Some Upgrade For Kiana Kaslana

[BronyaIsTheBest]

- Some little upgrade for Kiana Kaslana ​

I. Beyond Dimensional Existence(Type 2)​

- Kiana/Coccon Of Finality is Imaginary Singularity

Tesla: The Cocoon of Finality is the only Imaginary singularity and the only Herrscher Core. Its projections between different dimensions caused different Herrscher authorities to appear in reality.

- Imaginary Singularity is "dimensionless"

-Kiana/Coccon of Finality transcends all dimensions

Schrodinger: So, to replicate Durandal’s feat, the Herrscher authority we need should either transcend all dimensions or stand fully independent of the proper world. In other words, the only one that can do it is perhaps…

Schrodinger: Kiana herself who is equal to the Cocoon, or…

Schrodinger: A Herrscher born in the Sea of Quanta.

=> Beyond Dimensional Existence(Type 2) for Kiana Kaslana / Cocoon Of Finality because she transcends all dimension and lacking dimensional features
II. Abstract Existence(Type 1 - Law and Possibly Concept(Type 1) )
- Cocoon of Finality/Kiana exists as "Rule/Princples" that govern the world

"Sa: 我要在「深渊」察觉之前触碰到「树」,最终取代「深渊之茧」,成为新的规则。 成功的希望。
说实话,我看不到任何 "- Chapter 42 Honkai Impact 3rd

Misteln: In the real world you live in, the Cocoon of Finality is the rule that dominates the Honkai.

- Something more(Idk)

Gyazo

gyazo.com

=>Abstract Existence Type 1(Law and possibly Concept (type 1)(because she is the rule that govern the world and exist independtly from reality(beyond dimensional existence type 2) ) For Cocoon Of Finality/Kiana Kaslana

Agree: 1 - @GarrixianXD (staff)

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[Woomica]

Interesting

 

[GarrixianXD]

Schrodinger: So, to replicate Durandal’s feat, the Herrscher authority we need should either transcend all dimensions or stand fully independent of the proper world. In other words, the only one that can do it is perhaps…

Schrodinger: Kiana herself who is equal to the Cocoon, or…

Schrodinger: Kiana herself who is equal to the Cocoon, or…

: A Herrscher born in the Sea of Quanta.

Can you provide the source for this?

 

[CallMeWiertz]

Can you provide the source for this?

 

[GarrixianXD]

Awesome, put it on OP.

 

[CallMeWiertz]

one more vote is enough hehe :33

 

[Woomica]

You need vote from thread mod/admins not content mod iirc

 

[Mr. Bambu]

yeah

I'm once again conscripted for weeb shit, commenting to say that I'll try to get to this. I'm like Amelia Earhart, everyone wants a piece of me.

 

[CallMeWiertz]

yeah

I'm once again conscripted for weeb shit, commenting to say that I'll try to get to this. I'm like Amelia Earhart, everyone wants a piece of me.

Sorry if that makes you feel uncomfortable (

 

[Mr. Bambu]

no, just spread thin with everybody wanting to upgrade their favorite verse. 's no fault of yours.

 

[GarrixianXD]

Bambu just hates anime in general lol

Also, you’ll need 2 staffs, I don’t have evaluation rights. @CallMeWiertz

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Bambu just hates anime in general lol

Also, you’ll need 2 staffs, I don’t have evaluation rights. @CallMeWiertz

I hate slop. There's at least telltale evidence to suggest that, in spite of appearances, not all anime is slop. Death Note was good.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

- Some little upgrade for Kiana Kaslana ​

I. Beyond Dimensional Existence(Type 2)​

- Kiana/Coccon Of Finality is Imaginary Singularity



- Imaginary Singularity is "dimensionless"

-Kiana/Coccon of Finality transcends all dimensions



=> Beyond Dimensional Existence(Type 2) for Kiana Kaslana / Cocoon Of Finality because she transcends all dimension and lacking dimensional features
II. Abstract Existence(Type 1 - Law and Possibly Concept(Type 1) )
- Cocoon of Finality/Kiana exists as "Rule/Princples" that govern the world





- Something more(Idk)

Gyazo

gyazo.com

=>Abstract Existence Type 1(Law and possibly Concept (type 1)(because she is the rule that govern the world and exist independtly from reality(beyond dimensional existence type 2) ) For Cocoon Of Finality/Kiana Kaslana

Agree: 1 - @GarrixianXD (staff)

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Is the Imaginary Singularity just... imaginary? Not enough context to say much here, although the second bit of evidence makes me lean in favor of okaying this (I prefer scans to quotes, given you have scans for other things, but it's fine).

