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I thought low 4-C was approved? I only applied it to Ikaros, Melan Ikaros, Chaos, and Astraea. The others do not scale.
Pandora Astraea's photon flight speed caught up to the deployment of Aegis L which above you stated looks okay. Ikaros scales because it is stated she is superior to Astraea in flight speed. Chaos scales because she was able to fight Pandora Astraea. Nymph is iffy and can be downgraded.
The Synapse core is already rated correctly it resetted a timeline which is Low 2-C. The Transport Cards destroyed and resetted a manga chapter to restore the plot. I was trying to apply these to angeloids profiles since they are weapons in their arsenal but it's fine.
The reason Qawsedf234 does like the 4-C rating is that he thinks Synapse is in the same dimensional space as Earth.
Lord Minos called Synapse a universe and attacked Chaos with Zeus when he thought she was trying to bare her fangs against Synapse. Telling her she can't return Chaos in fact was just trying to go home Synapse. This is why Chaos stayed on Earth to stay with Tomoki because she wasn't allowed back to Synapse since she learned how to abuse her pandora system.
He also thinks they share the same star. They don't this is Ikaros being released and falling through the portal to Earth universes. The portal is made by manipulating the poles or whatever on Earth. As you can see it's midnight on Earth compared to Synapse.
The synapse dimension has a star in it
Astraea indeed caught up to the deployment of the shield
Why would low 5-B still make sense for their strongest?
1. They scale massively above humans in base. Their battle forms are far superior to base modes and Pandora is far superior to their battle forms. You have Chaos who absorbs hundreds of melans. You have Ikaros that oneshotted hundreds of melans at once. Even without counting Synapse Chaos was still commanded to destroy Earth?
Also, there is a clear cut difference between a percent and a multiplier in SnO
This is a percent
VS
This is a multiplier
The author has made it clear there is a difference and this is the same issue. If he wanted a percent he would have done it.
Another Example
These are percents
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Multipliers notice how her functioning capabilities were 99% in base mode with her powers sealed but she went up a whole 100 to active her Uranus queen mode. It is clear there is a difference. The author showed there is a difference.
It wasn't approved by everyone.I thought low 4-C was approved? I only applied it to Ikaros, Melan Ikaros, Chaos, and Astraea. The others do not scale.
I only approved it, no one else.Pandora Astraea's photon flight speed caught up to the deployment of Aegis L which above you stated looks okay. Ikaros scales because it is stated she is superior to Astraea in flight speed. Chaos scales because she was able to fight Pandora Astraea. Nymph is iffy and can be downgraded.
For the last time, those Transport Cards need there own thread, if you won't do it then don't bring it up. Also the Synapse core being Low 2-C for resetting the timeline is clearly something that doesn't scale to the characters statistics, so not sure why your bringing it up.The Synapse core is already rated correctly it resetted a timeline which is Low 2-C. The Transport Cards destroyed and resetted a manga chapter to restore the plot. I was trying to apply these to angeloids profiles since they are weapons in their arsenal but it's fine.
The reason Qawsedf234 does like the 4-C rating is that he thinks Synapse is in the same dimensional space as Earth.
Lord Minos called Synapse a universe and attacked Chaos with Zeus when he thought she was trying to bare her fangs against Synapse. Telling her she can't return Chaos in fact was just trying to go home Synapse. This is why Chaos stayed on Earth to stay with Tomoki because she wasn't allowed back to Synapse since she learned how to abuse her pandora system.
He also thinks they share the same star. They don't this is Ikaros being released and falling through the portal to Earth universes. The portal is made by manipulating the poles or whatever on Earth. As you can see it's midnight on Earth compared to Synapse.
I guess this should be fine for evidence.The synapse dimension has a star in it
You need to prove the shields are automatic because It looks like she smashed through the shield in the second scan which means the other characters activated it before she reach them, which in turn means she isn't faster than the shield.Astraea indeed caught up to the deployment of the shield
For the last time, being far superior to someone doesn't mean you buff up to the next tier. Her being able to one shot hundreds of melans in no proves she's scaling tiers above. Finally, being commanded to destroy the Earth doesn't make you 5-B by default because a Moon level/5-C character Could still "destroy the Earth".Why would low 5-B still make sense for their strongest?
