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Yes.Wait, are you the guy from csap's discord? Cuz there is a guy with the same pfp that you have
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Yes.Wait, are you the guy from csap's discord? Cuz there is a guy with the same pfp that you have
I'm Yakou/SimeonYes.
Where was it mentioned that analog was referring to time armor and not Akuro's existence or durability? time armor also came from Tenma Yato, a character with Taikyoku. Can you show scans for Ryuusui, Rindou and Varhram. Anyway, R>F was never used for Paradise Lost's dimensions, so it's pointless to argueNo? The instance you refer to is Akuro VS Soujirou, The Narrator says that the difference between Akuro's mugen kannazuki(the armor protecting him) and Soujirou is that of R>F(and it is proved later on to be more than that against Numahime and so on)
literally in the scan that came before the whole analogy was made.....Where was it mentioned that analog was referring to time armor and not Akuro's existence or durability?
the problem is that the gap is shown to be above higher dimensional more than once,I have read k3 and ik what I am talking abouttime armor also came from Tenma Yato, a character with Taikyoku.
it was used in the verse more than once and in different novels,this means that Masada wanted it to be portrayed consistently troughout his seriesCan you show scans for Ryuusui, Rindou and Varhram. Anyway, R>F was never used for Paradise Lost's dimensions, so it's pointless to argue
I have yet to see Low 1-C arguments nglAnyway, I said what I had to say, there is nothing left to say. I'll wait to see what DontTalkDT has to say. My final opinion is that best, most supported and most consistent tier for Shinza is Low 1-C. I will like Shinza to return to the wiki, but with it's true tier
Wait, are you the guy from csap's discord? Cuz there is a guy with the same pfp that you have
This makes sense why you were focused on deleting one of the verses I support. FYes.
Yato's Taikyoku is mentioned here, thanks for proving my point「効かんよ。穢土(われら)の太極(ことわり)を舐めるな」 "It doesn't work. Don't underestimate the taikyoku of Edo."
Because sensory / shade was only a 3D reflection of Mercurius, who is a Throne Master and Taikyoku user, so of course he would be called a being from another dimension, he was a weird reflection of a hyperdimensional being. This statement is also related to TaikyokuMercurius' shade being an illustration compared to its "other dimensional version" also it is not saying that he is a being from another dimension,just that he is projected down in Glads like higher d dudes do
It is because Madara was one of the 2D characters in Ryuusui's story who became a living, 3D being. This has nothing to do with scaling or the R>F analog used for tiering. It's like if I write a story and suddenly one of the 2D characters in it becomes 3D. I don't know what this has to do with R>F analog that I talked about or we used for scaling. Also Ryuusui was a Taikyoku user too'A flawless, wonderful leading man in a story that I have imagined. It's just like looking at a picture of a character on a flat surface, or fantasising about the fantasies lurking in your head' 'You're like a shut-in who's so passionate about a fictional character that he's turned his back on reality.'
What is the context behind this? Who is saying it?Yes, their way of being is floating. As if he were a resident of a fictional world, they lack the element that gives their actions a three-dimensional effect.
He pointed out the truth about the man Varhram. He was born with a talent of a different standard and an unorthodox viewpoint that is in tune with "Zero". As Ahura mazda described him, he was born at a different level of life. For Varhram, the world must have seemed no different from the stories he had read. It was as if he was reading a book. The smiles and tears in front of me are no different from those in print or illustrations. It would undeniably be a one-sided, superior, transcendent position. But think about it, the disconnected relationship is mutual. Just as the reader cannot relate to the characters in the story in any way, neither can "everyone" relate to Varhram. There is a mad loneliness. No matter how much you love "everyone" and wish to live with them, it will never happen. It is impossible to dream of the same temperature, and when you get right down to it, it is impossible to understand or be understood.