I think the Abstract Existence stuff is super vague, and don't accept it for now.

 

[Shiroiyo]

Is the Imaginary Singularity just... imaginary? Not enough context to say much here, although the second bit of evidence makes me lean in favor of okaying this (I prefer scans to quotes, given you have scans for other things, but it's fine).

I want to explain the Imaginary Singularity thing, even if it seems you agree with the proposal (aside from Abstract Existence)

The Cocoon is the Imaginary Singularity, which is dimensionless. Cocoon also transcends all dimensions, as a minor support is also able to withstand spacetime shifts.

 

[Woomica]

Real

 

[GarrixianXD]

@DarkDragonMedeus @Qawsedf234 @Elizhaa @Planck69 @LordTracer I was asked to tag some staff.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks alright.

 

[Elizhaa]

I disagree with beyond-dimensional existence type 2; it is supposed to be 1-A or higher in the tiering system and the evidence does not seem to meet the qualifications. There is this sandbox, which will likely be the update page, that could show why the justifications are not enough. The page is just outdated.


Abstract existence type 1 appears acceptable; there is additional evidence supporting Kiana's last attack potency justification, which could strengthen the argument:

• At least Multi-Solar System level with the Cocoon of Finality (Upon obtaining the full Authority of Finality, absorbing the remnants of Project Stigma and becoming one with the Cocoon of Finality, Kiana would have access to every possible Herrscher Authority, including the Imaginary Authority used by False God Otto, as all Herrschers are but shadows of Finality. Upon mastering full control over the Cocoon, which is the sole Imaginary Singularity and one true Herrscher Core, Kiana would be able to manipulate all Honkai-related phenomena in the world)

 

[GarrixianXD]

I disagree with beyond-dimensional existence type 2; it is supposed to be 1-A or higher in the tiering system and the evidence does not seem to meet the qualifications. There is this sandbox, which will likely be the update page, that could show why the justifications are not enough. The page is just outdated.


Abstract existence type 1 appears acceptable; there is additional evidence supporting Kiana's last attack potency justification, which could strengthen the argument:

• At least Multi-Solar System level with the Cocoon of Finality (Upon obtaining the full Authority of Finality, absorbing the remnants of Project Stigma and becoming one with the Cocoon of Finality, Kiana would have access to every possible Herrscher Authority, including the Imaginary Authority used by False God Otto, as all Herrschers are but shadows of Finality. Upon mastering full control over the Cocoon, which is the sole Imaginary Singularity and one true Herrscher Core, Kiana would be able to manipulate all Honkai-related phenomena in the world)

Is Ultima's system even applied as of now?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I wasn't aware his changes interfaced with that, fair enough. I rescind my agreement.

Is Ultima's system even applied as of now?

Even if its not, seems silly to accept it now and just change it back later via technicality.

 

[Woomica]

I wasn't aware his changes interfaced with that, fair enough. I rescind my agreement.


Even if its not, seems silly to accept it now and just change it back later via technicality.

by looking at it this looks more like HDE and possible bde type 1

 

[CallMeWiertz]

Tôi không đồng ý với sự tồn tại ngoài chiều loại 2; nó được cho là 1-A hoặc cao hơn trong hệ thống phân cấp và bằng chứng dường như không đáp ứng được tiêu chuẩn. Có hộp cát này , có thể sẽ là trang cập nhật, có thể cho thấy lý do tại sao các lý do biện minh là không đủ. Trang này đã lỗi thời.


Tồn tại trừu tượng loại 1 có vẻ chấp nhận được; có thêm bằng chứng ủng hộ lời biện minh về khả năng tấn công cuối cùng của Kiana, điều này có thể củng cố lập luận:

• Ít nhất là ở cấp độ Hệ thống nhiều mặt trời với Kén cuối cùng (Sau khi có được toàn bộ Quyền lực cuối cùng, hấp thụ tàn dư của Dự án Thánh tích và trở thành một với Kén cuối cùng , Kiana sẽ có quyền truy cập vào mọi Quyền lực Herrscher có thể, bao gồm cả Quyền lực tưởng tượng được sử dụng bởi Thần giả Otto, vì tất cả các Herrscher đều chỉ là bóng tối của Sự cuối cùng . Sau khi nắm vững toàn quyền kiểm soát Kén, là Điểm kỳ dị tưởng tượng duy nhất và là một Lõi Herrscher thực sự , Kiana sẽ có thể thao túng tất cả các hiện tượng liên quan đến Honkai trên thế giới)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Beyond-Dimensional_Existence
So, it is oudated? and any another feat for her because of dimensionless and transcending all dimensions?