1. They scale massively above humans in base. Their battle forms are far superior to base modes and Pandora is far superior to their battle forms. You have Chaos who absorbs hundreds of melans. You have Ikaros that oneshotted hundreds of melans at once. Even without counting Synapse Chaos was still commanded to destroy Earth?
Absolutely not a difference.Also, there is a clear cut difference between a percent and a multiplier in SnO
This is a percent
VS
This is a multiplier
The author has made it clear there is a difference and this is the same issue. If he wanted a percent he would have done it.
Another Example
These are percents
VS
Multipliers notice how her functioning capabilities were 99% in base mode with her powers sealed but she went up a whole 100 to active her Uranus queen mode. It is clear there is a difference. The author showed there is a difference.
"Thought capabilities 100% Normal" "Flight capabilities recovering ... 80.. 90..."They exist in the same shared setting. Literally, Judas characters appear in the manga and anime several times.
It's not a crossover. They literally are a part of the manga. That's like saying Iron man appeared multiple times in an X-men issue. It's a cross over and he can't scale from feats despite it being shown they literally exist on the same planet.
The thing is Angeloids are stated to be massively above >>>>>>>> humans. Literally the two mangas mentioned take place on the same planet. Regardless of what happened, angeloids are above them. As the angeloids creators are the same people who literally created reality itself and the humans too.
What? I've been posting scans of the multipliers? I have literally been posting the links to everything I made a potential tier suggestion.
Her stomping hundreds of her 2.0 version of her Uranus Queen Mode is very much important. Why? She stomped each with just one Artemis at once. hundreds at once Artemis isn't even her strongest weapon.
I mean I provided feats for some of the Apostles in the threads. I wouldn't mind profiles for some of the humans. It really would help out with the scaling and show how expanded the verse is.
From her mode to Uranus mode goes up to 100x the power after Nymph undid her seals.
Well it seems Synapse contains a star so if the character was going to destroy the dimension in it's entirety then I can agree with 4-C, but I'll wait for Qawsed.
I didn't stated they scale to The Rule??? It was brought up above and I stated it's already scaled correctlyIt wasn't approved by everyone.
I only approved it, no one else.
For the last time, those Transport Cards need there own thread, if you won't do it then don't bring it up. Also the Synapse core being Low 2-C for resetting the timeline is clearly something that doesn't scale to the characters statistics, so not sure why your bringing it up.
Is the movie you linked canon?
I guess this should be fine for evidence.
You need to prove the shields are automatic because It looks like she smashed through the shield in the second scan which means the other characters activated it before she reach them, which in turn means she isn't faster than the shield.
For the last time, being far superior to someone doesn't mean you buff up to the next tier. Her being able to one shot hundreds of melans in no proves she's scaling tiers above. Finally, being commanded to destroy the Earth doesn't make you 5-B by default because a Moon level/5-C character Could still "destroy the Earth".
Absolutely not a difference.
In another scan you posted it literally shows percentage being used without adding the %
"Thought capabilities 100% Normal" "Flight capabilities recovering ... 80.. 90..."
This proves that when they are using percentages, they don't always put the % sign next to the number. So I repeat, nothing you've posted proves it's a 500 times multiplier especially since they are using percentages for the character.
Well it seems Synapse contains a star so if the character was going to destroy the dimension in it's entirety then I can agree with 4-C, but I'll wait for Qawsed.
Low 2-C Synapse core doesn't seem like something that scales to characters given what the feat is (resetting the timeline), I still disagree with the supposed 500 times multiplier and nothing brought up has changed my mind as I explained above.
Finally, unless those shields are automatic and come up in response to attacks on there own, no one would scale for being able to strike the character unless they did it before the shield came up. Plus in the second scan it looks like she smashed the shield which means it activated before she reached her so she wouldn't scale.