This seems to refer to the fact that the whole world of Ahura Mazda is a creation / story of Mitra and Vahram is aware of it, so he sees everything as a story / Destiny and predetermined events. In the text you sent, it is mentioned that Vahram is in tune with Zero or Mithra, the creator of the world, who is a Taikyoku user. or it means that there is a connection between Vahram and Taikyoku because in The text you sent said that Vahram is fighting Magsarion, a Taikyoku user. The third possibility is that everything is a metaphor about Varham's power, however, the context behind the text you sent is not clear. What is Varham's transcendental position?"He doesn't understand us, just as no one could understand him. Ione is a good example. To vahram, 'everyone' means..." Content He was a character in a story, after all. He sees the world as a kind of entertainment information. The smiles and tears in front of him were no different from print or illustrations from Vahram's point of view. Even if you are moved by them, they have no influence on your practical decisions. The hierarchy in which we live is different to begin with."
Because everything in the series points to it. There is an Infinite Multiverse and Throne transcends it. Throne is constantly referred to as a hyperdimension, separate from time and simultaneously existing in all past, present and future. Shinza's cosmology is constantly changing, but Throne remains constant, meaning that events in cosmology do not affect Throne, and Throne is higher dimensional. Also, R>F Analog was consistently used for Taikyoku and Throne. It is also clear that Taikyoku and Throne transcend concepts, laws and dualities, which is a good support for Low 1-C Throne. Really the best and most consistent tier for Shinza is Low 1-CI have yet to see Low 1-C arguments ngl
you are ignoring what I said,the point is that later it is proved to be more than just higher d differenceYato's Taikyoku is mentioned here, thanks for proving my point
first of all:you asked about R>F differences,also different verses uses "higher dimensional to say the difference despite being in outerversal and higher realms,look at the white hot room in marvelBecause sensory / shade was only a 3D reflection of Mercurius, who is a Throne Master and Taikyoku user, so of course he would be called a being from another dimension, he was a weird reflection of a hyperdimensional being. This statement is also related to Taikyoku
it literally says that Yakou is a fictional character to Ryuusui,reread the scans rather than taking in consideration only what you wantIt is because Madara was one of the 2D characters in Ryuusui's story who became a living, 3D being. This has nothing to do with scaling or the R>F analog used for tiering
she didn't use her taik at this point so stop trying to rat. It's like if I write a story and suddenly one of the 2D characters in it becomes 3D. I don't know what this has to do with R>F analog that I talked about or we used for scaling. Also Ryuusui was a Taikyoku user too
the narratorWhat is the context behind this? Who is saying it?
Mithra is not zero,tf you on? Also it directly mentions him viewing them as illustrations and he is disconnected which is used to refer to the fact that he views them as fiction as disconnection is used for R>F,read the scans before you talkThis seems to refer to the fact that the whole world of Ahura Mazda is a creation / story of Mitra and Vahram is aware of it, so he sees everything as a story / Destiny and predetermined events. In the text you sent, it is mentioned that Vahram is in tune with Zero or Mithra, the creator of the world, who is a Taikyoku user.
MAGSARION A TAIKYOKU USER? did you read avesta? Magsarion had meifu madou which is why he could not kill Mithra,he obtained taikyoku/big bang/atziluth later on during the fight with Mithra,at this point he had just Meifu Madouor it means that there is a connection between Vahram and Taikyoku because in The text you sent said that Vahram is fighting Magsarion, a Taikyoku user.
The context is that Varhram is connected to Zero and thus he views everyone as fiction minus Mithra and Magsarion,I have read the 16th chapter of avesta unlike you who claim that Mithra is zero or that mags have taikThe third possibility is that everything is a metaphor about Varham's power, however, the context behind the text you sent is not clear. What is Varham's transcendental position?
show the scans if you have them,since you talk but never read the series from what I seeBecause everything in the series points to it. There is an Infinite Multiverse and Throne transcends it.
this is false,Cho Jigen(超次元) can mean hyperdimensional,superdimensional and something that transcend dimensions,why it should refer to hyperdimensional?KekThrone is constantly referred to as a hyperdimension
show it,also the singularity is explicitly outside concepts such as past,present,future and time and so is the throneseparate from time and simultaneously existing in all past, present and future.
and yk why? Show the scans for this if you have themShinza's cosmology is constantly changing
WHAT? lmaooooo,had you read history of pantheon and Paralost,you would have known that there were at least 3 thrones before merc came:1 where Nerose is the throne God,one where Muzan is still the 2nd heaven and one where Mortaria took it,I can keep going,there are also different thrones troughout eras thx to the depth changing,it is even directly stated that Hajun's singularity is above Marie's thronebut Throne remains constant, meaning that events in cosmology do not affect Throne
show itand Throne is higher dimensional.
