I agree with both removals suggested in the OP to Dimentio's profile, just having a relation to the great magician isn't enough to say he knows the specialized soul magic their race studied to make a Pixl. Their tiering probably needs updating too; their profiles indicate that they created/built worlds with the Pixls when that English line is erased from the Japanese version too and instead omitted.
Bump
I would also like to note that
1. Nastasia might be an Ancient, or at least partial, as Carson explains in “
Of bats and men”, and Dimentio can knock her out with an attack meant to kill a weakened Bleck (Also in the jp version of Carson’s Dimentio story, it’s said that his magic is second only to Count Bleck, so higher than Nastasia who is possibly an Ancient)
2. The
Pixls Mario uses are actually weaker than what they used to be, and 12 Ancients (with 12 Pixls alongside them) fought against the Pixl Queen and hordes of Pixl soldiers, stronger than Mario’s current Pixls
1.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fYCjPvhx-VJM8t-OKw8JtzAdsVgC_YWTy37k3tN3pBw/edit?tab=t.0
The Jp version erases that line about transforming into the same species directly it seems, rather it being alluded she took at least a humanoid form (obviously), which is evident if the story is completely true?
"Of Bats and Men:
English:
So how about we change the pace and I tell you a nice story for a change? This is one I heard in a distant land long ago... 'Once upon a time, a man went to look for the girl he loved, who was missing. As he passed through a forest, he found a bat stuck in a trap. He set the bat free. It promptly thanked him and disappeared. As he lay down to camp that night, he heard a voice and looked about. He noticed the sky was filled with a huge, round moon. There stood before him a woman he had never seen. The bat had
transformed into the species of the one she had fallen for.' Now, I don't know if that's true or not... The last part of the story was... 'The bat pledged eternal loyalty to the man out of love on that night.' ...And that's the end of the story. I wonder what happened to those two? If there's more to that story, then I'd like to hear it.
Japanese:
How would you like to hear a different kind of story for a change? The story I'm about to tell you is one I heard in a faraway land long, long ago... "Long ago, a man went on a journey searching for the woman he loved. While on this journey, he happened upon a bat caught in a trap while traveling through a forest. After helping it, the bat thanked the man and promptly disappeared. As the man slept under the stars that night, he awoke to a voice calling out to him. The round, full moon had risen in the sky. With his back to it, the man faced a woman he had never seen before.
They say that if a bat that's lived long enough falls in love with a human, it can become human itself. Whether that's true or not is unknown... But whatever the case may be, the woman pledged loyalty to the man under the full moon." …And that's the end of the story. I wonder what happened to those two afterwards? If there is more to the story, I would love to know.
"
2. Yeah, big no on this, the lore seems to think that the original pixls actually are the ones Mario collects, when talking to some of the Pixls they indicate helping in the war even, which tbf not all of them are entirely combat oriented like Piccolo for example removes curses, but they aren't indicated as like 2-A tier threats on their own for guys like Thudley and Cudge and instead base Mario tier; indicating the Ancients are inferior to Mario's tiering if they require such tools, when being compared as physically weak to the Pixls.
Also found in the same google doc for translation, the line there stays the same, and is even more direct:
"
Creation of the Pixls:
English:
So do you know how the Pixls came to be? A powerful magician among the Ancients created them about 3,000 years ago. He did it by transferring a spirit into a vessel he created for that purpose. He's said to have created 12 Pixls like this before he passed away. But his apprentices kept researching Pixls after his game ended... They learned to create many more Pixls based on his original 12. These Pixls became widely used as 'thinking tools' for the grateful Ancients. Through the work of many Pixls, the Ancients prospered as they never had before. But that was a long time ago...
There are no more Pixls now, I understand... Well, except for some of the original Pixls, who were scattered far and wide... They lie in wait for a new master to arrive. I wouldn't be surprised if there was one hiding here in this very town…
Japanese:
Do you know how the Pixls were born? I heard that the Pixls were created by one of the Ancients, a Great Magician, 3000 years ago. By transferring a special spirit into a vessel, a Pixl would be born. It is said that the Great Magician created 12 Pixls before he died. Even after the Great Magician's death, his pupils continued to study the Pixls... And developed techniques to create many more Pixls based on the original 12. From then on, the propagated Pixls were used as intelligent tools. The Ancients had seen unprecedented harmony and prosperity due to the work of the abundant Pixls. But this story is a very old one...
None of the Pixls I spoke of are around any longer. However, it's believed that the Pixls created by the Great Magician still lay dormant somewhere… Awaiting a new master to appear before them. Perhaps one of them lies dormant within this very town…"
