Saul Goodman vs Miles Edgeworth: Case - The Slender Man

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The US Government found a way to capture The Slenderman after years of his murders, and is now put to trial to be tried for his crimes.

Due to Slenderman's inability (or, reluctance) to speak to any adults in the area, Saul was given the mythological entity's case and is given 3 months to prepare before Slenderman's court day.

Against Saul, stands Miles Edgeworth as the prosecutor. Miles is given the same amount of time to prepare for Slenderman's court day.

Both Saul and Miles have access to speak to any living Slender Man victim.

Slenderman will stay in character for the entirety of the 3 months and on his court day, although will not kill anyone due to being in custody. This means Slenderman will not answer questions, speak, or show any readable interaction with humans beyond entering the court room and sitting down. (Saul was given a simple rundown of who Slenderman was due to it's reluctance to speak to him)

Profiles:

Saul Goodman

Jimmy McGill, better known by his clients as Saul Goodman, is a criminal lawyer in Albuquerque with extensive connections throughout the criminal underworld. A former con artist, Jimmy is initially an ambitious lawyer focused on doing the right thing. However, he is constantly met with...

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Miles Edgeworth

Miles Edgeworth is the Chief Prosecutor of the prosecutor's office in Los Angeles. During his first years as a prosecutor, he had a perfect win record in trials to get a guilty verdict for the defendant, however said record was crushed upon his defeat by his childhood friend Phoenix Wright. Said...

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Slender Man

We didn't want to go, we didn't want to kill them, but its persistent silence and outstretched arms horrified and comforted us at the same time...Children describing The Slender Man The Slender Man, also written as Slenderman, is the titular main antagonist of The Slender Mythos. It is an...

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bump.

 

[Imaginym]

I'm also interested in this, although I don't know Slenderman & Edgeworth as well as I'd like to, & I don't know Saul at all.

 

[Random-Helper323]

What's funny here, is that both the US and Japan's legal systems would function the same for this case. The main source of wrongful conviction in Japan is forced or faked confessions during their 23-day imprisonment and isolation for questioning with no lawyer present. Although the US also has some wrongful convictions from that method, and some pretty egregious ones at that.

Given that Slender isn't going to talk, this method of corruption is useless. Ironically, it's the best choice for him. I'm also guessing he doesn't have fingerprints or DNA, so material evidence isn't a thing here. I'm guessing there won't be a photograph or video of it killing someone here either. Miles' case will rest entirely on witnesses. Miles needs to be able to prove Slender did the crimes beyond a reasonable doubt. That requires evidence, such as witnesses identifying him.

TL;DR: Witnesses is likely the key here.

Saul has three ways to win and can play all three at once:

• 1. Discredit the witnesses.
  
  He can argue that no-one can prove for certain that he's the one responsible. this will fail if witnesses sufficiently identify him, but the fact he frequently changes appearance and inflicts illness on those who see him will give Saul ammunition to say their testimonies are insufficient, although the extremely specific appearance of Slender will make mistaken identity a hard line to sell. With such specific identifying characteristics, their ID will probably still hold true.

• 2. Insanity plea.
  
  He can also argue his freakish nature renders him insane; unable to understand his own actions and/or their consequences. An insanity plea. These almost always fail, and Slender refusing to speak to a psychiatrist will on one hand make him seem weird, but on the other prevent a profile for declaring him insane. This will probably fail, especially when weighing up the calculated nature of his crimes.

• 3. Coerce witnesses.
  
  His third option is to threaten or bribe witnesses to lie. Keeping in mind the witnesses will all want Slender convicted, and this method can really come back to bite Saul in the butt if the witnesses tell Miles that Saul did this, or better yet record him doing it, something Miles might ask them to do.

Miles has the following advantages: Miles can line the witnesses up on his side before the trial, given that they will obviously be on his side by default. If they tell him Saul threatened or tried to bribe them, this will also give Miles ammunition to light a fire under Saul's feet. Given Miles' history with Phoenix, he will certainly investigate, and Saul's almost inevitable attempts to sway the witnesses will probably be something he tries to get proof of. Given his last-minute autopsy report tricks, we know he isn't above digging for more evidence because what's currently on the table doesn't suit him, and getting testimony or better yet recordings of Saul threatening or attempting to bribe a witness will likely get Saul busted. From there Miles and the witnesses can go to town on Slender and nail his scrawny hide to the wall.

TL;DR: Saul attempts to discredit the witnesses, this might work but probably won't. He then threatens or attempts to bribe witnesses, and Miles gets evidence that he did this, gets him arrested pending his own trial for fraud and corruption and anything else Miles can dig up on him, and then Miles convicts Slender on all counts.