Which wasn't needed but ok.I didn't stated they scale to The Rule??? It was brought up above and I stated it's already scaled correctly
She clearly struck the shield in the scan you posted. She needs to beat the shield to scale to it's speed.1. Ikaros shield deployments are in the femtoseconds range. Astraea shield is superior. Chaos used Astraea's shield against her and she caught up to the deployment. I never said Astraea was than the shield itself. I stated she CAUGHT to the deployment of the shield. Which still should make her as fast.
You just trying to claim something that isn't true and I wish you stop. My evidence proves there is no multiplier, and if you actually paid attention you can see it. I'll post it again...2. Not really the author has made a cut clear difference if he wanted to use percent he would. Base Ikaros functioning capabilities 99% and then Uranus Queen Activating goes up another 100 itself there are no percents. He does the same thing with pandora mode output. Yet when increasing her speed he used percent. He made a cut clear difference. You also just proved the point with your example. The author put 100% for thought capabilities yet when the other system goes out there are not percents. These are exactly the same panel.
As I said, I'm ok with it but Qawsed should be the one to reply to this.3. Yes it is. The portal to Synapse is made by the pole of Earth. Meaning they can close it and open it anything. Qawsed thinks it's a shared space because Tomoki's dreamscape is connected to Synapse. You have two ways to get to Synapse the portal (but Zeus is there waiting to blast you) or Tomoki dreamscape which connects Synapse to his dream through the Dive game.
That's not how it works. We don't upscale characters simply because they are far stronger than someone else unless they are at the upper boarder, which the humans aren't especially when there method doesn't destroy the planet completely hence why the are Low 5-B and not straight up 5-B.4. Humans in their verse can destroy the planet.. There's a massive huge difference between Base Ikaros alone and humans. As you can see Base Ikaros power level is 99% as she is massively above humans. So yeah they should be above Low 5-B
High 4-C I believe. I know a character who has that justification and we have a calc for it if I'm not mistaken. I'll find it.Thank you for helping out, LordGriffin. I think that destroying a pocket dimension with planets orbiting a star is usually rated as High 4-C or 4-B.
But it mentioned towards me which is why I responded???? I'm not sure if you're getting an attitude or not because I haven't done anything?Which wasn't needed but ok.
She clearly struck the shield in the scan you posted. She needs to beat the shield to scale to it's speed.
You just trying to claim something that isn't true and I wish you stop. My evidence proves there is no multiplier, and if you actually paid attention you can see it. I'll post it again...
"Thought capabilities 100% Normal" "Flight capabilities recovering ... 80.. 90..."
This proves that when they are using percentages, they don't always put the % sign next to the number. So I repeat, nothing you've posted proves it's a 500 times multiplier especially since they are using percentages for the character.
Unless you outright somehow think her flight capabilities are being multiplier by 80 times, then 90 times which makes absolutely no sense since it clearly states flight capabilities "recovering" so the author not putting a percentage sign next to the number in no way means it's suddenly become a multiplier. So stop claiming some non existent multiplier.
Unless it's directly stated to be a multiplier by the author or characters in verse, it will not be treated as such. At this point your just using headcannon and I'm not going to repeat this argument because it isn't getting us nowhere.
As I said, I'm ok with it but Qawsed should be the one to reply to this.
That's not how it works. We don't upscale characters simply because they are far stronger than someone else unless they are at the upper boarder, which the humans aren't especially when there method doesn't destroy the planet completely hence why the are Low 5-B and not straight up 5-B.
High 4-C I believe. I know a character who has that justification and we have a calc for it if I'm not mistaken. I'll find it.
Edit: Creating a dimension with a planet and star is High 4-C.
Creating a pocket dimension containing a star
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I don't think it's a star, or at least a notable one for multiple reasons. The bubble they're in is not large enough to fit an object and it's not an example of a pocket dimension because you can directly see the floating islands from the outside in some of the scans.Well it seems Synapse contains a star so if the character was going to destroy the dimension in it's entirety then I can agree with 4-C, but I'll wait for Qawsed.
