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UEG​


UEG's current profile is a mess to say the least. It mixes up her own abilities + battlesong abilities + god abilities without actually dividing them, so it ends up with multiple powers duplicated. So, I decided to organize it.

Here is how her profile would look like. 90% of those abilities are just copied from Mitsuki and MalnaRilna profiles, since she is a god like them. So technically most of the abilities are already accepted. The only things that are actually new are the immortality type 5 justification, her "Unique Abilities" tabber, and her resistances tabber.

Yogiri​

As we know, Yogiri can kill absolutely everything in the verse, no exceptions and no limits, including concepts. It's also already accepted that he can potentially kill/destroy Celestial Foundations as well.

This is important because:

1. Celestial Foundations have the World Core, which is the condensation of information that makes up the world. This is already listed as Type 2 info in the profiles. Yogiri, with his capability of killing anything in the verse, including celestial foundations, would scale to this.
2. Information is a fundamental aspect in the verse. It defines an individual's existence, with gods being able to even revive/reconstruct someone through said information. From that scan, we know that even when UEG (a god) erased Toichirou (another god), his information still remained for UEG to revive him. However, when Yogiri killed Rilna (also a god), nothing remained, there was zero ways for her sister (who was also a god) to revive her. Mitsuki (a god as well) also couldn't revive anything that Yogiri had killed. In fact, Mitsuki couldn't even detect any trace of Rilna anymore, as if she has never existed. So, given the fact that Yogiri can kill literally everything in the verse, and the fact that even gods, who can revive people by manipulating their fundamental information, cannot do so to the people that Yogiri kills, would be yet another reason for him to scale to this.

So this is how it would be written in the profile:

Information Destruction (Type 2: Yogiri can kill anything and everything in the setting, including Celestial Foundations, which contain the World Core, the condensation of information that makes up the world and influences it; and the information that defines an individual's existence)

Gods & CFEs​

1. Since we dont use statements from The Demon King is Unbeatable novel anymore, this section needs to be removed from gods' profiles:

2. As already shown in this thread, gods have the authority to freely manipulate the world, so they should have CM2 (since the world/celestial foundation is already accepted as a conceptual [Type 2] structure). This is how it would be worded on the profile:


3. The Celestial Foundation Eater would also have CM2 by virtue of eating the Celestial Foundations, and because it can also control the universe/Celestial Foundation with just his thoughts. It would also gain resistance for CM2 for the same reason that is written on its profile.

Battle Song System / Gift​

Battlesong (also called the Gift) is a system that gives skills/resistances to people. The abilities/resistances are divided by ranks, and the difference between ranks is absolute. An ability of a higher rank can bypass the resistances/defenses of a lower rank, but it's impossible for a lower rank to do the same to a higher rank. The rank levels go up to 10.

Gods like MalnaRilna/UEG have authority over everything in the world and it's also stated that no matter how powerful a human is, it can never match a god, and its impossible for a human to resist a god's ability. This is also evidenced when MalnaRilna gave Darian an unprecedented ability to manipulate Battle Song itself. So, gods would scale above Rank 10, making it 10 layers of hax/resistances, specially Mitsuki since he developed it.

Celestial Foundation Eaters would also scale to this, given how even their avatars (which are weaker than their true form) are already comparable to gods within their home world and it's also stated that their avatars can "exercise their power like a god", which makes sense since they can freely control the Celestial Foundation itself as well, similarly to gods.

In addition, higher-order gods like UEG can bypass/resist the abilities/resistances of lesser-ranked gods such as MalnaRilna and Kouryu, which would make her (and Mitsuki) scale to 11 layers.

However, that number would not apply for CM2 and IM2, since those are not included in Battlesong (as far as I remember). It would only work between the hierarchy of gods. So:

  • Normal gods and Celestial Foundation Eater : Baseline resistance to CM2/IM2
  • Higher-order gods like UEG: 1 layer of CM2 and IM2
  • Mitsuki: 2 layers of CM2/IM2
  • Unnamed God: 3 layers of CM2/IM2 -> This is a god whose godly rank has "gone up quite a bit" and also stated to have "leveled up so much" (in regards to his rank). I dont think "quite a bit" and "so much" could be used for anything other than at least "3".
  • Ultimate God (the highest ranked god): 4 layers of CM2/IM2
  • Yogiri: 5 layers of Death/CM2/IM2
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Agree: @Reiner04 @Dereck03, @Vietthai96

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Yeah, this all seems pretty obvious to me, especially the layers and information manipulation.
 
