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TBH it's why I've entirely stopped engaging with Fate, it's literally out of my hands with the crap going on with it by this point-- and I don't feel like going through a billion series I don't care about to understand it all.
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Shirou Emiya (Fate/Stay Night) vs Mega Man (Classic) [0-0-0]
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its not even a fate thing,like that's not even how speed equal matches work.
Shirou only has subsonic combat speed in base(his reaction speed is irrelevant)with amps to ftl combat speed.in speed equal combat speed gets equalised to lowest speed meaning both are subsonic at the beginning and shirou Amps himself to ftl speed.
How hard is this to understand?
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I know how that works Violet, I'm the one who brought it to public attention.
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If the speed truly can't be matched it should just be close, however one last thing Shirou is already amped before the beginning of the fight since UBW is already active wouldn't Mega Man be brought down to shirou's amped speed ?
Also still in denial about the time stop ? In shirou's profile its litteraly stated:
"Limited Resistance to Magic, including [...], Time Stop, [...] (All magi and characters with Magic Circuits have resistance to magical effects that aim to control and create effects within others, by rejecting the effect with magical energy).
Also when searching for 40 minutes i found this thread. Where it's stated:
" Magic Resistance makes servants resistant to magecraft and that includes magecraft belonging to the emiya family which is able to slow down and speed up time."
Which contradict your claim that they don't get TIme Stop resistance from magic.
Funny thing it that in that same thread, it address your imaginary space argument but apply it to servants only never mentionning the magus. If you want to apply it to magus do a CRT but for now it's not valid.
Plus you haven't addressed the BFR at all.
The broken phantasm aren't stated anywhere close to a true name release, even by checking Archer's profile, yes Caladbog II and Hrunting are Low-B but because he release their true name in combination of being a broken phantasm. A broken phantasm simply increase the rank of the attack by one.
Also yes Gawain upscales from 962 gigatons, but Shirou downscales from Gawain.
Gawain (B+ STR)> Archer (D STR)> Shirou
Also let's accept that Shirou can keep up UBW for an infinite amount of time. Mega Man can still beat him with a lot of means like burning him with atomic fire or electrocute him.
Also still in denial about the time stop ? In shirou's profile its litteraly stated:
"Limited Resistance to Magic, including [...], Time Stop, [...] (All magi and characters with Magic Circuits have resistance to magical effects that aim to control and create effects within others, by rejecting the effect with magical energy).
Also when searching for 40 minutes i found this thread. Where it's stated:
" Magic Resistance makes servants resistant to magecraft and that includes magecraft belonging to the emiya family which is able to slow down and speed up time."
Which contradict your claim that they don't get TIme Stop resistance from magic.
Funny thing it that in that same thread, it address your imaginary space argument but apply it to servants only never mentionning the magus. If you want to apply it to magus do a CRT but for now it's not valid.
Plus you haven't addressed the BFR at all.
The broken phantasm aren't stated anywhere close to a true name release, even by checking Archer's profile, yes Caladbog II and Hrunting are Low-B but because he release their true name in combination of being a broken phantasm. A broken phantasm simply increase the rank of the attack by one.
Also yes Gawain upscales from 962 gigatons, but Shirou downscales from Gawain.
Gawain (B+ STR)> Archer (D STR)> Shirou
Also let's accept that Shirou can keep up UBW for an infinite amount of time. Mega Man can still beat him with a lot of means like burning him with atomic fire or electrocute him.
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What does Shirou’s resistance to BFR come from? Rock’s BFR works via reversing the target’s gravity and launching them into space. Unless Shirou has resistance to Gravity Manipulation (which I don’t see), then Rock’s BFR should work.
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Huh, that's pretty weird. Shirou should resist Gravity Manipulation for the same reason as most of his other resistances, but it's not listed.
Anyway, if I remember correctly (which I probably don't), Shirou's BFR resistance is dimensional BFR, I think.
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Shirou's profile makes it very clear he only resists time stop via rejecting magic around him, and Mega Man's time stop is magic based. Shirou's resistance is useless here
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You mean isn't, right?
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yeah, that's what I meant
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As weird as it sounds, "magecraft" and resistances to it usually are just treated as the general supernatural, not just magic, at least that's how we treat it here if I remember correctly, which would mean that Shirou resists Rock's time stop.
