SCP-001 (Dr. Clef's Proposal) vs. Yhwach

Talonmask · Sep 2, 2016

Seeing as Yhwach's versus thread ban has been lifted, who is the more powerful glowing sword wielder? The Gate Guardia or the Emperor of Wandenreich?

Both are at their strongest.

Speed is equalized.

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WeeklyBattles · Sep 2, 2016

God. Dammit. Talon.

Saikou_The_Lewd_King · Sep 2, 2016

Thou must debaaate, Weekly.

Talonmask · Sep 2, 2016

WeeklyBattles said:
God. Dammit. Talon.

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CrossverseCrisis · Sep 2, 2016

I predicted what Weekly wanted and desired. Therefore i am beast to even Yhwach's 'The Almighty'....nah i'm just joking. I did know for a fact that Weekly wanted to have Yhwach fight against an SCP character tho.

WeeklyBattles · Sep 2, 2016

CrossverseCrisis said:
I predicted what Weekly wanted and desired. Therefore i am beast to even Yhwach's 'The Almighty'....nah i'm just joking. I did know for a fact that Weekly wanted to have Yhwach fight against an SCP character tho.

Yeah...Talon beat me to it...

WeeklyBattles · Sep 2, 2016

Talonmask said:
WeeklyBattles said:

God. Dammit. Talon.

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Sorry...I just wanted to do this one...its ok though at least it got done at all

CrossverseCrisis · Sep 2, 2016

But seriously....will this be yet another match bragging about Yhwach's HAX or just an actual fight topic to discuss?

Talonmask · Sep 2, 2016

WeeklyBattles said:
Sorry...I just wanted to do this one...its ok though at least it got done at all

Don't apologize, you don't need to, it's just that I know we both had the idea and discussed it before so I thought I would make the thread.

I honestly feel bad, and kinda just want to remove it like it didn't happen so you can make it.

WeeklyBattles · Sep 2, 2016

Talonmask said:
WeeklyBattles said:

Sorry...I just wanted to do this one...its ok though at least it got done at all

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Don't apologize, you don't need to, it's just that I know we both had the idea and discussed it before so I thought I would make the thread.
I honestly feel bad, and kinda just want to remove it like it didn't happen so you can make it.

Nonono dont, its fine, dont feel bad...im sorry for overreacting like that...

Talonmask · Sep 2, 2016

Okay..

HokageMangaVox · Sep 2, 2016

SCP-001 is featless as Superman Prime, and has no hax to counter Almighty.

WeeklyBattles · Sep 2, 2016

Question (Since i actually dont know much about Yhwach's powers at the end) does Yhwach have resistance to mind and memory manipulation? Also does Yhwach start inside or outside of 001's kill radius?

Talonmask · Sep 2, 2016

Yhwach starts in 001's kill radius.

CrossverseCrisis · Sep 2, 2016

Isn't Yhwach's Dura like At least Moon level, whereas 001's highest is possibly 5-B?

Talonmask · Sep 2, 2016

Yhwach is At least 5-B in AP, so I would assume both are capable of killing each other.

If Yhwach isn't somehow capable of defeating 001 quickly, then he will be moved to just outside his kill radius.

CrossverseCrisis · Sep 2, 2016

Mmm. There's the fact that 001's attack can also ingnore conventional durability. Then again if Yhwach is killed, he can do just like what was done in his fight against Ichigo and just pick a future where he wasn't killed in for. Hmm...

WeeklyBattles · Sep 2, 2016

Even if he's just outside the kill radius (Unless he has resistance to it) he'd still be susceptible to 001's mind and memory manipulation.

CrossverseCrisis · Sep 2, 2016

Well it doesn't say he has any resistance towards it.

For 001's part, there's not much else known of it other than that it'll attack anything it gets in it's radius or if something hits it (going by it's range levels, i mean).

But Yhwach does have the other abilities of his Sternritters...or at least what i assume he most likely has them. Couldn't he also use like Gremmy's imagination ability to do something to 001? Or anything else even for that matter?

