable in character, someone correct me if I'm wrong cuz every other fight he's in he doesn't use these tactics against anyone other than Itachi.
Once again you have to prove that it’s on a conceptual level. Authorities bend concepts and laws, ok good 👍

How does that make all her attacks conceptual? It needs to be specified what that conceptual manipulation and law manipulation does as stated by the wiki in order to be used offensively in crossverse matches
Dude I don't have to prove anything just read the page, it's proven there for you to see. Though tbf, in this case both of these are just outdated lmao but this stuff is shown in Sirius's profile I recommend looking at that and reading what her authority does in the notable feats section.
 
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frfr. ong if we did not have zab, the RZ profiles would NEVER stay updated

its also tappei's fault for stuffing so much content in such a short time, like we literally just got Reinhards profile upto date and not even a month later he now has access to new abilities, we are seeing a verse wide revision on stamina and regen capabilities and so on 🥀
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true but at the same time, its realistically going to give her an advantage in such situations
Sure, but that’s highly speculative
i still dont see his genjutsu working due to law and cm type 2 hax, I didnt have time to respond to the previous statement, but essentially all authorities bend the very concept of whatever they are affecting. So, soulwashing bends the concept of soul stuff to affect it, along with affecting the bodily senses and the abstract mind (and also the physical body as well since it can transfer damage) or in simpler terms authorities manifest a concept, rather than just being simple abilities

Thus, Priscilla, who resisted this, would be completely invulnerable to Genjutsu here. The layers isnt the issue, its the fact that a more abstract and complex hax was essentially useless
Here’s the problem,

authorities have conceptual manipulation thats a fact. But what’s up for debate is that the one Perscilla resisted does employ that conceptual manipulation. Simply being a sub-stat of an ability that manipulates concepts doesn’t automatically make all instances of that ability conceptual in nature.

Your very own ability description gives the notion that they can manipulate concepts via their witch factors but aren’t always doing so, it’s a case by case scenario. This also isn’t help by the fact that the profiles don’t even list these abilities/resistance under/on the characters Abilities/resistance. Or I could be wrong and the novels state that Sirus attacked/controlled Perscilla soul at a conceptual level but didn’t work, if not than I don’t see why Genjutsu wouldn’t work.
(And also, realistically she just counters via her intuition anyway)
That’s not happening 💀
When it's affected by an authority yes, check Sirius's profile.

Yeah it isn't, as I said before not on the level of outright reality warping so it can probably do no more than only allow her to do things like make the right attacks, blocks, etc. Since it does nudge events in her favor, that is precisely what the game of rock paper scissors is showing, she doesn't have mind reading and she isn't some genius who can 100% guess what Subaru will toss out she just tosses out anything and wins.
Same thing as above
Not tactics really, I meant actual speed and strength because there is a considerable time gap between start of Shippuden Hebi Sasuke and Itachi fight Hebi Sasuke, also those tactics he used against Itachi were only for Itachi and no one else so I do not believe they are viable in character, someone correct me if I'm wrong cuz every other fight he's in he doesn't use these tactics against anyone other than Itachi.
he can use these tactics and have used them in the future as well. The reason he doesn’t do so in the war arc is cuz is after ten tails Jin’s and rinnegan users
Dude I don't have to prove anything just read the page, it's proven there for you to see. Though tbf, in this case both of these are just outdated lmao but this stuff is shown in Sirius's profile I recommend looking at that and reading what her authority does in the notable feats section.
Same thing as I said to Satella
 
Here’s the problem,

authorities have conceptual manipulation thats a fact. But what’s up for debate is that the one Perscilla resisted does employ that conceptual manipulation. Simply being a sub-stat of an ability that manipulates concepts doesn’t automatically make all instances of that ability conceptual in nature.

