Shinra Kusakabe & Arthur Boyle vs Subject - John Elemental Battlegrounds | [1-1-0]

[Delusionaltx2]

I was bored and wanted to match a roblox character up against something...unfortunetely i promised (kinda but not really) to lay off the deepwoken matchups and both of my johns I plan on upgrading so I figured...why not find a suitable matchup for EBG (his ahh is just gonna get power crept soon anyway)

• Speed equalized
• Obi Rescue Arc is used for shinra
• Base arthur is used
• Both teams start 50 meters away from each other

The fight takes place here

The Fighters​

The Strongest Roblox Elementist of Today: Arkansalter2

The Strongest Firefighters that I know of: Arkenis

Incon:

Notable info!1!1​

• EBG has a 4.6x ap/durability advantage however shinra can potentially midigate this by abusing his overall superior amps coupled with boosting his kinetic energy overtime (and arthur can do arthur things)
• Shinra can one shot with 7-A Adolla Burst
• EBG has an overall LS advantage with spells (Class K vs Class 5)
• Shinra and Arthur have a very high skill advantage (ofc)
• Most importantly...Shinra resists time stop (Yes...I'm looking at you arkan)

 

[Delusionaltx2]

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[Arkansalter2]

Yes...I'm looking at you arkan

f$@( you
That ANPR and INRE look pretty tough to deal with but they don't look too dazzling.
That said, That 4.6x AP advantage is ROUGH for Shinra, especially against EBG.
1. Johns can kill other Johns in literal seconds. If Shinra gets stunned even once, that's his ass.
2. Gonna be extremely hard for Shinra to kill John anyway. John will take damage yes, however Immo 2 and 3 covers that expense.
3. Anything remotely piercing will kill him. Why? No regeneration. Sure, he has survivability, but that damage is permanent.

Shinra would have to use his amps off the jump, and even then, he would have to deal with someone that will be leaping bounds while throwing out ricocheting AoE spells that reverse enemy movement (try hitting them with mace when they're like that lmao), instantly covering 30 meters with dashes, turning into puddles of acid that will envelop him on contact, several obnoxious attacks that pull Shinra to a singular point for a few seconds, invisibility that lets them move even faster than they already do, AoE knockback leaps, a contact spell that essentially allows them to swap position with Shinra for a time, the ability to grab-rush shinra and throw him around if he gets too close, this video does more justice to how nonexistant the startup attack on that move is.

Now can Shinra kill him? Maybe, given enough time. Will he? Probably not. John EBG has too many obnoxious options that will just wipe him before Shinra gets up to speed.
With that, going with EBG, mid diff.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

f$@( you

That hurt my feelings

I'm making it a 2v1 because of that

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Now I feel much better

 

[Arkansalter2]

Ugh..
Makes things a little harder for John but then again, dealing with multiple folks isn't anything new to John due to the party feature and survival gamemode. If anything, a timestop would wipe Arthur as well.
Still going with John, mid-high diff. Both have no way to keep up with John anyway.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Ugh..
Makes things a little harder for John but then again, dealing with multiple folks isn't anything new to John due to the party feature and survival gamemode.

Ur forgetting to actually consider the abilities on arthurs profile

If anything, a timestop would wipe Arthur as well.

Something something knight stuff, I resist time stop now something something

Still going with John, mid-high diff. Both have no way to keep up with John anyway.

Counted

 

[Arkansalter2]

Ur forgetting to actually consider the abilities on arthurs profile

It's a Shinra reskin. Wow. Not surprised.

Something something knight stuff, I resist time stop now something something

Something something he's gonna have to do it off the jump or he dies something something.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

It's a Shinra reskin. Wow. Not surprised.

You saw subjective reality and immediately thought...shinra reskin!

Almost like you didn't read the profile

Something something he's gonna have to do it off the jump or he dies something something.

He's dividing his attention between like two ppl

Shinras gonna be fighting EBG while time is frozen in the duration that Arthur's just stuck there so surviving the first attempt is doable somewhat

Considering his experience dealing with timestop, shinra would probably just tell arthur what's going on and then it's probably wraps from there (as far as time stop goes at least)

 

[Arkansalter2]

You saw subjective reality and immediately thought...shinra reskin!

That second key got NOTHIN to do with me.

He's dividing his attention between like two ppl

Not anything John hasn't dealt with before.

Shinras gonna be fighting EBG while time is frozen while Arthur's just stuck there so surviving the first attempt is doable somewhat

One spell kills Arthur.

Considering his experience dealing with tinestop, shinra would probably just tell arthur what's going on and then it's probably wraps from there

Won't mean much if arthur just... dies.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

To give EBG some credit though considering the AP advantage and the like 200+ spells at their disposal, losing time stop isn't that bad


I'm just emphasising how useless timestop is gonna be here for the sake of getting under ur skin

 

[Delusionaltx2]

That second key got NOTHIN to do with me.

F*** (Curses to vsb being absolute dog water on mobile)

Not anything John hasn't dealt with before.