 

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Given that Slender isn't going to talk, this method of corruption is useless. Ironically, it's the best choice for him. I'm also guessing he doesn't have fingerprints or DNA, so material evidence isn't a thing here. I'm guessing there won't be a photograph or video of it killing someone here either. Miles' case will rest entirely on witnesses. Miles needs to be able to prove Slender did the crimes beyond a reasonable doubt. That requires evidence, such as witnesses identifying him.

There has been notes (although, none of them list him by name, usually due to the fact he kills people who try to do things like that) and and pictures prior to murders, however, looking at them makes people puke and become nauseous.

• 1. Discredit the witnesses.
  
  He can argue that no-one can prove for certain that he's the one responsible. this will fail if witnesses sufficiently identify him, but the fact he frequently changes appearance and inflicts illness on those who see him will give Saul ammunition to say their testimonies are insufficient, although the extremely specific appearance of Slender will make mistaken identity a hard line to sell. With such specific identifying characteristics, their ID will probably still hold true.

it should be noted that some Slenderman victims are devoted to him, or even mindcontrolled by him. so some victims might fight against convicting Slenderman.

 

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There has been notes (although, none of them list him by name, usually due to the fact he kills people who try to do things like that) and and pictures prior to murders, however, looking at them makes people puke and become nauseous.

Yeah, I mentioned that.

it should be noted that some Slenderman victims are devoted to him, or even mindcontrolled by him. so some victims might fight against convicting Slenderman.

Or just really ridiculous like the two real life girls who bashed another girl to death so they could live in the Creepypasta mansion with him in the now cleared away woods... Yes, this really happened.

If those witnesses behave like those two then they'd be disregarded pretty quickly.

 

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Or just really ridiculous like the two real life girls who bashed another girl to death so they could live in the Creepypasta mansion with him in the now cleared away woods... Yes, this really happened.

If those witnesses behave like those two then they'd be disregarded pretty quickly.

most of the ones who are devoted to him aren't crazy crazy like that, the only quirk they have is have a tendency to to use whatever they were controlled to do by slenderman to describe something. like someone would eat another human being for slenderman, and they'd begin to describe things how they 'taste'.

beyond that, they are actually fully functional human beings, who happen to have an obsession with Slenderman. i think they might get discarded due to their strange ways of describing things, but beyond that they shouldn't be too strange to get disregarded.

 

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What the ****

 

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What the ****

you'd be surprised how many times Victor Surge wrote in that Slenderman forced another human being to cannibalize a friend, or just random people on the original forum. (it was implied atleast 3 times, iirc)

guess he just doesn't like the cleanup afterwords.

 

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you'd be surprised how many times Victor Surge wrote in that Slenderman forced another human being to cannibalize a friend, or just random people on the original forum. (it was implied atleast 3 times, iirc)

guess he just doesn't like the cleanup afterwords.

I think the fact that two real life people were weird enough, ironically without any actual Slenderman influence, to do that weird crap for real is far stranger than fiction. Honestly, hearing those two in the interviews would have sounded like a child talking about their imaginary friend the fairy of the magic forest, if not for the sobering fact that they're explaining why they bashed an innocent girl into pieces...

 

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I think the fact that two real life people were weird enough, ironically without any actual Slenderman influence, to do that weird crap for real is far stranger than fiction. Honestly, hearing those two in the interviews would have sounded like a child talking about their imaginary friend the fairy of the magic forest, if not for the sobering fact that they're explaining why they bashed an innocent girl into pieces...

Yeah. with shit like this that happens due to the existence of Slenderman, you'd think his movies would be better. not like they have lacking stuff to work with.

1-A Slenderman for effecting the real world?

 

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Yeah. with shit like this that happens due to the existence of Slenderman, you'd think his movies would be better. not like they have lacking stuff to work with.

There aren't too many directors who could pull off the twisted psychological horror these days. Wes Craven (RIP), John Carpenter, the Insidious director, those are a few who could. But these days we'd either get a Sony movie somehow making the Slenderman movie about Milla Jovovich again, or something much worse.

1-A Slenderman for effecting the real world?

Joke Battles might allow for that, except I'm not sure they'd want to host a reference to a real-life murder of an innocent teenager as a joke.

 

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There aren't too many directors who could pull off the twisted psychological horror these days. Wes Craven (RIP), John Carpenter, the Insidious director, those are a few who could. But these days we'd either get a Sony movie somehow making the Slenderman movie about Milla Jovovich again, or something much worse.

Random mfers on youtube making better Slenderman film adaptations than studios moment.

Joke Battles might allow for that, except I'm not sure they'd want to host a reference to a real-life murder of an innocent teenager as a joke.

True.