Your very own ability description gives the notion that they can manipulate concepts via their witch factors but aren’t always doing so, it’s a case by case scenario. This also isn’t help by the fact that the profiles don’t even list these abilities/resistance under/on the characters Abilities/resistance. Or I could be wrong and the novels state that Sirus attacked/controlled Perscilla soul at a conceptual level but didn’t work, if not than I don’t see why Genjutsu wouldn’t work.
What are you talking about...? This makes no sense, that's like saying "lightning style is the ability to create lightning but you need to prove that chidori is lightning style" authorities are CM & law, Priscilla resists an authority, there is nothing more to debate here.
The reason he doesn’t do so in the war arc is cuz is after ten tails Jin’s and rinnegan users
Bro...I think you missed the part where the OP said this is against HEBI Sasuke why are we even mentioning war arc😭 😭 😭
 
What are you talking about...? This makes no sense, that's like saying "lightning style is the ability to create lightning but you need to prove that chidori is lightning style"
Erm actually lightning style transmutes chkara to take on the properties of lightning hence creating real lightning
authorities are CM & law, Priscilla resists an authority, there is nothing more to debate here.
Some distinction here, witch factors can manipulate law/concepts not that they are concepts/law (that’s what’s written on the profiles). That’s why I ask for proof that soul wash is conceptual, cuz the profiles say they can manipulate law/concepts with their witch factors not that every instance of it contains concepts/laws manipulation
Bro...I think you missed the part where the OP said this is against HEBI Sasuke why are we even mentioning war arc😭 😭 😭
You mentioned about how he fights in other battles sooo…
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Erm actually lightning style transmutes chkara to take on the properties of lightning hence creating real lightning
You're right man it's nature transformation actually 🤫
Some distinction here, witch factors can manipulate law/concepts not that they are concepts/law (that’s what’s written on the profiles). That’s why I ask for proof that soul wash is conceptual, cuz the profiles say they can manipulate law/concepts with their witch factors not that every instance of it contains concepts/laws manipulation
I think there's a misunderstanding here, again, not that I can really blame you since the profiles are outdated. Witch factor's are CM/laws, the same way blessings are laws. They are just basically blessings that work on a higher level for witches, it's not that they can only manipulate laws/concepts that's what witch factor's literally are.
You mentioned about how he fights in other battles sooo…
I meant other fights as Hebi Sasuke 😭
 
Also put my vote down for the lady.
I'm holding it right now, I want to see the conclusion before putting your vote
But of course until then, if peoples start FRA train here I will instantly ignore or rejecting it before we reach conclusion
 
You're right man it's nature transformation actually 🤫

I think there's a misunderstanding here, again, not that I can really blame you since the profiles are outdated. Which factor's are CM/laws, the same way blessings are laws. They are just basically blessings that work on a higher level for witches, it's not that they can only manipulate laws/concepts that's what which factor's literally are.
Sasuke main win con is gone than
I meant other fights as Hebi Sasuke 😭
👁️👄👁️
 
i dont remember sunshin being capable of granting hundreds of meters of movement
It does , pretty easily, in fact Naruto has used it over kms
someone mentioned it above, apparently speed is equalized now
Yeah
could you drop a scan for this?
I don't know how I'm supposed to drop entire fight scenes. Shunshin is just using chakra on your feet to move faster, that's all.
Just to be clear a blitz is a physical movement blitz whereas a perception blitz is a blitz where the opponent cant even percieve you moving.
Julius also had a higher perception speed and still needed the buff, so yang buff is indeed a bit higher
Chidori is actually a perception blitz even to the person using it itself, the sharingan just stops that effect on yourself so I'm pretty sure Sasuke with his 3 amps is still ahead
Essentially to scale it, combat speed of julius<Perception speed of julius<Yang buff Julius
This same amp is smth that can be applied to Priscilla
And sasuke goes from base to CSM and can stack shunshin or chidori on top while having a higher perception due to sharingan. Sasuke has the speed advantage
 
i still dont see his genjutsu working due to law and cm type 2 hax, I didnt have time to respond to the previous statement, but essentially all authorities bend the very concept of whatever they are affecting. So, soulwashing bends the concept of soul stuff to affect it, along with affecting the bodily senses and the abstract mind (and also the physical body as well since it can transfer damage) or in simpler terms authorities manifest a concept, rather than just being simple abilities

Thus, Priscilla, who resisted this, would be completely invulnerable to Genjutsu here. The layers isnt the issue, its the fact that a more abstract and complex hax was essentially useless
This shit is not on her profile so you gotta drop a comprehensive scan for this for me to take it seriously.

