Solo leveling arise canon?

[PHANtomFELdway]

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Hello everyone, hope ya'll are doing good,I am back with another thread. This one should not take very long hopefully since it’s very short



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will be arguing something a little differently.i will be trying to get the game accepted as canon to the cosmology instead of the main series events

recently solo leveling has expanded on lore about the cosmology. It now deals with parallel universes.

the game has also introduced new characters known as the itarim of observation/the overseer.who overlook all possible timelines. With these timelines being part of the multiverse


• the manhwa is confirmed to be a different parallel world compared to the light novels


• the game also includes different worldlines


•hunter origins also shows parallel worlds, such as a world where cha awakens ice based magic.


Due to the new standards I doubt anything here is sufficient to prove canonicty outright but it at least proves that the author,the ip holder, and the group that works on the manhwa are all involved in the game.so it should at least deserve a look.


If this is accepted then things about the cosmology will be usable. As well as a few backstories anof characters and explanations about abilities/wepons.everything else pretty much remains the same.




I also have a question in case this gets rejected.

The game includes a story mode that retells and expands on events from the original series in game format. At minimum, this establishes that the original series is canon to the game. There is even an upcoming story covering what happened during the final fight between Antares and Jinwoo.

Given that, if a game profile were created, would it be acceptable to use scans from the original series as supporting material? The game itself contains those same scenes, but accessing them requires extensive grinding (around 20 hours of gameplay).

Alternatively, would it be necessary to wait until the game officially reaches and adapts that part of the story?

This would essentially be the same approach I am currently trying to take, where the cosmology is treated as shared and combined between the original series and the game.

Would that be allowed?




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[I'm_here_to_teach]

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[PHANtomFELdway]

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Why already

 

[Weaver261]

If this is accepted then things about the cosmology will be usable

Do we know anything about the library which contains Igris' world?

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

Do we know anything about the library which contains Igris' world?

Just that it holds all the knowledge of the universe and that each book is a timeline the overseer is the author of

 

[I'm_here_to_teach]

Why already

Cause

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

@ActuallySpaceMan42, @Dalesean027, @FinePoint , I was asked to tag some mods.

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

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[KingOfDarknessBelow]

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[PHANtomFELdway]

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[AyOgUyS]

I do not believe the evidence presented in the OP is enough to suggest a shared canon

 

[Dooyo]

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[Dooyo]

Like we know the Hunter Origin stories are canon as its written by Chugong no? Like the Igris one for example.

 

[Dooyo]

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[KingOfDarknessBelow]

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[Re5yh]

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[PHANtomFELdway]

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[Dooyo]

Why no one is responding?

 

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[1smrizvi]

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[KingOfDarknessBelow]

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[Impartial_Euler]

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[FreezerMonkey]

If you ask me, this is certainly enough to prove at least a link between the two

 

[Dooyo]

Why no mods are coming?

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

Imma have to @ them again

 

[Dooyo]

Imma have to @ them again

Yes, do it please.

 

[KingOfDarknessBelow]

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[LordGriffin1000]

Going off our acceptable canon page, this wouldn't really qualify as it mentions that even author approval, minor supervision, and trying to make a fateful adaptation isn't enough. To me, yes, going off that Q&A, it's clear they're trying to make a fateful adaptation and working close with the creators but that's literally what they're suppose to do, it's still suppose to be Solo Leveling at the end of the day so obviously it should be similar. The alternative timelines/worlds existing but I don't see a mention that this is suppose to be one of those alternative worlds and canon to series. Yes, profiles could be made, it would be a Solo Leveling verse but I wouldn't say it's information can be used as general

Basically, what I see from the information in the OP is "We created a Solo Leveling game that is close to the original story and worked closely with the creators to make this adaptation as fateful as possible, incorporating elements from the original story.". However, what I don't see is a statement like "This story is one of the alternative timelines/worlds from the canon Solo Leveling story, that's been mentioned in the original story.". You also mentioned the game expanded on stuff from the organization story but that can actually work against the canon claim cause it's adding its own stuff and unless it's alluded to in canon. Honestly, this just looks like "Solo Leveling The Game" not a "Alternative World in the Multiverse", at least to me.

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

Going off our acceptable canon page, this wouldn't really qualify as it mentions that even author approval, minor supervision, and trying to make a fateful adaptation isn't enough.

This isn’t really minor supervision. It’s everyone that was ever involved in the story is helping out with the game.meaning that everyone that was involved in creating the manhwa,anime,lightnovel etc are helping to create the game. The rightholders of solo leveling have it listed as “part of the solo leveling universe”,the game needs explicit permission from the author to have things added.

I could be wrong but I took author approval in those rules to mean stuff like “sure you can make a show/game/manhwa etc” instead of the author themselves actually directly being involved and making sure that everything written is correct.imo the fact that they are being so careful to not harm the original series, shows that they don’t want contradictions between them

To me, yes, going off that Q&A, it's clear they're trying to make a fateful adaptation and working close with the creators but that's literally what they're suppose to do, it's still suppose to be Solo Leveling at the end of the day so obviously it should be similar.

it isn’t just similar,it’s literally the original series in game format with the addition of new stories and backstories created with the help of the author,right holders,and everyone ever involved in solo leveling.