WeeklyBattles · Sep 2, 2016

Yeah if Yhwach tries to attack 001 but doesn't go straight for a kill then 001 will just erase him from existance and if he gets too close he can just make Yhwach forget what's going on

HokageMangaVox · Sep 2, 2016

WeeklyBattles said:
Yeah if Yhwach tries to attack 001 but doesn't go straight for a kill

Yhwach always goes for the killed, the only exception was the main character, because plot armor. He decided to toy with him, which is out of character.

WeeklyBattles · Sep 2, 2016

True, but there's a few problems. 001's mind and memory manipulation could mess with his precog, so even if he sees that trying to attack 001 physically would kill him 001 can erase that, though I'm not sure if he would just regain that precognition again...

HokageMangaVox · Sep 2, 2016

WeeklyBattles said:
True, but there's a few problems. 001's mind and memory manipulation could mess with his precog,

Weaknesses: His premonition works on neither the Soul King nor Mimihagi. Yhwach's Almighty cannot dispell Illusions if they are placed on him before The Almighty was activated.

^ If It can affect him before he activates the Almighty then sure, however: Self-Power Restoration: Should Yhwach's physical or spiritual capabilities be impaired by his opponent, he can easily restore them.

WeeklyBattles · Sep 2, 2016

Does he need to remember that he has Self-Power Restoration or does it actiate on its own? 001's mind hax are potent enough to control the founder of the Foundation for the rest of his life, so 001 ay be able to drastically alter Yhwach's mind and memories to the point where he forgets he has all of those powers unless the Self-Power Restoration is automatic.

HokageMangaVox · Sep 2, 2016

WeeklyBattles said:
Does he need to remember that he has Self-Power Restoration or does it actiate on its own? 001's mind hax are potent enough to control the founder of the Foundation for the rest of his life, so 001 ay be able to drastically alter Yhwach's mind and memories to the point where he forgets he has all of those powers unless the Self-Power Restoration is automatic.

WeeklyBattles · Sep 2, 2016

Oh sorry, I forgot about that part, yeah 001's mind hax are automatic so they should activate before Yhwach activates the Almighty. The scans you just posted though didn't show him losing his memory, just his powers.

Also, this is 001 at its strongest, ie. its future timeline active state, so it's not only active but its going to be actively trying to kill Yhwach instead of staying stationary and waiting for Yhwach to attack. And since that's the case I think 001 would win, it mind haxes Yhwach and uses that opening to erase the Emperor from existence.

HokageMangaVox · Sep 2, 2016

WeeklyBattles said:
Oh sorry, I forgot about that part, yeah 001's mind hax are automatic so they should activate before Yhwach activates the Almighty. The scans you just posted though didn't show him losing his memory, just his powers.
Also, this is 001 at its strongest, ie. its future timeline active state, so it's not only active but its going to be actively trying to kill Yhwach instead of staying stationary and waiting for Yhwach to attack. And since that's the case I think 001 would win, it mind haxes Yhwach and uses that opening to erase the Emperor from existence.

The scan shows Yhwach forgetting the name and powers of his own sword, when Ichibei ink it, and he was also ink with the same power as his sword. Are you implying that is a different power?

Maybe, since Yhwach can still come back from death, and 001 won't notice it, and he will just be absorb just like Aizen before Ichigo save him, by killing Yhwach. If he can't absorb him, he can always use Sank Altar to take away his powers.

WeeklyBattles · Sep 2, 2016

Yeah, Ichibe's has power over names, by splashing ink on the sword he removed its name and its powers. Its kinda hard to explain, I think the easiest way to put it is Ichibe has conceptual manipulation limited to the names of things, though I can see how that could be misinterpreted as mind manipulation. Perhaps someone a bi more familiar with Bleach can explain it better...

Dying and being removed from existence aren't really the same thing though...

HokageMangaVox · Sep 2, 2016

WeeklyBattles said:
Yeah, Ichibe's has power over names, by splashing ink on the sword he removed its name and its powers. Its kinda hard to explain, I think the easiest way to put it is Ichibe has conceptual manipulation limited to the names of things, though I can see how that could be misinterpreted as mind manipulation. Perhaps someone a bi more familiar with Bleach can explain it better...
Dying and being removed from existence aren't really the same thing though...

The point is Yhwach should have no memories about his powers or name after been hit by the ink, the fact that he can validates your first question above. Yes, after artering his memories, he can still get his memories back and become immune to it. Just like he did with Ichibei's power.