The scan you drops says authorities manifest concepts sure but how does that equate to affecting the concept of the mind? Or the body senses or the soul?
What exactly is the concept that is being manifested here? Is there any additional evidence even slightly supporting your claim?
 
i still dont see his genjutsu working due to law and cm type 2 hax, I didnt have time to respond to the previous statement, but essentially all authorities bend the very concept of whatever they are affecting. So, soulwashing bends the concept of soul stuff to affect it, along with affecting the bodily senses and the abstract mind (and also the physical body as well since it can transfer damage) or in simpler terms authorities manifest a concept, rather than just being simple abilities

Thus, Priscilla, who resisted this, would be completely invulnerable to Genjutsu here. The layers isnt the issue, its the fact that a more abstract and complex hax was essentially useless
This shit is not on her profile so you gotta drop a comprehensive scan for this for me to take it seriously.

The scan you drops says authorities manifest concepts sure but how does that equate to affecting the concept of the mind? Or the body senses or the soul?
What exactly is the concept that is being manifested here? Is there any additional evidence even slightly supporting your claim?
I want you to choose your answer wisely coz you're a bit wrong about this.

If I hit you with the concept of fire and you resist it , it doesn't mean you're immune to fire manipulation, it depends on a case by case bases.

For example I invoke the concept of fire directly on you. If the fire never ignites then you have resistance to conceptual manipulation. You're not resistant to normal fire itself , you resisted the cause so the effect never landed

So yeah I think if it really conceptual hax at work then the conceptual part of her mind and soul would be fine from any attacks. Her brain though? Totally up for grabs
 
It does , pretty easily, in fact Naruto has used it over kms
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Yeah

I don't know how I'm supposed to drop entire fight scenes. Shunshin is just using chakra on your feet to move faster, that's all.
idk, thats your issue, show me a scene or scan of it
Chidori is actually a perception blitz even to the person using it itself, the sharingan just stops that effect on yourself so I'm pretty sure Sasuke with his 3 amps is still ahead
chidori is equal to a yang buff, except that its temporary, noice
And sasuke goes from base to CSM and can stack shunshin or chidori on top while having a higher perception due to sharingan. Sasuke has the speed advantage
I looked at this profile actually and unironically, his base speed which is marked is with shunshin, he is 0.028c WITH shunshin. cs 1 and 2 only have Far higher ratings and as far as i can see overwhelming someone in speed doesnt amount to much. SoL with kirin but he isnt launching that before getting ash'd

Sasuke is not dealing with a constant perception blitz + another blitz amp from the yang sword
This shit is not on her profile so you gotta drop a comprehensive scan for this for me to take it seriously.
it is on her profile, literally just read:
The scan you drops says authorities manifest concepts sure but how does that equate to affecting the concept of the mind? Or the body senses or the soul?
here is the full breakdown of her authority:
  • Authority of Wrath, Soulwashing: Sirius can share or transmit her emotions and senses to others. The trigger for being affected by her Authority is simply seeing her, hearing her voice, feeling her presence, or being aware of her existence. After polarizing emotions such as anger or sorrow, she can transmit it to any person in their vicinity, either taking control of them or resonating a certain emotion between a certain amount of people to raise it to the point of madness which can easily cause death. If she is hurt or anyone else around her is hurt, she can transmit the injury to whomever she wishes, and also intensify it. Additionally, if anyone dies within the effect area of her Authority's effect, she can force others within the same area to die the same way, this also includes herself, so killing her will also result in the death of her enemy and anyone in the surrounding area. The Authority's power to link emotions, senses, and souls cannot be stopped even by Shamak- a spell which severs a person's senses from their body.

snip (misunderstanding of how cm works)

So yeah I think if it really conceptual hax at work then the conceptual part of her mind and soul would be fine from any attacks. Her brain though? Totally up for grabs
Sirius's authority works on the mind,body and soul, its also much more abstract due to cm and law manip. Just because you think differently doesnt mean anything here.