The alternative timelines/worlds existing but I don't see a mention that this is suppose to be one of those alternative worlds and canon to series. Yes, profiles could be made, it would be a Solo Leveling verse but I wouldn't say it's information can be used as general

Basically, what I see from the information in the OP is "We created a Solo Leveling game that is close to the original story and worked closely with the creators to make this adaptation as fateful as possible, incorporating elements from the original story.". However, what I don't see is a statement like "This story is one of the alternative timelines/worlds from the canon Solo Leveling story, that's been mentioned in the original story.". You also mentioned the game expanded on stuff from the organization story but that can actually work against the canon claim cause it's adding its own stuff and unless it's alluded to in canon. Honestly, this just looks like "Solo Leveling The Game" not a "Alternative World in the Multiverse", at least to me.

It’s more accurately, “we created a game with the help of everyone involved in Solo Leveling that expands on elements the original series couldn’t fully explore, such as the backstories of side characters, deeper explanations of abilities, and different character perspectives on events from the original story. It is also explicitly stated to be part of the Solo Levelinguniverse/multiverse.”


“It has been created under the supervision of the original author to provide diverse stories and fun WITHIN the Solo Leveling universe”

This thread is to establish that when it refers to being part of the solo leveling universe, it is referring to timelines that exist. As shown with the manhwa , lightnovel And game all being different timelines within the universe



I think there is a misunderstanding on how the game works. It’s literally a recreation of the original series in game format. So whatever is in the original series is also in the game. Just in 3D. Such as the Beru fight. This means the game is canon to the events of the original series,but it also adds context and explanations the original series doesn’t have.

If this thread gets rejected, then I would have to make a game profile. The thing is… since the game is literally the original series + more, then I’d assume I could use scans from either. It will be a weird case where I’d just copy and paste everything from the profiles into a new one…just to add more justification and context. It’s basically a complete profile and an incomplete one. When it would just be easier to have one complete profile.(which I am trying right now) accepted or rejected nothing changes besides the amount of work needed

 

[Bobsican]

Yeah, as noted here, mere author involvement or approval does not suffice to determine canonicity for adaptations, and claiming that it's some alternate timeline in the multiverse doesn't really work as more direct canonicity statements (namely over merely alluding to other timelines, especially as they can just be their own one-sided canon counterparts just for the game) would be required for that sort of claim.

That said, this calls my attention:

The director saying "in addition to faithfully implementing the original IP, we are also exploring stories that exist outside the original narrative" implies that this is meant to be the new primary canon altogether, so from there an argument to deem it more than canon could be made.

 

[Dooyo]

Yeah, as noted here, mere author involvement or approval does not suffice to determine canonicity for adaptations, and claiming that it's some alternate timeline in the multiverse doesn't really work as more direct canonicity statements (namely over merely alluding to other timelines, especially as they can just be their own one-sided canon counterparts just for the game) would be required for that sort of claim.

That said, this calls my attention:

The director saying "in addition to faithfully implementing the original IP, we are also exploring stories that exist outside the original narrative" implies that this is meant to be the new primary canon altogether, so from there an argument to deem it more than canon could be made.

You’re misapplying the very rule you quoted.

VSBW says author involvement alone doesn’t automatically make an adaptation canon unless there’s confirmation of integration into the original continuity. But the statement you brought doesn’t establish the opposite either. The director explicitly says the game faithfully implements the original IP and recreates iconic scenes, while also adding stories outside the original narrative. That’s simply distinguishing adapted material from game original side stories.

Nothing there says the game replaces the main timeline or that everything in it is non canon. At most, it means the extra storylines need to be evaluated case by case, which is exactly what the rule itself says. Jumping from “some stories exist outside the original narrative” to “therefore the whole game isn’t canon” is a reach that the quote doesn’t support as we know the "Hunter Origin" stories from the game for instance are canon since it's written by Chugong like Igris backstory for instance, same with elements of the cosmology.

 

[Bobsican]

The thing is that as you even admit this to be a faithful adaptation of the original, talking about an "original narrative" in this context can only be interpreted in the sense of the original canon, rather than an original plot as clearly this is regarding already the recycled stuff per its nature as an adaptation (aka, it's not original in the sense of novelty, but rather as in the source material).

I never said that this'd be decanonicing the original media, just a shift in canon levels (so that stuff just becomes a secondary canon, thinking about it more), the original media (and inversely, the game) would still have usability on a case-by-case basis as you've said. I'm also not saying that there being explicitly non-canon stuff decanonizes everything (that'd be a patent association fallacy), but rather that this being the case does not support canonicity either, as this kind of cosmological nature simply isn't proof for either side for this kind of purposes.

 

[Dooyo]

I believe the safer reading is much simpler: the game adapts canon material and also contains extra material made for the game under supervision. That neither proves full primary canon status for every added scene nor proves some elevation where the game becomes the higher continuity. It just leaves you where the rule already says you should be: case by case. In other words, the quote supports coexistence of adapted content and supplemental content, not a canon restructuring.

 

[Bobsican]

I mean, that's where the secondary canon bit brought up more recently fits, staff input would still be required either way as I'm still a regular user and thus don't have voting rights.

 

[Dooyo]

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[KingOfDarknessBelow]

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