After discussing a bit with Cipher, we concluded that Yogiri's hax would be 5 layers instead since Battlesong does not provide resistance to CM2/IM2 (afaik) for him to scale from, so he would only scale to the gods' hierarchy of hax. Gods would still have 10/11 layers for their other stuff.
 
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12 layers my boy is so back....
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After discussing a bit with Cipher, we concluded that Yogiri's hax would be 4 layers instead since Battlesong does not provide resistance to CM2/IM2 (afaik) for him to scale from, so he would only scale to the gods' hierarchy of hax. Gods would still have 10/11 layers for their other stuff.
Shouldn’t gods retain their invulnerability?




Gods were fundamentally indestructible. Even if you killed or erased
them, in time they would reappear. So in battles between gods, it was
common for the winner to either enslave the loser or take measures to seal
them away.
 
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Shouldn’t gods retain their invulnerability?




Gods were fundamentally indestructible. Even if you killed or erased
them, in time they would reappear. So in battles between gods, it was
common for the winner to either enslave the loser or take measures to seal
them away.

Being stated to be "invincible" and "indestructible" is not enough for invulnerability.
 
Shouldn’t gods retain their passive causality manipulation and invulnerability?
Nope the scans don't justify that or at least the ones you showed
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"Maybe because I'm invincible? No attacks work on me." Osamu and Masahiro's faces twisted in fear at her response. "Yeah, that's it. That's what I wanted to see. That look of despair when someone who's so sure of their own power encounters a person stronger than they are." She nodded, satisfied. "Now then, I guess it's my turn. rn. Saint Punch!"
This looks like her invincibility is due to her being stronger than the other character, i.e durability vs AP gap not invul
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"H-How...?" With the power of the gods behind her, she shouldn't even have been able to feel pain, let alone take serious damage.
Pain Manipulation sure and serious damage implies that she can take damage but I can see where you are coming from albeit this wouldn't be sufficient for Invul imo.
Gods were fundamentally indestructible. Even if you killed or erased
them, in time they would reappear.
So in battles between gods, it was
common for the winner to either enslave the loser or take measures to seal
them away.
Yes I remember this scan but again not invul this is just talking about them being indestructible because of their Resurrection

Also I don't see a lick of Causality Manipulation here so yea...
If you have more stuff feel free to send.
 
Nope the scans don't justify that or at least the ones you showed
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This looks like her invincibility is due to her being stronger than the other character, i.e durability vs AP gap not invul
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Pain Manipulation sure and serious damage implies that she can take damage but I can see where you are coming from albeit this wouldn't be sufficient for Invul imo.

Yes I remember this scan but again not invul this is just talking about them being indestructible because of their Resurrection

Also I don't see a lick of Causality Manipulation here so yea...
If you have more stuff feel free to send.
I kinda figured it wouldn’t be enough, but hey at least I tried.
 
If Gods like UEG can instantly regen after being erased then doesn't that mean she can regen from stuff like this
 
I agree with you, but you should add multiple layers to death manipulation in Yogiri’s profile (infinite layers).
 
However, that number would not apply for CM2 and IM2, since those are not included in Battlesong (as far as I remember). It would only work between the hierarchy of gods. So:
No, it actually falls within the system; conceptual manipulation is possible for anyone inside the sea in the first place.
Look here ↓


All of these things are possible for anyone inside the sea, and it also mentions total erasure, which proves that gods can die spiritually, mentally, and physically. Even erasure has layers, and all of these, including causality erasure, were possible for anyone inside the sea.
 
No, it actually falls within the system; conceptual manipulation is possible for anyone inside the sea in the first place.
Look here ↓



All of these things are possible for anyone inside the sea, and it also mentions total erasure, which proves that gods can die spiritually, mentally, and physically. Even erasure has layers, and all of these, including causality erasure, were possible for anyone inside the sea.
Battlesong =/= Sea.

And there is no proof those conceptual attacks are Type 2.
 
Battlesong =/= Sea.

And there is no proof those conceptual attacks are Type 2.
If you’re going to close this thread and the other one about immortality and apply the revisions, I want you to vote on this thread as well before doing so, since it concerns Yogiri and the changes that should have been applied after the cosmology upgrade ↓

 
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