Actually no it's not a bubble? The video above debunks this when Ikaros fell to Earth it showed it's nothing put a portal.I don't think it's a star, or at least a notable one for multiple reasons. The bubble they're in is not large enough to fit an object and it's not an example of a pocket dimension because you can directly see the floating islands from the outside in some of the scans.
But the other reason I'm not really for sure is because the shadows in some of the scans are completely uniform with the outside, implying they're lit by the same source.
Overall it's either not a pocket dimension star but the Sun, or the star is legitimately far to small to get a Tier 4 rating.
The actual manga shows the stuff within the sphere from an outside perspective and you can see its relatively the same size, along with the lighting source issue I mentioned.The video above debunks this when Ikaros fell to Earth it showed it's nothing put a portal.
If the bubble is limited to it's Earth-relative size, then the star cannot be far enough away to justify a IRL star size. There wouldn't be enough distance to accommodate such an object.Also did you calc the size of the star?
What was posted what does it look like on the other side of the portal? There is no bubble. This is been debunked by canon showings above in the anime video.The actual manga shows the stuff within the sphere from an outside perspective and you can see its relatively the same size, along with the lighting source issue I mentioned.
If the bubble is limited to it's Earth-relative size, then the star cannot be far enough away to justify a IRL star size. There wouldn't be enough distance to accommodate such an object.
So I don't need to calc anything, I just need to show that the sphere isn't that large. Which it isn't going by what I've seen.
You can see the shadow outlines of the floating island through the sphere.What was posted what does it look like on the other side of the portal?
You missed my arugment. I never argued that the sphere was ever small, its easily the size of a moon. Its just not large enough to justify the star being the size of an actual star since the entire thing occupies real space and its not larger on the inside compared to the outside.Are you trying to tell me Synapse is only as big as Zeus since it's the same size as the portal?
The sphere is the area they occupy. Its quite literally a sphere with a barrier around it.After that Ikaros gets passed the portal. Well, I don't see a sphere anywhere in the third scan at all????
I don't need to calc anything. The calc mentioned before is a generic calc for a dimension that holds a single star in it, I'm saying the scene does not qualify for that generic calc since its not large enough to hold an actual star.Again you didn't calculate the star size going off speculations
My internet is a bit screwy at the moment but I can see Qawsed's point regarding the size of Synapse. You can see the barrier around it doesn't look big enough to hold an actual sized star. Plus you can actually see the shadows of the islands from outside the barrier.@LordGriffin1000 @Qawsedf234
It is probably best if we try to wrap up this discussion by the two of you reaching an agreement regarding what we statistics that we should apply here.
The Low 5-B stuff is fine.t if we try to wrap up this discussion by the two of you reaching an agreement regarding what we statistics that we should apply here.
I'm not going back and forth with this.You can see the shadow outlines of the floating island through the sphere.
You missed my arugment. I never argued that the sphere was ever small, its easily the size of a moon. Its just not large enough to justify the star being the size of an actual star since the entire thing occupies real space and its not larger on the inside compared to the outside.
The sphere is the area they occupy. Its quite literally a sphere with a barrier around it.
In fact the scans show what I'm saying. The dust cloud that's following her doesn't change size and keeps its relative size when it passes through the sphere.
I don't need to calc anything. The calc mentioned before is a generic calc for a dimension that holds a single star in it, I'm saying the scene does not qualify for that generic calc since its not large enough to hold an actual star.
Okay I agree with the Likely High 4-CMy internet is a bit screwy at the moment but I can see Qawsed's point regarding the size of Synapse. You can see the barrier around it doesn't look big enough to hold an actual sized star. Plus you can actually see the shadows of the islands from outside the barrier.
As for that statement regarding Synapse being referred to as a universe. He doesn't call Synapse a universe, he says she has no place to return to in the entire universe. This doesn't mean Synapse is universal in size, it just means to his knowledge, she has no where to go in the verse.
However in the amine it looks like a pitch black portal. One could argue it's a dimensional barrier and once you pass through it you enter Synapse but the way it's illustrated in the manga at some points it doesn't look that big. At best, I believe we can do the At least Small Planet level, likely High 4-C but I completely disagree with Synapse being universal in size based off that statement.