Anyways, count my vote for priscilla, Sasuke will likely go for a sword fight and burn to death
 
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idk, thats your issue, show me a scene or scan of it
I don't need to coz it's already on his profile. It's funny because I'm reading your reply and you quoted the speed section talking about how shunshin is marked with his base speed yet you just ignored the "incorporated shunshin into his battle style" part.
chidori is equal to a yang buff, except that its temporary, noice
Except he still has CSM and shunshin which are blitz worthy and a much better reaction on top of that
I looked at this profile actually and unironically, his base speed which is marked is with shunshin, he is 0.028c WITH shunshin. cs 1 and 2 only have Far higher ratings and as far as i can see overwhelming someone in speed doesnt amount to much. SoL with kirin but he isnt launching that before getting ash'd
That's why his rating is at least sub rel and not rel. The person editing just didn't feel it is necessary to edit it.
Overwhelming someone with speed does amount to like 70% of the battle . He isn't getting turned to ash. He is vastly faster than her and he still has substitution jutsu if the attack lands. Actually he even has orochimaro substitution on the off chance that his normal substitution doesn't work.
He doesn't even need Kirin but if he wants he'd still land it
Sasuke is not dealing with a constant perception blitz + another blitz amp from the yang sword
He's faster. He doesn't need to deal with it. He has a perception blitz amp and 2 other blitz amps and a still higher perception with sharingan than all of the above
it is on her profile, literally just read:


here is the full breakdown of her authority:





Sirius's authority works on the mind,body and soul, its also much more abstract due to cm and law manip. Just because you think differently doesnt mean anything here.

Anyways, count my vote for priscilla, Sasuke will likely go for a sword fight and burn to death
This said profile just fails to somehow mention "resistance to conceptual manipulation".

I'm just telling you that she resists the authority itself and as a result the sub abilities. It doesn't make her immune to all forms of soul and mind manipulation. Heck genjutsu targets the nervous system also so she's still cooked.

You can vote who you want, I didn't say you can't.


Anyways voting Sasuke
 
I don't need to coz it's already on his profile. It's funny because I'm reading your reply and you quoted the speed section talking about how shunshin is marked with his base speed yet you just ignored the "incorporated shunshin into his battle style" part.
Forgot to remove that part after reading it, but its still not on his profile so i did appreciate if you could show a scan for it
Except he still has CSM and shunshin which are blitz worthy and a much better reaction on top of that
you literally just said shunshin is part of his base speed
That's why his rating is at least sub rel and not rel. The person editing just didn't feel it is necessary to edit it.
Overwhelming someone with speed does amount to like 70% of the battle . He isn't getting turned to ash. He is vastly faster than her and he still has substitution jutsu if the attack lands. Actually he even has orochimaro substitution on the off chance that his normal substitution doesn't work.
He doesn't even need Kirin but if he wants he'd still land it
if shunshin is part of his base speed then he just has csm and chidori as speed amps
He's faster. He doesn't need to deal with it. He has a perception blitz amp and 2 other blitz amps and a still higher perception with sharingan than all of the above
chidori is a temp perception blitz, and only csm as an upgrade and even that is only rated as "higher", nowhere do i see any scans of it being "blitz" worthy, so do drop a scan for that
This said profile just fails to somehow mention "resistance to conceptual manipulation".
cm has been added like a few weeks ago? It was already mentioned that her profile is outdated
I'm just telling you that she resists the authority itself and as a result the sub abilities. It doesn't make her immune to all forms of soul and mind manipulation. Heck genjutsu targets the nervous system also so she's still cooked.
nervous system is still part of the body, so Sirius still targets that and what do you mean she resists the authority so she wont have the applications of said authority? if i resist a hax, i get a resistance to that hax, what are you waffling about?
You can vote who you want, I didn't say you can't.
i never said you were stopping me??
 
Forgot to remove that part after reading it, but its still not on his profile so i did appreciate if you could show a scan for it
It is on his profile..idk what you're asking for again
you literally just said shunshin is part of his base speed
Never said that. Please tag where I did
if shunshin is part of his base speed then he just has csm and chidori as speed amps
Absolutely no shinobi ever has their base and shunshin speed as the same thing.
chidori is a temp perception blitz, and only csm as an upgrade and even that is only rated as "higher", nowhere do i see any scans of it being "blitz" worthy, so do drop a scan for that
Check his kid profile. It's noted there
cm has been added like a few weeks ago? It was already mentioned that her profile is outdated
Then don't say "it's on her profile"
nervous system is still part of the body, so Sirius still targets that and what do you mean she resists the authority so she wont have the applications of said authority? if i resist a hax, i get a resistance to that hax, what are you waffling about?