R>F can refer to stuffs higher than dimensions,for example,if a guy is high outer,can't another dude have an outer transcendence above him?Also, R>F Analog was consistently used for Taikyoku and Throne.
dualities as I showed includes high hyper stuffsIt is also clear that Taikyoku and Throne transcend concepts, laws and dualities, which is a good support for Low 1-C Throne.
all of this is based off misconceptionsReally the best and most consistent tier for Shinza is Low 1-C
IN CREATION? dude,you have no idea what the singularity is,also it is a realm that have several layers as I showed,you didn't address anything of the message I sent yesterday and just kept misunderstanding shinza lolAlso, the Throne is beyond the Singularity, which is a void in creation. I think this also supports Low 1-C Throne
Dude can you stop lying against me, or actually read what I say?In the previous posts of this thread, it was said that the only thing that prevented a person from entering those dimensions was sin, and that is why Satanel made the angels innocent, so they could enter those dimensions. I think even Pein agreed.
Suffering from successPain, how did you manage to get 6 pages of discussion.
dude what you sent was absolute garbage to say the least, and yes I have read PL previously, been a while but I can still remember so please stop throwing the accusations around. I will like for you to point out what I said about PL that is wrong.I already sent him Japanese script of PL, rn i'm too lazy to open my hard drive. He should be the one to check it though.
But afaic, he doesn't know Japanese or know how to search the correct keyword. I can imagine how this thread gonna end up when the OP clearly have no clue about what the frick he is doing.
Yes when you used Higher D power to fight, you can face Higher D maybe if you actually played the game, you would know thatI'm not really pessimistic, I just find Shinza's future terrifying. I don't even want Shinza to stay removed, just because in my opinion 13D Shinza is also flawed and will cause problems in the future, so Low 1-C Shinza is better.
Anyway, in this video, it seems that the characters can neutralize the energy of angels, which is supposed to belong to higher spatial dimensions, with Sin, which is the energy of Hell (Hell is below physical universe), and also so called lower dimensional beings are fighting that so called higher dimensional angel, without instantly dying too.
Read the damn blog, I already said that like so many many times, if you actually took time to read the blog or my messages.
the true tier you cannot support?Anyway, I said what I had to say, there is nothing left to say. I'll wait to see what DontTalkDT has to say. My final opinion is that best, most supported and most consistent tier for Shinza is Low 1-C. I will like Shinza to return to the wiki, but with it's true tier
the real question is why goku isn't soloingWhat are now discussing currently? Can the verse come back or not?
The verse can come back but the ones who left the verse as it is cause they try to discuss something they have absolutely no idea about are back too. So here I am fummingWhat are now discussing currently? Can the verse come back or not?
Go for it. This thread has basically gone nowhere even after Ultima and DT gave their input, and from the looks of things it just derailed into shitposts, different supporters' interpetations of the verse's cosmology, and random off-topic stuff.Should I call thread moderators?
that will be helpful honestlySo, it is a derailment right now? Should I call thread moderators?
supporters' interpretation of the cosmology and misguided fans saying things they do not knowGo for it. This thread has basically gone nowhere even after Ultima and DT gave their input, and from the looks of things it just derailed into shitposts, different supporters' interpetations of the verse's cosmology, and random off-topic stuff.
Nobody is interested, please refrain from digressing from the thread's main topic. It's puzzling to see six pages dedicated solely to the request to bring the verse back, especially since the thread is not intended for character discussions or tiering.supporters' interpretation of the cosmology and misguided fans saying things they do not know
the matter of bringing the verse back is done, most agree with it, the new thing is the tier they come back with.Nobody is interested, please refrain from digressing from the thread's main topic. It's puzzling to see six pages dedicated solely to the request to bring the verse back, especially since the thread is not intended for character discussions or tiering.
