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LS doesn't follow that criteria, it's fine.
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Sonic vs Goku (strongest 5th 5-D character. Not smurf)
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yeah, in this case, i am asking about how it activated it in the fight Goku had using it
i don't want to sound like the basic Goku downplayer......but since Goku wants a good IC, wouldn't the subjective reality work to make the fight into a fair one instead of an insta win for Goku?
besides the fact that it can't affect Chaos Energy due to its Conceptual + ND nature......so, i dunno
i might vote inconclussive here ngl
Killerdrone123
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Goku literal mindset here is that he would win which would triggered subjective reality to form the conclusion in a way that sonic wouldn't have a chance to use his wincons just like the trunks saving gohan example
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SBA say that the chars want to win, but are still IC, so since Goku can feel Sonic's intentions and see that he isn't a bad guy, the question isn't "would he think that he wants to win" but "how does he want to win" which if it is in a fight, then it would be a problem since his SR can't affect Sonic's Chaos Energy
that would depend if Goku wants to win this way, if Goku wants a fight to win, they the power would make a fight happens instead of an insta win
Killerdrone123
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Yes and SR would shape the fight in a way that goku would win since it is passive
Also goku in character still wants to win weither it be a long fight or short
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What about Causality Manipulation preventing Goku doing anything
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I don't think that would help given this Goku is literally controlling causality in a multi+ (5D) scale.
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it wouldn't work for affection Chaos Energy tho, due to it being Conceptual + ND in nature
so if Sonic blasts Goku with Chaos Energy....there isn't much he can do to stop it
yeah? but he wouldn't want a fight that his opponent never hits him even once, where no blow by blow combat is made
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Goku doesn't have causality manip tho? wasn't that one of the downgrades that happened?
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Mind hax could change the game and i believe Sonic has a pretty busted one but not exactly sure.
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he does, https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Chaos_Emeralds_(Game)#The_Users
same as the the concept hax but for the mind, in this case destroying it
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I think CM based mind hax would screw Goku over here so another plus on his side
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i cant tell u abt the votes but you need to restrict sonics 6D range for the 5D list
unless you want to keep the 6D range
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I wanna lean into inconclusive for now
ShakeResounding
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You need to change this to Starfall Super Sonic (the one with the blue eyes, Cyber Corruption), as I plan to remove Hyper Sonic from the Modern profile and the key swap this late wouldn't make a difference afaik.
Also also, as Robo said, you gotta restrict the 5-D range (which everyone has assumed while arguing anyways but it's good to officially mention it as restricted).
Oh, also, I vote Inconclusive FRA.
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Im voting Sonic cause causality manipulation
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Inconclusive FRA. Causality hax and Subjective Reality just counter each other.
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Yeah I'm going to vote for Inconclusive on this one too, chief, both have wincons that counter or cancel one or the other so it's just an endless battle of attrition.
It's funny that UT Goku still stalemates Sonic even with the downgrade in hax...the guy's built way too differently to be compared
Killerdrone123
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I vote incon
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What about Sonic's energy being ND
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Goku solos just admit it
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Last time you got slapped. Don't make me call Greenshifter here again
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Its not about Sonic having ND immunity, its his energy and how it would interact with SR, since on SR page it has the ND limitationLast time you got slapped. Don't make me call Greenshifter here again
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Sonic is physical and SR ignores spatial distance,so no funny protection. Try again.
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vote incon FRA
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But you said the SR is from the TE, and Sonic could just revert it
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- Thread starter
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1. Meme that comes from the delusions of a brazillian (not joking)
2. It was oficially drawn by Akira Toriyama, and I thought it would be fitting
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You truely live upto your username
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He took that Zaza in advance and killed Sonic's friends before fighting that hedgehog himself which made Sonic really angry and it made him transform into Pikachu form.
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Incon FRA
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welp is goku vs kratos gonna happen after this
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