i never said you were stopping me??
If I resist reality warping based mind manipulation, it doesn't mean I'm now immune to all forms of mind manipulation. Do you get it now?
Unless the conceptual manipulation is 1A or something, it doesn't make her immune to all forms of MM especially one that has layers

EDIT: to explain further, if character A is resistant to conceptual manipulation and character B uses conceptual manipulation to control people's minds then character A would not fall under the mind hax, not because he is resistant to mind manipulation but because he is resistant to the "cause" itself thereby making the ability not even work in of itself
 
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It is on his profile..idk what you're asking for again
the chapter number is referenced but there are no scans for such
Absolutely no shinobi ever has their base and shunshin speed as the same thing.
its on the profile man, fix it if its not true. Anyways, if shunshin is chakra on their feet then isnt that always active? anytime they want to move superhumanly they did have to incorporate chakra into their feet?
let me know if i am getting this wrong

And also, chidori wasnt exactly a perception blitz amp either, Kakashi needed a sharingan so he could use it safely at all because otherwise he would have been getting countered. Which means, forget perception blitz it isnt even a blitz amp since the opponent can easily react and counter it
Check his kid profile. It's noted there
just drop the line man, why are you having me go hunting
Then don't say "it's on her profile"
Her is talking about Sirius here
If I resist reality warping based mind manipulation, it doesn't mean I'm now immune to all forms of mind manipulation. Do you get it now?
Unless the conceptual manipulation is 1A or something, it doesn't make her immune to all forms of MM especially one that has layers

EDIT: to explain further, if character A is resistant to conceptual manipulation and character B uses conceptual manipulation to control people's minds then character A would not fall under the mind hax, not because he is resistant to mind manipulation but because he is resistant to the "cause" itself thereby making the ability not even work in of itself
You’re misunderstanding what the resistance actually applies to.

First, the “If I resist reality-warping mindhax, that doesn’t make me immune to all mindhax” analogy is a false analogy. In that example, the character resists an effect. Priscilla resisted the cause,the Authority itself by your own words, which VSBW explicitly treats as a higher form of resistance because the ability cannot initialize its domain alteration on her at all.


Second, you’re using equivocation on the phrase “resisting the cause.” You first define it as “the ability fails to activate,” then you shift to treating it as “resisting only the conceptual mechanism.” Those are two different things. Priscilla resisted the Authority as a system, not just one of its effects.


Third, you constructed a strawman. I never said Priscilla is immune to “all mind manipulation everywhere.” The claim is that she resists any hax that targets the same domains (mind, senses, soul-linked cognition) that the Authority already manipulates and that she directly no-sold. That is exactly how VSBW classifies cross-verse domain resistance.

Priscilla isn’t resisting “Conceptual Manipulation Type 2” as a mechanism.
She is resisting Sirius’s Authority, which directly manipulates the mind, body, and soul domains as stated on the profile and in-verse.


When a character resists an ability that manipulates an entire domain, the resistance applies to the domain itself, not only the mechanism used by the original ability.
 
the chapter number is referenced but there are no scans for such
But it's accepted though? Why do you still need scans
its on the profile man, fix it if its not true. Anyways, if shunshin is chakra on their feet then isnt that always active? anytime they want to move superhumanly they did have to incorporate chakra into their feet?
let me know if i am getting this wrong
No they still have combat speed separate from when they do that. Actually a lot of shinobi can't really use shunshin constantly, they're just stuck with their normal combat speed
And also, chidori wasnt exactly a perception blitz amp either, Kakashi needed a sharingan so he could use it safely at all because otherwise he would have been getting countered. Which means, forget perception blitz it isnt even a blitz amp since the opponent can easily react and counter it
No he needs the sharingan because he becomes so fast his own eyes can't even keep up and see anything else. Like he's perception blitzing his own self, that's why he can be countered. In this case the person is faster than kakashi normally and then when Kakashi uses chidori , he isn't overwhelming the person and as such the person can dodge and then counter him and he'll be helpless coz the speed at which he is moving at he can't even see the counter talkless of reacting. Hence the need for the sharingan. It's a perception blitz over his own combat speed so much so he himself can't see unless he is using the sharingan.
just drop the line man, why are you having me go hunting
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Her is talking about Sirius here

You’re misunderstanding what the resistance actually applies to.