You have not been updating the vote tally for the past 6 pages, despite it being your responsibility to do so on a regular basis. As a result, the thread has become a negative and toxic environment due to the constant calls to call out “supporters” on their BS.That said this is just a thread to undo the ban of the verse on the wiki, the actual threads for the pages and all comes later part by part, but for now let us get this
You did not prove that Shinza is outerversal. Transcending concepts of space-time is not in 1-A in vsbattles. You also have to prove that infinite dimensions exist in verse, or no matter how many new spatial dimensions you add to the verse, the characters are still fully or conceptually beyond them. So far, no one has proven it, it has not even been proven that the 13 dimensions in Paradise Lost are actually spatial dimensions. You can think you proved it, but it doesn't matter because none of the mods accepted it. So this has not been proven. vsbattles is very strict for 1-A tiering and you need much more evidencefirst of all:you asked about R>F differences,also different verses uses "higher dimensional to say the difference despite being in outerversal and higher realms,look at the white hot room in marvel
The context was that Yakou was a 2D character in Ryuusui's stories that later became 3D. I went and read its context. This was something that Yakou didn't know and he found out laterit literally says that Yakou is a fictional character to Ryuusui,reread the scans rather than taking in consideration only what you want
Send the script before the scan, because it is very vaguethe narrator
Zero is also used to refer to Throne and Naraka rangers, of which Mitra was one of them. Zero is also used for Original Naraka, which is beyond Takyoku users. You didn't say what Zero meant there, so I took the most reasonable guess. The creation was an emanation of Mitra, so it was logical to think that Varham, as a creation of Mitra, was connected to herMithra is not zero,tf you on? Also it directly mentions him viewing them as illustrations and he is disconnected which is used to refer to the fact that he views them as fiction as disconnection is used for R>F,read the scans before you talk
I read summaries of it by people who knew Japanese, he was a Taikyoku user, but he was not Hadou or Gadou, but something new called Madou. In his fight with Khvarenah, it was also mentioned that he and Khvarenah had reached the level of Taikyoku / Big Bang, and Taikyoku's painting was mentioned. In this same thread, it was mentioned that the reason for Khvarenah's failure was that Magsarion had already reached the Big Bang level and was absorbing cravings, in end of fight he absorbed Khvarenah into his Taikyoku's Madou nature too. It was also said in the fight that Magsarion didn't look at Khvarenah's constructs, because he could get painted by them. His constructs also painted Ferederica's maids. Painting is an aspect of TaikyokuMAGSARION A TAIKYOKU USER? did you read avesta? Magsarion had meifu madou which is why he could not kill Mithra,he obtained taikyoku/big bang/atziluth later on during the fight with Mithra,at this point he had just Meifu Madou
Zero or original Naraka, surpasses even Taikyoku users. You said yourself that you don't know Japanese, so the credibility of what you say is low. I haven't read the Avesta light novel, but I've read Avesta summaries by people who know Japanese, and they all say that Magsarion reached the Big Bang while fighting Khvarenah (which was probably an incomplete Big Bang, but still a Big Bang regardless)The context is that Varhram is connected to Zero and thus he views everyone as fiction minus Mithra and Magsarion,I have read the 16th chapter of avesta unlike you who claim that Mithra is zero or that mags have taik
Nobody ever proved that it transcends dimensions, so hyperdimension is very likely correct onethis is false,Cho Jigen(超次元) can mean hyperdimensional,superdimensional and something that transcend dimensions,why it should refer to hyperdimensional?Kek
Mitra's cosmology was based on Zoroastrian mythology. Muzan's cosmology was based on the Sepirot and the Divine Comedy. Hajun's cosmology was some buddhism / samurai shit and Amaterasu's cosmology was a combination of all. If you disagree, prove that 13 dimensions in Muzan's cosmology also exist in Mercurius's cosmology or Hajun's cosmologyand yk why? Show the scans for this if you have them
They were one Throne that was taken over and changed by different people. If there were multiple Thrones then Naraka rangers or original Naraka were not in the Throne anymore. Hajun's singularity was more powerful than Marie's Throne, because he changed and amplified Throne and singularity, beyond Throne in Marie timeWHAT? lmaooooo,had you read history of pantheon and Paralost,you would have known that there were at least 3 thrones before merc came:1 where Nerose is the throne God,one where Muzan is still the 2nd heaven and one where Mortaria took it,I can keep going,there are also different thrones troughout eras thx to the depth changing,it is even directly stated that Hajun's singularity is above Marie's throne
Infinite Multiverse. Throne transcending everythingshow the scans if you have them,since you talk but never read the series from what I see
I quoted your messageDude can you stop lying against me, or actually read what I say?