Yeah except in this instance ur relying on EBG killing arthur on the first go

One spell kills Arthur.

U need an 8x ap difference to do that

One shot combos in it of themselves rely on chaining multiple spells together

Won't mean much if arthur just... dies.

Shinra low-key just saves his a**

 

[Arkansalter2]

Yeah except in this instance ur relying on EBG killing arthur on the first go

Neither have regen lmao. That should say a lot.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Neither have regen lmao. That should say a lot.

Ehh regen can be made up for with endurance and amps (both of which these two have)

As long as EBG goes for boom instead of piercing spells he should he fine on the first go

Also since Arthur's second key is technically varies what if I just cap him at 7-C...

 

[Arkansalter2]

Ehh regen can be made up for with endurance and amps (both of which these two have)

The AP difference here is like 4.6x. The 45 kiloton attack John EBG survives does a fifth of their health at base. The video shows it doing like 232, but the guy in the video probably has some stats put into damage. The wiki says it's 200.

Keep in mind that this is without factoring in that the EBG player gets a 50% health boost and a 25% damage reduction boost (meaning they passively get like 87.5% more durable) at maxed out health + defense. This attack would be doing closer to like 10% of their health each time. This is a 45 kiloton attack. They can shred people who can survive their Volcanic Eruption. The charged multi-shot water projetiles don't use much mana (your mana, in fact, recharges in the middle of the spell's chargeup and stuff.

Both are getting shredded.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

The AP difference here is like 4.6x. The 45 kiloton attack John EBG survives does a fifth of their health at base. The video shows it doing like 232, but the guy in the video probably has some stats put into damage. The wiki says it's 200.

Keep in mind that this is without factoring in that the EBG player gets a 50% health boost and a 25% damage reduction boost (meaning they passively get like 87.5% more durable) at maxed out health + defense. This attack would be doing closer to like 10% of their health each time. This is a 45 kiloton attack. They can shred people who can survive their Volcanic Eruption. The charged multi-shot water projetiles don't use much mana (your mana, in fact, recharges in the middle of the spell's chargeup and stuff.

Both are getting shredded.

Ima just wait for Fire force supporters to look at the thread (Mainly getting a bit tired)

 

[Delusionaltx2]

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[Delusionaltx2]

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[Delusionaltx2]

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[Thunderman101]

I mean do we have proof john would use these in character

 

[Delusionaltx2]

I mean do we have proof john would use these in character

Arkan was mainly mentioning types of spells rather than just one individual spell

so yeah he'd use something like this in character

 

[Thunderman101]

even so, there are dozens of spells in ebg, whats the proof john would convienielty pop up the exact combo needed to kill ebg. You cant scale a player based off a player base so comunnity good combos wont work

Arkan was mainly mentioning types of spells rather than just one individual spell

so yeah he'd use something like this in character

 

[Delusionaltx2]

even so, there are dozens of spells in ebg, whats the proof john would convienielty pop up the exact combo needed to kill ebg.

you mean shinra/arthur right?

While there are a ton of combos, all of these combos do still one-shot so it doesn't really matter too much if he picks combo A or combo B

You cant scale a player based off a player base so comunnity good combos wont work

You can and i'll prob make that CRT once I actually get the time

 

[Thunderman101]

You can and i'll prob make that CRT once I actually get the time

fair, that would also help slap alot so ill wait on that. but until its accepted we cant use

you mean shinra/arthur right?

While there are a ton of combos, all of these combos do still one-shot so it doesn't really matter too much if he picks combo A or combo B

Yeah, spelling error on my part. but the question is if combos like these are part of the story, even if the combos exist they were all made by the playerbase. Does the game directly encourage you to do combos cause otherwise i dont see why he wouldnt just spam random moves

 

[Delusionaltx2]

fair, that would also help slap alot so ill wait on that. but until its accepted we cant use

Yeah, spelling error on my part. but the question is if combos like these are part of the story,

EBG is a sandbox

it dosen't have a story

even if the combos exist they were all made by the playerbase. Does the game directly encourage you to do combos cause otherwise i dont see why he wouldnt just spam random moves

these combos are made so players have an easier time killing other players since the maingame encourages PVP and PVP in general is the best way to get gems and stuff so yeah they would pull out combos

 

[Thunderman101]

EBG is a sandbox

it dosen't have a story

these combos are made so players have an easier time killing other players since the maingame encourages PVP and PVP in general is the best way to get gems and stuff so yeah they would pull out combos

encouraging pvp and encouraging combos arent the same thing. And if theres nothing in the game pushing them to use combos then realisitically why would they in character

 

[Delusionaltx2]

encouraging pvp and encouraging combos arent the same thing.