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Sorry, I should've clarified that I meant any supernatural effect.
Even advanced technology is considered supernatural in the Nasuverse.
If any of the other Nasuverse supporters think I'm off-base, feel free to correct me.
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In the Fate series, technology isn't typically considered "supernatural" in the traditional sense. The Fate universe tends to focus more on magic, mythical beings, and legendary heroes rather than advanced technology. However, there are instances where technology and magic intersect, such as with certain characters utilizing advanced weaponry or gadgets alongside their magical abilities. So, while technology isn't inherently supernatural in the Fate verse, it can certainly play a significant role alongside more traditional elements.
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Well, the first example that came to my mind were the Machine Gods.
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That is extremely beyond what Megaman can do, like, they are led by a God
A LITERAL, GOD
And they were created by a civilization beyond the universe, probably from the universe before ours
Megaman is not close to that level of "uniqueness"
Because in no world Megaman is a "conceptual god" nor megaman is born from defied phenomena
Megaman is a normal machine compared to that
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Well, the main reason I brought it up was to show that advanced technology can and is treated as equivalent to supernatural phenomenon (their "Authorities" are functions distributed through their nanomachines, yet that seems to be equivalent to the Authorities of other Gods). It was an extreme example, but it was the first one I thought of.
I guess Spiritron Hacking and Code Casts in the Fate/Extra games would've been a better example.
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Uses soul particles, Megaman has no soul, if we were using X, I could buy it
Spiritrons is using the soul so I guess is the same but I don't remember this
If Fate technology is reliant of using souls as energy, then Megaman should not be counted as similar in any regard, is a "normal" machine compared to Fate machines, is using "regular energy"
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Does Rock not have a soul? I thought all Robot Masters did, or is that just the Reploids?
And Codecasts don't necessarily use the soul. They are "programs" created by the hacker to perform the equivalent of spells.
You don't remember what?
No, technology does not rely on souls, only certain ones do.
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What I have learned from this is that I am terrible at making analogies and/or giving examples.
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I don't remember what is spiritron hacking exactly but I remember what is a spiritron so...
And the ones that are not reliant on souls are considered super natural when they are just normal technology? Because codecast is basically magecraft but instead of using mana/mystery is using spiritrons and is a new technology in Fate extra
Only reploids
Or today is not your day
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Oh, fair enough.
Well, the spaceships from the Servantverse are.
Well, it is considered "technology", which is why I brought it up.
Ok.
Probably.
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Aside from that debacle, I just remembered that they are fighting in Unlimited Blade Works. Shirou could Trace and Project Rock's own weapons to use against him.
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Isn't x "soul" made of data, instead of you know...Soul
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At least It would be similar for SBA, is not 100% but a machine with a soul is more likely to be considered "supernatural" than a normal machine, but that is irrelevant right now and only an example of why Classic is in no way supernatural, or then a ******* washing machine is also supernatural if a robot powered by solar energy is considered supernatural
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Well, that might not be a win-condition since the fight is within Unlimited Blade Works (Shirou's Reality Marble), so outer space doesn't exist and Shirou can still fight while being thrown into the air.
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Well, souls in the Nasuverse are made of the soul, information, and concepts (and the maybe the mind and memories) while also being higher dimensional.
Not that it matters since Rock doesn't have one, I guess. (Though, I guess in Nasuverse terms, he's similar to puppets or automatons with personalities placed in them. That's not relevant, it was just a neat observation I just thought up).
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That depends. All of his abilities and resistances are smurf. Some of his Projections like Caladbolg II and Gae Blog are Conceptual weapons, which don't require souls to attack with their concepts.
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imagining this scenario is actually so goofy
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Yeah, it's absolutely hilarious! It's like something out of Looney Tunes.
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Does the sky inside of a Reality Marble have an upper limit? Cause if not then Rock's gravity hold can probably still work even if they're inside Shirou's Reality Marble.
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Well, there are some implications that Unlimited Blade Works is infinite in size, but I don't remember if that's accepted on the wiki.
Regardless, I'm not sure if that would still work as a win-condition even if Unlimited Blade Works is limited in size since Reality Marbles are their own pocket dimensions. Shirou can still fight from anywhere within it since he creates and controls all of the weapons in it telekinetically.
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