Hell was located below the physical universe, and yet it could affect dimensions higher than the universe, which shows that none of those dimensions were spatial. Because the dimensions that went down could also affect the dimensions that went up (Two different directions). Also, the fact that innocence allowed a person to enter those dimensions and sin could neutralize their energies shows that they are not spatially infinitely higher dimensions, but spiritual dimensions. Prove that those dimensions were spatial and each dimension was infinitely higher than the other, because the fact that something is called a higher dimension and its beings are stronger than the beings of a lower dimension does not mean that higher dimension in question is spatial and infinitely higher. You can be one spiritual dimension higher than others and destroy the inhabitants of lower spiritual dimensions with a glance because you are far stronger. You also never played Paradise Lost eitherYes when you used Higher D power to fight, you can face Higher D maybe if you actually played the game, you would know that
I read it, can you stop slandering anyone who disagrees with you? All those who disagree with you read your blogRead the damn blog, I already said that like so many many times, if you actually took time to read the blog or my messages.
Stop crying. In fact, I request the to close this thread because you keep lying, changing your words, insulting others and claiming that they don't know anything about Shinza, saying that they didn't read your blog. Your blog is clearly rushed, messy and bad, none of your claims are new and all of them were debunked in Yuri's threads, you are not even a knowlegeable member, you don't know Japanese, and you are using second-hand information. Also, you keep using the fallacies, I never said that infinite dimensions are necessary. From what I already knew of you, you were the worst person for restoring Shinzathe true tier you cannot support?
if you want to argue against my argument at least do it and do it right by making argument instead of saying things you have absolutely no idea about, or you think only spatial dimensions can get you a 1-B creation? or you think only infinite hierarchy can get you 1-A.
Not only do you not understand the verse itself as you have only played DI and ikabey, you also missed reading the tiering system.
These is my problem with previous Shinza fans on this wiki, you guys like to act like elitist but you know jack shit about what you are talking about.
Talking about how I am wrong but somehow for **** all, none of you since page 1 has been able to point out something that I said that is wrong.
Henceforth, I think if anyone of you derail again, I will start requesting you guys get banned from this thread.
I am okay with you guys disagreeing, I do not mind, but bring arguments and stop saying ***** like "Op has not read this and that" "OP said something wrong" And when you geniuses are asked to bring out that wrong thing, you are no where to be found
Sorry for the rant, my tolerance for BS is spent
I request the mods to address your behavior, you keep insulting others and claiming that anyone who disagrees with you doesn't know anything about Shinza or the tiering system or hasn't read your rushed, messy and incomplete blogThe verse can come back but the ones who left the verse as it is cause they try to discuss something they have absolutely no idea about are back too. So here I am fumming
you didn't address my argumentsYou did not prove that Shinza is outerversal.
