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I’m pretty sure every db scaler here agrees with him being that high
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Son Goku (DBS) VS Silver the Hedgehog (Archie)
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thanks for sharing common knowledge.
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It's common knowledge that you're a broken record? Damn, glad to see most people are on the same page nowadays
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Ui Goku's scaling is basically 2 dudes can perform a 2-C feat together and he massively upscales above them individually. So he's borderline 2-C. It's accurate to describe him as the strongest low 2-C AP wise.
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super silver vs all of dbs equal speed? nah i disagree.
Silver can be stronger than goku, thats fine, goku still has a significant advantage in every other category.
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Not only just that, he has conceptual erasure and temporal erasure with basic blasts of energy, don’t compare fodder ass dbs to archie gods
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This is still technically wrong, silver also has the ls advantage
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Yeah he has a massive AP advantage, but the hax of the entire dragon ball verse would be far too overwhleming for Super Silver to take on all at once at =speed.
Anyways I won't get into it too much since thats not the topic currently.
lifting strength? what would silver do with that in character against goku?
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Restraining with telekinesis?
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Are we still taking the half 2-c argument here?
like isn't that an outdated assumption that has been denied already?
anyway not voting yet. i can see kiai working but I wanna know about Sonic's Half 2-C
like isn't that an outdated assumption that has been denied already?
when was this last updated?
anyway not voting yet. i can see kiai working but I wanna know about Sonic's Half 2-C
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I mean yea it was but goku still down scales from 2-c which is basically the same thing
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goku has res to paralysis inducement
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paralysis thats capable of restraining beings who are low 1-c?
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Bleh
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Super Scourge quite effortlessly breaks out of it, so I dunno about scaling his paralysis to him.
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Scourge comments that Silver actually managed to restrain him for a moment, THEN breaks out of it. Scourge even seemed impressed. So even if Silver tremendously downscales from a Super's LS, that's still infinitely above what Goku can handle.
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silver restrains super scourge twice iirc
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Didn't Silver also briefly restrained a version of Enerjak? I seem to remember something like that.
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this envolved from Silver vs Goku to Super Silver vs DBS lol, anyways, I think Goku have more chances to win here, MUI does not hold back in character, he will use his best to try to defeat the enemy, and a single hit would be enough to kill Silver, Goku can use IT or afterimages to counter Telekinesis, as his Instinctives Reactions should aware him of the potential danger of TK, I think I will stay in Goku side for a while
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I don't think paralysis inducement capable of restraining people who scale high necessarily mean its a higher level of paralysis inducement, i think its one of those abilities that ignore how high one scales.
Also by the way is that something he is capable of doing in base?
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Super Forms have Immeasurable Lifting Strength so if Silver can restrain them he should be able to restrain characters with crappy LS like Goku.
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Which ones do u think that could put down Silver?
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it ignores it because if you paralyze a higher dimensional existence you're basically paralyzing a higher spatial structure than 3D. Since you don't have the 4D existence to resist its 4D space even if you resist it at 3D you still get affected because you cannot block it from that angle which is in 4D space
also if he can do Psychokinesis/Telekinesis at base at that level shouldn't it be noted in his lifting strength for that ability?
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Like I said before, I think paralysis inducement is one of those abilities that ignores things such as strength, dura, etc.
Yeah so if you're arguing that its going to paralyze goku on a 4d scale, it wouldn't really be work in my opinion considering goku's existence doesn't have that 4th spatial/temporal axis. So goku's resistance to it is fine. I also don't think having an ability that works on higher dimensional entities necessarily implies is a more potent ability than baseline, all that really implies is that it can affect things that exist on a 4th dimensional level.
And like I said before, I think paralysis inducement ignores any type of physical stat.
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Really dumb question, can Silver kill Goku by crushing him? Less dumb question, can he do so to his innards (and will he do so)?
Silver just restraining Goku probably isn’t a wincon since he’s actively doing so and stamina-wise he wouldn’t be able to do so for 24 hours anyways.
Silver just restraining Goku probably isn’t a wincon since he’s actively doing so and stamina-wise he wouldn’t be able to do so for 24 hours anyways.
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No, I heard many times it requires AP to crush someone with LS. Goku's AP is way above silver, it won't work.
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Goku don't have 4D spatial structure
the universe is 3D spatial structure + temporal which is different from 4D spatial structure
by having resistance in 3D you resist an infinitisimal splice of the entire 4D ability. you can keep resisting it since it is baseline but due to the size of it you don't or can't resist it completely because your resistance cannot encompass its higher dimensional nature
the universe is 3D spatial structure + temporal which is different from 4D spatial structure
they don't necessarily but the fact that they affect it is what makes them stronger in a unconventional sense.
by having resistance in 3D you resist an infinitisimal splice of the entire 4D ability. you can keep resisting it since it is baseline but due to the size of it you don't or can't resist it completely because your resistance cannot encompass its higher dimensional nature
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Aight,
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is it decided on a thread or was just spoken words. I'm actually curious about this so I can get updated on how TK works now
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Inverse square law in 4 dimensions, again, for all we know that emerald is miles away from their clash, right? Mogul’s fine though.
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Yes it was on a thread. It was a q/a asking this exact question.
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Righty, I know I'm new here and all, And pretty much don't know any of you guys yet (I know fluffy CreatureZ actually from the dragonball wiki, and we have very different views on certain characters), but I have one question to ask first before I settle on an opinion here, Are we using the Manga Version or Anime (Sorry if this should be obvious, or is already established elsewhere in the thread). since they have different scales and such...
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Yeah I know, thats what I said.
Yeah and what i'm trying to say is that all he needs is his 3d resistance because he's a 3d being. All he needs to do is resist that infinitesimal splice of that ability because the only part that matters is the infinitesimal splice that will be affecting goku. Thats why I'm saying that it being a higher dimensional ability won't really help.
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and since there are infinite amount of those splice the moment you resist a splice a new one takes over
just like how 1 frame exist as soon as the last frame passed in a video. hence it will still affect him because his resistance will be on an infinite loop of getting affected and resisting happening infinite amount of times within 1 seconds which would also say he gets affected infinite times and he resisted it infinite times in that timeframe
so in a sense he is still paralyzed
I'm not really good at explaining things like this but I hope you get the point I'm trying to say here
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It's the anime version, you can see the linked profile is dbs anime.
And yes Goku is boundless, the wiki just isn't ready for that crt yet.
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The Chaos Emeralds aren't going to be literal miles away from Sonic and Knuckles when they're tapping into them lol. They don't grant energy from that far away except for the Master Emerald, and even with the Master Emerald it's just a few hundred feet iirc
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