Shouldnt Madness Manipulation type 3 work on Acausality type 5?

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

I'm wondering because acausality of this type still fundamentally has to experience a type of change relative to themselves, while this type of madness manip is purely the opponents mind working against themselves (self-interaction is not an anti-feat) by viewing certain things. This is like how this type of madness manipulation is able to work on 1-As without it being an interaction anti-feat.

 

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[Hecky2222]

Assuming Ac5 is just meta causality without Tier Change(Cuz 1-A in other hand is Meta Causality to everything below) I don't see reason why it shouldn't. Unless we assume Ac5 = True Immutablity to point you can't act(which I am not fan of it unless you are H1A+/T0). If we strictly apply it not even Ac5 should interact with Ac5.

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[Comiphorous]

I'm wondering because acausality of this type still fundamentally has to experience a type of change relative to themselves, while this type of madness manip is purely the opponents mind working against themselves (self-interaction is not an anti-feat) by viewing certain things. This is like how this type of madness manipulation is able to work on 1-As without it being an interaction anti-feat.

A lot of variables for Madness Type 3 to work in this situation.

Madness Type 3 works on the pretense that the person being affected cannot comprehend what they are looking at. Someone who can comprehend the incomprehensible being can simply ignore the ability. Someone who has aca 5 still needs to process information they look at, and would probably still have the interaction since madness type 3's effects are based off the cognitive functions and information processing of the person looking at them and nothing else.

Issue is that a good chunk of aca 5s are in those high tier 1 ranges to tier 0, meaning the tier 0s by default are immune to it and the tier 1s are usually more complex than the character with madness manipulation, and would be able to perceive them without issue, unless the character with the madness manipulation has feats of being complex enough to drive characters in those ranges mad.

I don't know any aca type 5s who are outside of those tier 1 ranges, but i suppose in theory they could be affected assuming they have no feats of comprehending very complex incomprehensible beings.

Tl;dr - it highly depends on the level of madness manipulation we're talking about, since madness type 3 is super dependent on the interaction between the victim's mind, who in this situation more than likely would also be incomprehensible in the first place.