I didTranscending concepts of space-time is not in 1-A in vsbattles. You also have to prove that infinite dimensions exist in verse, or no matter how many new spatial dimensions you add to the verse, the characters are still fully or conceptually beyond them.
beside the fact that I answered after the mods went off kek,you didn't address any of the 1A arg I sentSo far, no one has proven it, it has not even been proven that the 13 dimensions in Paradise Lost are actually spatial dimensions. You can think you proved it, but it doesn't matter because none of the mods accepted it. So this has not been proven. vsbattles is very strict for 1-A tiering and you need much more evidence
show thisThe context was that Yakou was a 2D character in Ryuusui's stories that later became 3D. I went and read its context. This was something that Yakou didn't know and he found out later
I mean,the script is literally this,Rindou was looking at how selfish those in the tournament wereSend the script before the scan, because it is very vague
No? Prove it first of all,2nd:in the same chapter,Mithra called zero something different from her,like,read avesta dude,That's why the observers are not of any God's domainZero is also used to refer to Throne and Naraka rangers, of which Mitra was one of them.
I can debate on Hajun>Naraka using only what Masada said in a few interviewsZero is also used for Original Naraka, which is beyond Takyoku users.
Mithra is never referred to as zero,heck,zero is explicitly beyond herYou didn't say what Zero meant there, so I took the most reasonable guess.
Varhram comes from Zero aka from before Mithra was a throne goddessThe creation was an emanation of Mitra, so it was logical to think that Varham, as a creation of Mitra, was connected to her
and he had not taikyoku,I know what you talk about but it was not taikyoku,this is why Shinga was unkilled till he unleashed his taikyoku(paradise lost)I read summaries of it by people who knew Japanese, he was a Taikyoku user, but he was not Hadou or Gadou, but something new called Madou.
first of all:it was incomplete,Khvarenah's Big bang had been compromised by the divine sword before he came to life and that's also why he didn't beat Mithra lolIn his fight with Khvarenah, it was also mentioned that he and Khvarenah had reached the level of Taikyoku / Big Bang, and Taikyoku's painting was mentioned.
Ok so you ignored directly what happened,Khvarenah was incomplete,I can take the chapter rn and show you that even his taik name was incomplete because of thisIn this same thread, it was mentioned that the reason for Khvarenah's failure was that Magsarion had already reached the Big Bang level and was absorbing cravings, in end of fight he absorbed Khvarenah into his Taikyoku's Madou nature too.
show it and also 2nd of all:incomplete taikyoku so irrelevantIt was also said in the fight that Magsarion didn't look at Khvarenah's constructs, because he could get painted by them. His constructs also painted Ferederica's maids. Painting is an aspect of Taikyoku
No? The statement refers to Hadou Gods and even then,Nerose made his era unaffected by NarakaZero or original Naraka, surpasses even Taikyoku users.
first of all:I read avesta and whenever there are mistranslations,there is directly a friend who knows jap and went there several times and corrects me so honestly this way of discrediting me is baselessYou said yourself that you don't know Japanese, so the credibility of what you say is low.
Khvarenah's big bang was incomplete,reading the summaries is not reading the chapters themselves unlike me who have avesta physically here,2nd:those who supposedly know jap should be?I haven't read the Avesta light novel, but I've read Avesta summaries by people who know Japanese, and they all say that Magsarion reached the Big Bang while fighting Khvarenah (which was probably an incomplete Big Bang, but still a Big Bang regardless)
I did,also no,you are just assumingNobody ever proved that it transcends dimensions, so hyperdimension is very likely correct one
I alr proved that there are infinite dimensions in Mithra's universe,Muzan's is even bigger and let alone Hajun'sMitra's cosmology was based on Zoroastrian mythology. Muzan's cosmology was based on the Sepirot and the Divine Comedy. Hajun's cosmology was some buddhism / samurai shit and Amaterasu's cosmology was a combination of all. If you disagree, prove that 13 dimensions in Muzan's cosmology also exist in Mercurius's cosmology or Hajun's cosmology
no? Nerose directly said that his throne is parallel to Muzan's,even if you read the final battle of Paralost you would know that kekThey were one Throne that was taken over and changed by different people.
this is false lolIf there were multiple Thrones then Naraka rangers or original Naraka were not in the Throne anymore.