 

[Woomica]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Beyond-Dimensional_Existence
So, it is oudated?

Sadly yeah but given that she still transcends all dimensions with the fact that cocoon resides somewhere in the imaginary space and the fact that its also a imaginary singularity you could potentionally argue HDE possible BDE type 1
(Im at the college now so the scans for this is up to you to find so it doesnt look like i use headcannon expansion)

 

[CallMeWiertz]

I wasn't aware his changes interfaced with that, fair enough. I rescind my agreement.


Even if its not, seems silly to accept it now and just change it back later via technicality.

Sooo, what ur opinion about his CRT ? Neutral with it ?
- about AE type 1, u can check it from Elizhaa's reply

• At least Multi-Solar System level with the Cocoon of Finality (Upon obtaining the full Authority of Finality, absorbing the remnants of Project Stigma and becoming one with the Cocoon of Finality, Kiana would have access to every possible Herrscher Authority, including the Imaginary Authority used by False God Otto, as all Herrschers are but shadows of Finality. Upon mastering full control over the Cocoon, which is the sole Imaginary Singularity and one true Herrscher Core, Kiana would be able to manipulate all Honkai-related phenomena in the world)

 

[DestrudoD4Ray]

I remember where there's a scan where is says that the number of dimensions between humanity and the cocoon is too high, implying that it has HDE

 

[Woomica]

I remember where there's a scan where is says that the number of dimensions between humanity and the cocoon is too high, implying that it has HDE

Which chapter was it?

 

[DestrudoD4Ray]

Which chapter was it?

I forgot, but it's still around the moon chapter perhaps (?)

 

[Woomica]

I forgot, but it's still around the moon chapter perhaps (?)

More than enough info ty il I'lll find them

 

[SchroKatze]

I disagree with your username, Mei is the best.

About the thread: Neutral, but inclined to agree. Gonna wait a bit more

 

[Qawsedf234]

I was asked to tag some staff.

I can vaguely get BDE Type 2 but I don't know where Abstract Resistance is coming from.

 

[CallMeWiertz]

Tôi mơ hồ có thể nhận được BDE Loại 2 nhưng tôi không biết Mức kháng cự trừu tượng đến từ đâu.

She exists as "rule" govern the world

 

[CallMeWiertz]

I can vaguely get BDE Type 2 but I don't know where Abstract Resistance is coming from.

Some minor support for her AE

• At least Multi-Solar System level with the Cocoon of Finality (Upon obtaining the full Authority of Finality, absorbing the remnants of Project Stigma and becoming one with the Cocoon of Finality, Kiana would have access to every possible Herrscher Authority, including the Imaginary Authority used by False God Otto, as all Herrschers are but shadows of Finality. Upon mastering full control over the Cocoon, which is the sole Imaginary Singularity and one true Herrscher Core, Kiana would be able to manipulate all Honkai-related phenomena in the world)
• It is also Time itselt:
  Kevin:Cycling the planet, erasing civilisations, resetting everything to the start…
  Kevin: Finality is time.

 

[DestrudoD4Ray]

Some minor support for her AE

• At least Multi-Solar System level with the Cocoon of Finality (Upon obtaining the full Authority of Finality, absorbing the remnants of Project Stigma and becoming one with the Cocoon of Finality, Kiana would have access to every possible Herrscher Authority, including the Imaginary Authority used by False God Otto, as all Herrschers are but shadows of Finality. Upon mastering full control over the Cocoon, which is the sole Imaginary Singularity and one true Herrscher Core, Kiana would be able to manipulate all Honkai-related phenomena in the world)

How about the "cocoon is the manifestation of time itself" thing? Is it applicable for the AE?

 

[CallMeWiertz]

How about the "cocoon is the manifestation of time itself" thing? Is it applicable for the AE?

Ah yes for sure