Combos come as a result of PVP so in this case it would be

And if theres nothing in the game pushing them to use combos then realisitically why would they in character

There is stuff in the game pushing them to use combos and thats the fact that its the easiest and simplest way to kill other players

 

[Thunderman101]

Combos come as a result of PVP so in this case it would be

There is stuff in the game pushing them to use combos and thats the fact that its the easiest and simplest way to kill other players

yes that is true but not really how it works. Combos come as a result of pvp from the playerbase, not in the context of ebg itself. Im not asking about the person controlling ebg being pushed to use combos. Im asking what in the game context is pushing the CHARACTER EBG to use combos

 

[Delusionaltx2]

yes that is true but not really how it works. Combos come as a result of pvp from the playerbase, not in the context of ebg itself.

EBG itself runs almost entirely on PVP

anything that dictates PVP dictates EBG, you can't have one without the other here

Im not asking about the person controlling ebg being pushed to use combos. Im asking what in the game context is pushing the CHARACTER EBG to use combos

The fact that the game encourages you to kill other players and combos being the most efficient way they know how

 

[Thunderman101]

EBG itself runs almost entirely on PVP

anything that dictates PVP dictates EBG, you can't have one without the other here

The fact that the game encourages you to kill other players and combos being the most efficient way they know how

while that is true, ebg would not know what specific comos to use (i know there are dozens but still, there are plenty of combos that would just be random stuff). And the game only encourages you to kill players, it says nothing about combos,

 

[Delusionaltx2]

while that is true, ebg would not know what specific comos to use (i know there are dozens but still, there are plenty of combos that would just be random stuff).

It doesn't really matter since all of them typically one shot

And the game only encourages you to kill players, it says nothing about combos,

Again, the most optimal way they kill players is using combos...

 

[Thunderman101]

Again, the most optimal way they kill players is using combos...

yes, within the context of the playerbase. Not within the context of ebg (the game).

Thats like me arguing master cheif would use a specific weapon combo when thats only used by the playerbase

 

[Delusionaltx2]

yes, within the context of the playerbase. Not within the context of ebg (the game).

The game itself runs on the playerbase...

Thats like me arguing master cheif would use a specific weapon combo when thats only used by the playerbase

HALO has a main-game that dosen't rely on the playerbase therefore making this a false equivalance

 

[Thunderman101]

The game itself runs on the playerbase...

HALO has a main-game that dosen't rely on the playerbase therefore making this a false equivalance

you cant argue ebg would use specific combos other than just spamming whatever because the playerbase, a completley outide force, uses combos.

Every game runs on its playerbase

 

[Delusionaltx2]

you cant argue ebg would use specific combos

nobody is arguing specific combos though

literally ANY combo works since they all one shot...

other than just spamming whatever because the playerbase, a completley outide force, uses combos.

The character literally IS a part of the playerbase

did you think "Player (Elemental Battlegrounds)" was just for show

Every game runs on its playerbase

No not really, there are tons of different RPGs and single player games that don't rely on the playerbase for their maingame

 

[Thunderman101]

nobody is arguing specific combos though

literally ANY combo works since they all one shot...

The character literally IS a part of the playerbase

did you think "Player (Elemental Battlegrounds)" was just for show


No not really, there are tons of different RPGs and single player games that don't rely on the playerbase for their maingame

No, we call them player because theres no specific name for them and thats all we have. Youre trying to argue that an outside force would help the player in context when that just dosent hold up. Theres no real evidence hed use any combo really

 

[Delusionaltx2]

No, we call them player because theres no specific name for them and thats all we have.

And they are also controlled by US hence the player character

if they weren't controlled by US then we wouldn't call them the player character

Youre trying to argue that an outside force would help the player in context when that just dosent hold up.

What outside force????

Theres no real evidence hed use any combo really

At this point we're just ignoring evidence

 

[Thunderman101]

And they are also controlled by US hence the player character

if they weren't controlled by US then we wouldn't call them the player character

What outside force????

At this point we're just ignoring evidence

Every video game player is controlled by their player???????

The outside force is the player controller

theyre not called the player because we control them, theyre called the player because tis a placehold for those with no name

i am simply asking you provide proof tht the player would be pushed to use combos that is not influenced by the ooutside forces outside of ebg

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Every video game player is controlled by their player???????

making them also the player character of their respecive verse

The outside force is the player controller

where did I mention the players controller?

theyre not called the player because we control them, theyre called the player because tis a placehold for those with no name

and because we control them

if they had no name and we didn't control them then they wouldn't be called player anymore

i am simply asking you provide proof tht the player would be pushed to use combos that is not influenced by the ooutside forces outside of ebg

Because the game they are from pushes them to use it as the most optiomal method of gameplay

what outside force is being mentioned in this sentence???

 

[Thunderman101]

making them also the player character of their respecive verse

where did I mention the players controller?

and because we control them

if they had no name and we didn't control them then they wouldn't be called player anymore

Because the game they are from pushes them to use it as the most optiomal method of gameplay

what outside force is being mentioned in this sentence???

ok yeah were going in circles there

The player (character), is not the one being pushed. The player (Real life), is. Prove within ebgs context the payer is pushed to use combos nd not just pvp. Pvp is too broad