so you are just agreeing with me lolHajun's singularity was more powerful than Marie's Throne, because he changed and amplified Throne and singularity, beyond Throne in Marie time
ok so you have some scans but not for everything as I have yet to see singularity being into creation
You did not prove that Shinza is outerversal. Transcending concepts of space-time is not in 1-A in vsbattles. You also have to prove that infinite dimensions exist in verse, or no matter how many new spatial dimensions you add to the verse, the characters are still fully or conceptually beyond them. So far, no one has proven it, it has not even been proven that the 13 dimensions in Paradise Lost are actually spatial dimensions. You can think you proved it, but it doesn't matter because none of the mods accepted it. So this has not been proven. vsbattles is very strict for 1-A tiering and you need much more evidence
The context was that Yakou was a 2D character in Ryuusui's stories that later became 3D. I went and read its context. This was something that Yakou didn't know and he found out later
Send the script before the scan, because it is very vague
Zero is also used to refer to Throne and Naraka rangers, of which Mitra was one of them. Zero is also used for Original Naraka, which is beyond Takyoku users. You didn't say what Zero meant there, so I took the most reasonable guess. The creation was an emanation of Mitra, so it was logical to think that Varham, as a creation of Mitra, was connected to her
I read summaries of it by people who knew Japanese, he was a Taikyoku user, but he was not Hadou or Gadou, but something new called Madou. In his fight with Khvarenah, it was also mentioned that he and Khvarenah had reached the level of Taikyoku / Big Bang, and Taikyoku's painting was mentioned. In this same thread, it was mentioned that the reason for Khvarenah's failure was that Magsarion had already reached the Big Bang level and was absorbing cravings, in end of fight he absorbed Khvarenah into his Taikyoku's Madou nature too. It was also said in the fight that Magsarion didn't look at Khvarenah's constructs, because he could get painted by them. His constructs also painted Ferederica's maids. Painting is an aspect of Taikyoku
Zero or original Naraka, surpasses even Taikyoku users. You said yourself that you don't know Japanese, so the credibility of what you say is low. I haven't read the Avesta light novel, but I've read Avesta summaries by people who know Japanese, and they all say that Magsarion reached the Big Bang while fighting Khvarenah (which was probably an incomplete Big Bang, but still a Big Bang regardless)
Nobody ever proved that it transcends dimensions, so hyperdimension is very likely correct one
Mitra's cosmology was based on Zoroastrian mythology. Muzan's cosmology was based on the Sepirot and the Divine Comedy. Hajun's cosmology was some buddhism / samurai shit and Amaterasu's cosmology was a combination of all. If you disagree, prove that 13 dimensions in Muzan's cosmology also exist in Mercurius's cosmology or Hajun's cosmology
They were one Throne that was taken over and changed by different people. If there were multiple Thrones then Naraka rangers or original Naraka were not in the Throne anymore. Hajun's singularity was more powerful than Marie's Throne, because he changed and amplified Throne and singularity, beyond Throne in Marie time
Infinite Multiverse. Throne transcending everything
you didn't address my arguments
I did
beside the fact that I answered after the mods went off kek,you didn't address any of the 1A arg I sent
show this
I mean,the script is literally this,Rindou was looking at how selfish those in the tournament were
No? Prove it first of all,2nd:in the same chapter,Mithra called zero something different from her,like,read avesta dude,That's why the observers are not of any God's domain
I can debate on Hajun>Naraka using only what Masada said in a few interviews
Mithra is never referred to as zero,heck,zero is explicitly beyond her
Varhram comes from Zero aka from before Mithra was a throne goddess
and he had not taikyoku,I know what you talk about but it was not taikyoku,this is why Shinga was unkilled till he unleashed his taikyoku(paradise lost)
first of all:it was incomplete,Khvarenah's Big bang had been compromised by the divine sword before he came to life and that's also why he didn't beat Mithra lol
Ok so you ignored directly what happened,Khvarenah was incomplete,I can take the chapter rn and show you that even his taik name was incomplete because of this
show it and also 2nd of all:incomplete taikyoku so irrelevant
No? The statement refers to Hadou Gods and even then,Nerose made his era unaffected by Naraka
first of all:I read avesta and whenever there are mistranslations,there is directly a friend who knows jap and went there several times and corrects me so honestly this way of discrediting me is baseless
Khvarenah's big bang was incomplete,reading the summaries is not reading the chapters themselves unlike me who have avesta physically here,2nd:those who supposedly know jap should be?