No, it wouldn't be destroyed even if it was a portal. It being made of Earth's energy.I'm not going back and forth with this.
It's portal
1. It's made by Earth axis energies. Earth was destroyed in the end so wouldn't Synapse be too? You're using headcanon now
Don't bring up this whole "challenging the creator" nonsense, no on is actively trying to challenge the author. The author is not infallible and in other scans it looks different. It doesn't matter anyway since there still going to have a "possible High 4-C".2. The portals from the canon disagree with you. Ikaros literally fell through the portal to get to Earth. No bubble At this point you're challenging the creator and you're not the creator.
Here are literally canon scans from the manga and anime proving it's a portal. I'll use the scene when Ikaros fell through to portal to get to earth.
It's not is sphere surrounding Synapse it's nothing but a bubble. You're trying to base it off Ikaros taking Tomoki to Synapse when the Author made the portal crystal clear so we can see what's on the other side of the portal.
I debunked that weak universe sized Synapse claim so I'm not going over it again.3. That dust cloud following her is literally coming from Ikaros speed. As you can see she still has it when she's about to drop Tomoki off on this island. So more headcanon.
4. Synapse is a whole universe itself as stated by Lord Minos. So you need to calculate the star before saying it's not large enough.
Firstly, they'll be possible High 4-C.Okay I agree with the Likely High 4-C
But they should be a high than 5-B though because of multipliers. At least Large Planet level
Ikaros power-ups are exponential, not linear. Her base mode is 99% she goes up a whole 100% for Uranus Queen Mode. Now we know 100% = 1 and Ikaros from base to Uranus power didn't multiple by 1.
Actually, she did have a home to go to. I posted the scans above with Tomoki.
She kept saying I'm home let me in and Minos told her there isn't a home for her in Synapse.
1. She killed Siren and activated Pandora Mode. Minos thought she was a threat and tried to eliminate her when she just wanted to return home.
2. He's talking about Synapse when he made his statement.
First, this little attitude you have isn't cutting because I have not came at you sideways at all. Yeah, I put some of this text in a tone reader so I don't think I'm bugging and it's coming off rude as I thought for some parts. I have not said one thing out the way with you.No, it wouldn't be destroyed even if it was a portal. It being made of Earth's energy.
Don't bring up this whole "challenging the creator" nonsense, no on is actively trying to challenge the author. The author is not infallible and in other scans it looks different. It doesn't matter anyway since there still going to have a "possible High 4-C".
I debunked that weak universe sized Synapse claim so I'm not going over it again.
When I get off of work I'm going to revise the profiles so continuing this tired debate isn't worth it. Also, to claim Snynape is universal in size it to argue the characters are universe level since they can supposedly destroy it... yet you were arguing Tier 4 before but now tier 2?
Firstly, they'll be possible High 4-C.
Secondly, she isn't going to be 5-B, stop pushing for that. I already explains how the multiplier works and no, her base did not go from 99% to 100%. You can clearly see her her capabilities needing to rise from points below 99%. Heck even if it was like that there wouldn't even be a multiplier using your logic because as you claim, they aren't liner.... This means they wouldn't be capable of producing a multiplier. So please stop changing the rules because I'm starting to think you yourself don't know what you want. Either it is liner and a multiplier or it's an exponential boost and no multiplier.
Also no, he says there is no home for here in the entire universe meaning to his knowledge she has no place to go in general. There is no evidence he called Synape the entire universe unless you can prove he had no knowledge of Earth in general which I doubt.
@LordGriffin1000 @Qawsedf234Thank you very much for having the patience to help out here, Griffin. I am fine with if your conclusions from this thread are applied to the relevant affected pages.
99% to 100% is a 1.01x increase.Unless you're trying to tell me her power only multiplied by 1 this gotta be a huge boost which is the point I've been trying to make
Just lock the thread and let Griffin handle the High 4-C. Angel can make their Low 2-C thread later / work on how they want their multipliers to work.@LordGriffin1000 @Qawsedf234