First, the “If I resist reality-warping mindhax, that doesn’t make me immune to all mindhax” analogy is a false analogy. In that example, the character resists an effect. Priscilla resisted the cause,the Authority itself by your own words, which VSBW explicitly treats as a higher form of resistance because the ability cannot initialize its domain alteration on her at all.


Second, you’re using equivocation on the phrase “resisting the cause.” You first define it as “the ability fails to activate,” then you shift to treating it as “resisting only the conceptual mechanism.” Those are two different things. Priscilla resisted the Authority as a system, not just one of its effects.


Third, you constructed a strawman. I never said Priscilla is immune to “all mind manipulation everywhere.” The claim is that she resists any hax that targets the same domains (mind, senses, soul-linked cognition) that the Authority already manipulates and that she directly no-sold. That is exactly how VSBW classifies cross-verse domain resistance.

Priscilla isn’t resisting “Conceptual Manipulation Type 2” as a mechanism.
She is resisting Sirius’s Authority, which directly manipulates the mind, body, and soul domains as stated on the profile and in-verse.


When a character resists an ability that manipulates an entire domain, the resistance applies to the domain itself, not only the mechanism used by the original ability.
You're literally just agreeing with me.

She resisted the cause "the authority ' which is conceptual manipulation. Meaning the effect (soul body and mind manipulation) will never get to her in the first place. So she doesn't even get resistance to any of them but just conceptual manipulation.

So yeah that profile is just wrong based in the changes you said was implemented last week
Your thoughts are mumbled
.you say she resists the authority as a system and not the effects, yet go ahead to say she resists "soul mind and body manipulation" which are the effects of said authority
 
You're literally just agreeing with me.

She resisted the cause "the authority ' which is conceptual manipulation. Meaning the effect (soul body and mind manipulation) will never get to her in the first place. So she doesn't even get resistance to any of them but just conceptual manipulation.

So yeah that profile is just wrong based in the changes you said was implemented last week
Your thoughts are mumbled
.you say she resists the authority as a system and not the effects, yet go ahead to say she resists "soul mind and body manipulation" which are the effects of said authority
I hold this stance as well, though wasn’t able to say it like Karo

That’s why I said that every instance of this witch factor does not necessitate that it works on a conceptual level and hence asked for proof that Perscilla resisted mind/soul manipulation at a conceptual level
Here’s the problem,

authorities have conceptual manipulation thats a fact. But what’s up for debate is that the one Perscilla resisted does employ that conceptual manipulation. Simply being a sub-stat of an ability that manipulates concepts doesn’t automatically make all instances of that ability conceptual in nature.

Your very own ability description gives the notion that they can manipulate concepts via their witch factors but aren’t always doing so, it’s a case by case scenario. This also isn’t help by the fact that the profiles don’t even list these abilities/resistance under/on the characters Abilities/resistance. Or I could be wrong and the novels state that Sirus attacked/controlled Perscilla soul at a conceptual level but didn’t work, if not than I don’t see why Genjutsu wouldn’t work.
saying "thats not happening" is not a counter

again, saying "no" is not a counter argument
This isn’t your standard illusion magic where one can infer the illusion via logical deduction and contradiction present in some shape or form. Genjutsu hijacks your very perception of reality and all other aspects that allows a human to perceive reality as a whole I.e all your senses, mind/consciousness, nervous system, brain and soul. So no you can’t “intuition” yourself out of it especially when far smarter (Extraordinarily Genius) are susceptible to it and know that they are trapped in one but still require outside intervention to break them out of shringan genjutsu.

Unless she has specific powernull for genjutsu which is also layered, she isn’t breaking out it
 
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No new arguments on both sides ATM so I guess I will start counting the existing votes now, Priscilla 2 (I recall Estella did voted back there but I don't remember), Sasuke 1 (or 2? Did Arkenis voted yet?), and 0 vote on incon
 
No new arguments on both sides ATM so I guess I will start counting the existing votes now, Priscilla 2 (I recall Estella did voted back there but I don't remember), Sasuke 1 (or 2? Did Arkenis voted yet?), and 0 vote on incon
Both alt and I voted for Sasuke
 
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