I did,also no,you are just assuming
I alr proved that there are infinite dimensions in Mithra's universe,Muzan's is even bigger and let alone Hajun's
no? Nerose directly said that his throne is parallel to Muzan's,even if you read the final battle of Paralost you would know that kek
this is false lol
so you are just agreeing with me lol
ok so you have some scans but not for everything as I have yet to see singularity being into creation
what is the point in updating the vote tally when the arguments are still on, if you mean votes on people who agree for it to be back that will not be necessary, as that is agreed upon already, what is left is either they come back as what was proposed on the blog or we go back and make an actual CRT, so we are waiting on DT for that@PrinceofPein
While I am not completely blind to the thread's premise, its accomplishment can be summarized as follows:
You have not been updating the vote tally for the past 6 pages, despite it being your responsibility to do so on a regular basis. As a result, the thread has become a negative and toxic environment due to the constant calls to call out “supporters” on their BS.
and why exactly will the thread be moved to RvR? like ???There are currently two options available before this thread is moved to RvR and closed.
If you also read the thread instead of doing your holier than thou stuffs, you will know that the original purpose is concluded already, the verse is okay to be back, what we have left is that what tier, which we need DT for
- The first option is for you to update the vote tally and focus on the thread's original purpose, which was to discuss the return of a particular verse and create a new CRT for tiering, character, and cosmology discussion. Additionally, you can present your blogs as you had previously stated that you had been working on them for months.
Evidence for what offense?
- Alternatively, if you continue to focus solely on calling out supporters and contributing to a negative atmosphere, the thread will be reported and used as evidence against you.
and what did I say in that mesasage? "satanael created being who have no sins in hope of reaching keter but he still could not" which part of this equate to you saying I said that "beings with no sin can reach keter"?I quoted your message
Dude stop acting like this and tag where I said this dimensions are spatial, I said otherwise infact, so please stop this shit, here is literally what I saidHell was located below the physical universe, and yet it could affect dimensions higher than the universe, which shows that none of those dimensions were spatial. Because the dimensions that went down could also affect the dimensions that went up (Two different directions). Also, the fact that innocence allowed a person to enter those dimensions and sin could neutralize their energies shows that they are not spatially infinitely higher dimensions, but spiritual dimensions. Prove that those dimensions were spatial and each dimension was infinitely higher than the other, because the fact that something is called a higher dimension and its beings are stronger than the beings of a lower dimension does not mean that higher dimension in question is spatial and infinitely higher. You can be one spiritual dimension higher than others and destroy the inhabitants of lower spiritual dimensions with a glance because you are far stronger. You also never played Paradise Lost either
Maybe if you paid attention, also yes I have read PL completely, head to toe and watched **** tons of whatever I can findAlso these dimensions are not spatial Dimensions but spiritual dimensions, so there can be no argument of the throne being referred to as having spatial properties.
If you did, why did you say I was referring to those dimensions as spatial dimensions in the blog? like help me understand thatI read it, can you stop slandering anyone who disagrees with you? All those who disagree with you read your blog
Why because I am trying to fix a verse you helped mess up so bad, you are getting angry over it?Stop crying. In fact, I request the to close this thread because you keep lying, changing your words, insulting others and claiming that they don't know anything about Shinza, saying that they didn't read your blog. Your blog is clearly rushed, messy and bad, none of your claims are new and all of them were debunked in Yuri's threads, you are not even a knowlegeable member, you don't know Japanese, and you are using second-hand information. Also, you keep using the fallacies, I never said that infinite dimensions are necessary. From what I already knew of you, you were the worst person for restoring Shinza
SureI will move it to RvR, with this behavior, you won't gain anything in this thread.