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Hoo boi, I come back from vacation and see all this happen. Well then. After reading through the comments things seem to favour Shulk as he has a wincon while Nessy-boi does not. So for right now I'll go with Shulk FRA.
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Shulk vs Ness REDUX of a REDUX
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Ayup, totally.
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Funny how things turn out though. Went from a win for Ness to what looks like a win for Shulk.
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I know right? How odd...
Just out of nowhere, the FRA's came in swooping down.
Who would have thought...
Just out of nowhere, the FRA's came in swooping down.
Who would have thought...
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Anyways i'mma go head to bed. See how this'll turn out in the morning.
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Truly fascinating, this shall be marked in the history book.Stalker Maggot said:
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Goodbye now.JoshSSJGod said:
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Reading the arguments, I'll go with...wowie, Shulk because I agree with what was said above by the previous users in an argument for him!
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I'm ashamed of the fact that this thread went right under my nose. It really depends on if it's logical for Shulk to use reality warping on Ness, if not it'll be another inconclusive.
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Ness also has win-cons too right?
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Welp, they are now officially even. I'm voting Shulk via reality warping.
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Ok, I'm gonna come clean..
I had a really "questionable" behavior yesterday; with it varying from sarcasm, frustration, and sometimes just losing hope. Which lead me to blindly vote for Shulk because my head "wasn't in the right place".
What I'm saying is..,
Frank went complete monkey mode and did dumb stuff. My deepest apologies for the inconvenience, I'll try to keep it in. So I will retract my vote for Shulk and vote for Inconclusive since literally the only argument here is just "Meh Reality warping" when Ness has fought up against beings such as Giygas. This isn't really new to him.
I had a really "questionable" behavior yesterday; with it varying from sarcasm, frustration, and sometimes just losing hope. Which lead me to blindly vote for Shulk because my head "wasn't in the right place".
What I'm saying is..,
Frank went complete monkey mode and did dumb stuff. My deepest apologies for the inconvenience, I'll try to keep it in. So I will retract my vote for Shulk and vote for Inconclusive since literally the only argument here is just "Meh Reality warping" when Ness has fought up against beings such as Giygas. This isn't really new to him.
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Man, I regret and messed up a lot of stuff yesterday....
Yikes.
Yikes.
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I'm pretty sure the reasoning was Precog and Reality Warping tho
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Yes, I'm aware of that.
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Well, it's definitely good to see that you're feeling better now, I understand your situation, it happens to me a lot.
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Thanks lol
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Hope you're feeling better! Anyways, the reasoning extends beyond just reality warping, yes Ness has fought beings like Giygas, however he couldn't beat Giygas without truth's help. He doesn't have the help of fate manip in this fight due to Shulk's acausality, other then turning his death into a bad dream, in which the monado visions and then proceeds to just have him incap Ness instead.TheQuirkyBoy said:
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So I'm assuming that if Giygas has tryed to use reality warping on Ness, he should have resistance to it. So in that case, this might just turn into another inconclusive. Shulk doesn't have any other ways of affecting Ness.
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Yes, I know that, but this would in turn give him some sort of resistance given how Ness was unaffected/tanked a lot of attacks from Giygas. Precognition is cool and all, but how is he going to incap him? Most of his attacks are a dud and has no affect on Ness due to his nature.
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Giygas' only "Reality warping" was his mind hax and void manip, neither of which Shulk is using.
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Incapping Ness? He can only incap with Purge and even then, Monado arts sorta work through spatial manipulation so reality warping seems to be his only choice here.
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Not really actually. He is capable of using RW even in his Giegue form.
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Purge can't affect Ness because he is a living universe, and Ness also resist that.Thatsafloridathing said:
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The only thing he resisted from giygas was his mind hax and void manip. That's not equivalent to Shulk's. He wasn't unaffected by a lot of giygas' attacks either he barely survived a majority of them. Reality Warping allows Shulk to rewrite the universe in his image, there is several different incaps he can do from that alone.TheQuirkyBoy said:
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Via mind hax. Not via warping reality in his own image.TheQuirkyBoy said:
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I feel like I'm missing something here. Shulk used his reality warping to erase Zanza's existence and reset the universe, not incap
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Mind hax and Void hax don't really count as RW, they are their own abilities. Wasn't their a statement in EBB that said he could warp the planet or something? That's probably a good example.
And if it's done through Spatial Manipulation, then Ness can resist that just fine.
And if it's done through Spatial Manipulation, then Ness can resist that just fine.
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He rewrote reality in his own image erasing the idea of gods. Why are we suddenly assuming he can't do something that would take less effort like re-writing it into incapping Ness?Thatsafloridathing said:
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Existence Erasure? Ness is also able to resist being within Giygas's present, who can erase the universe with his void hax. Existence erasure is sub category of Void Manipulation. He can resist just fine.Bware1 said:
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