Ichibei already tried that by preventing his reincarnation, which is the cycle of life in the bleach universe. He still became immune to his attack and kill Ichibei. After death unless 001 can stop or negate Yhwach's almighty he will still come back, by changing the future to where he never died. Question is can 001 negate or stop powers of dead people?

HokageMangaVox · Sep 2, 2016

I just realized that this discussion is irrelevant. Yhwach became Immune to all of Ichibei's Hax who is Country lvl, the same tier as Kaguya. Yhwach will just one-shot her like he did to Ichibei. This is my final opinion on this thread.

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LordAizenSama · Sep 2, 2016

FYI to the people of this thread: Yhwachs The Almighty is on by default as it's passive. He just decided to have it off against Ichigo.

WeeklyBattles · Sep 2, 2016

As is 001's mind hax

CrossverseCrisis · Sep 2, 2016

@Hokage: You do realize that Yhwach here is fighting against SCP 001, right? I don't see how Kaguya (i presume its the Touhou one) is argued here when he's fighting against 001. Don't know if your trying to make a point here or it was a mistake...

@Aizen: Ah okay then.

HokageMangaVox · Sep 2, 2016

Oops, wrong. Thread. I mean to write it in this one:

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/416202?useskin=oasis#62

WeeklyBattles · Sep 2, 2016

Oh yeah, i was wondering what you were talking about lol

WeeklyBattles · Sep 3, 2016

So wait, who's voting for who here?

FinalBattleX01 · Sep 7, 2016

As far as I know the self-power restoration isnt automatic so Yhwach needs to actively use it. To that end I think SCP-001's memory manipulation is the perfect counter to Yhwach as he would forget all about his Almighty and other abilities (including self-restoration). After it has reduced Yhwach to a semi-vegetative state, it can just erase him from existence. It is unlikely Yhwach would be able to revive since it seems he has to actively trigger his revival at the time of death (if it was a passive, then he would have also revived the second time), but in this case he wouldnt remember to do so. Also, Im not even sure Yhwach could return from getting removed from existence, the closest thing to that that he's faced is Ichibei removing him from the reincarnation cycle, but he nullified that attack through Almighty before it could hit him, so we dont know if he would have survived it.

The only real question here is if Yhwach could nullify SCP-001's abilities through Almighty, and if so, would he be fast enough to do so before getting memory wiped. Seeing as Yhwach still needs to "see" all possible futures and pick one, I dont think he'll be as fast as SCP-001's mind hax which is automatic.

So yeah, SCP-001 takes this more often than not.

note: I dont know much about SCP-001, im just going off its profile so if I've said something wrong feel free to correct me.

Sotomaru · Sep 7, 2016

FinalBattleX01 said:
As far as I know the self-power restoration isnt automatic so Yhwach needs to actively use it. To that end I think SCP-001's memory manipulation is the perfect counter to Yhwach as he would forget all about his Almighty and other abilities (including self-restoration). After it has reduced Yhwach to a semi-vegetative state, it can just erase him from existence. It is unlikely Yhwach would be able to revive since it seems he seems to has to actively trigger his revival at the time of death (if it was a passive, then he would have also revived the second time), but in this case he wouldnt remember to do so. Also, Im not even sure Yhwach could return from getting removed from existence, the closest thing to that that he's faced is Ichibei removing him from the reincarnation cycle, but he nullified that attack through Almighty before it could hit him, so we dont know if he would have survived it.
The only real question here is if Yhwach could nullify SCP-001's abilities through Almighty, and if so, would he be fast enough to do so before getting memory wiped. Seeing as Yhwach still needs to "see" all possible futures and pick one, I dont think he'll be as fast as SCP-001's mind hax which is automatic.

So yeah, SCP-001 takes this more often than not.

note: I dont know much about SCP-001, im just going off its profile so if I've said something wrong feel free to correct me.

if all off yhwach's powers are disabled then how can he rewrite the future so he doesnt die ?

Sotomaru · Sep 7, 2016

just looked at scp-001's profile & went through his abilities why is this even a discussion yhwach stomps. also is yhwach allowed to use the sternritter abilities or not ?

FinalBattleX01 · Sep 7, 2016

@Sotomaru

I'm not quite sure what you're referring to, can you elaborate?

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