Shadow vs Zeref

[Blueblur24]

Couldn't zeref just reverse time back before getting bfr or does it not work like that ?

 

[DragonEmperor23]

He could.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Wouldn't getting banished outside of space-time prevent such?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Wouldn't getting banished outside of space-time prevent such?

Yes. Being banished to non-existence would insta-kill him, so he can't rewind time.

On a side note, is there a limit to how far Zeref can rewind time?

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Not really, he can do it as long as he has magic power and he has infinite magic power in Fairy Heart.

 

[Blueblur24]

Can he reverse time even if he is bfr outside of both space and time ?

 

[Blueblur24]

So basically can he reverse time back even if it doesn't exist where he is at ?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Can he reverse time even if he is bfr outside of both space and time ?

No, because not only does the Chaos Rift banish the opponent, it knocks them unconscious as well, plus Zeref can't survive outside space-time so he would be dead.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Being out of space time would kill him, the unconsciousness part of it wouldn't matter since he's come back from nothing before.

 

[Blueblur24]

Ok so how likely is zeref to use his death magic before getting bfr?

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Canonically, he's started off using his fists but after the first clash with Shadow and realizing that his physical power isn't enough he would use the death magic. If Shadow does start off with time stop then Zeref would probably start off with death magic considering how lethal time magic is in FT.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Actually, his fist is covered with Death Magic similar to Natsu's Fire Dragon fist attack.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Canonically, he's started off using his fists but after the first clash with Shadow and realizing that his physical power isn't enough he would use the death magic. If Shadow does start off with time stop then Zeref would probably start off with death magic considering how lethal time magic is in FT.

Shadow's never been consistent in how he starts his fights. He can start with almost anything really. Shadow also has the AP advantage and it's more than large enough for him to one shot Zeref. However the regen would be a ***** so he would have to use the Chaos Rift to permanently put him down.

 

[HST_Master]

Ok so how likely is zeref to use his death magic before getting bfr?

It's his main magic and way of attack so asap

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Oh yeah, forgot that part about the Death Fists. Then I vote Zeref since he can punch Shadow and he dies. Shadow could win with Chaos rift but Zeref always uses death magic and Shadow could start with anything else.

 

[Blueblur24]

He would have to hit shadow though and shadow tends to spam teleportation.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Zeref has a death barrier around him and a spell that spawns the death magic under the opponent(death pillar).

 

[HST_Master]

He would have to hit shadow though and shadow tends to spam teleportation.

He has multiple ways to use it, most of them long range via an Orb, Wave, or Pillar

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Does Zeref have a way to get around Shadow's Time Stop?

If so, I'll change my vote to him.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Would Shadow Guard be useful in shielding Shadow from Death Magic?

 

[Blueblur24]

He would have to hit shadow though and shadow tends to spam teleportation.

He has multiple ways to use it, most of them long range via an Orb, Wave, or Pillar

Yes but shadow could still dodge and teleport around those attacks.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Actually, I think Shadow's Indigo Asteroid could prevent physical contact.

 

[HST_Master]

@Blur

Death Predation is an omni directional wave

@Shadow

Nope so far the only thing capable is Dragon Scales

 

[Blueblur24]

Yea true if zeref gets close to indigo asteroid he gets ripped apart and absorbed. But could he come back from it via time reversal?

 

[Blueblur24]

@Hst master

He could still teleport away from it though.

What is the range of that attack ?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Yea true if zeref gets close to indigo asteroid he gets ripped apart and absorbed. But could he come back from it via time reversal?

If it rips him apart down to the atomic structure then Zeref has no way of coming back, because that bypasses Mid-High regen.

 

[Blueblur24]

Also could shadow heal work ?

 

[HST_Master]

hundreds of kilometers and yes, he's able to reverse getting vaporized by Natsu's attack effortlessly

 

[HST_Master]

plus having mid-high regen doesn't hurt

 

[DragonEmperor23]

@Maverick

Zeref has resistance to time manip, it's just not in his profile yet because the CRT hasn't gone through. It should be done soon.

 

[Schnee_One]

BTW can Shadow's BFR be escaped?

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

I don't think Zeref can escape BFR to outside space-time.

Unless we got a proof of Ravine of Time is actually outside space-time.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

I mean, it's a place with out space or time. Does that count?

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

RoT was described as "Nothingness" by Anna IIRC. But don't think that would be enough.

 

[Schnee_One]

No I mean

Can Zeref just escape the black hole to BFR?

I remember Tails flying out of it

 

[DragonEmperor23]

I'll make a CRT about it, what type of resistance would that count as?

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Ah...

Well, Z has wings but not sure if he can use it or not. Couldn't he just timestop the black hole or just teleported away from it?

 

[Schnee_One]

He can definitely teleport away yes

Wait why is this inhibited Shadow?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

So I have a question. Are we assuming Shadow starts with BFR? Because, going by Adventure 2, Heroes and Shadow the Hedgehog, Edgy the Hedgy here doesn't just BFR in character.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Excuse me?