Sonic vs Yhwach

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Yhwach

Yhwach (ユーハバッハ{{{2}}}, Yuhabahha?) is the Father of the Quincy, the monarch of the Wandenreich, and the son of the Soul King, known by the designation "A" - The Almighty. As a baby, Yhwach was incapable of sight, speech, or even the slightest movement, but never feared or despaired, as he knew...

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Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie Pre-Genesis Wave)

Sonic the Hedgehog, born Maurice Hedgehog, is the eponymous protagonist in the Sonic the Hedgehog comic series and its spin-offs published by Archie Comics, of the same name. He is a mobian hedgehog gifted with incredible speed and the power to harness Chaos Energy. Known for an overconfident...

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base sonic vs with the almighty yhwach

round 1 speed equalized
round 2 speed unequalized

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Fate hax gg xd

 

[Everything12]

Sonic stomps still.

 

[Sonicflare9]

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[Purgy]

What are Sonic's wincons?

 

[YungManzi]

High tier passive fate manipulation that works on type 4 acasuals iirc.

 

[Purgy]

But how does he win though? All that fate hax would do is lead to an incon if Sonic can't actually put Yhwach down.

 

[YungManzi]

Nah. Fate just beats or incaps him somehow; because that's how passive fate on Sonic's level works. Randomly getting a wincon when you have none under standard circumstances. Making impossible events possible is like the whole schtick.

Hell, even Yhwach can do random impossible shit with his fate hax.

Edit:

What can fate do exactly? Make it so Yhwach suddenly loses all of his powers and now he's literally defenseless and he's the one without a win condition. It's that simple.

Or even make it so Yhwach gets randomly hit by the same circumstances that beat him in canon.

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

can Yhwach get passed Sonic's Type 8 Immortality? Pretty sure he can't. Fate Hax stomps FRA

 

[Sonicflare9]

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[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

That's not how Archie fate manipulation works, Archie Sonic's fate manipulation only means Sonic cannot die, Sonic can still get incapped or KO'd just fine

 

[TyranoDoom30]

Sonic FRA

 

[Purgy]

That's not how Archie fate manipulation works, Archie Sonic's fate manipulation only means Sonic cannot die, Sonic can still get incapped or KO'd just fine

So it's not like Gilgamesh levels of plot hax where he just always wins because of it? That's the impression I got from YungManzi's post, but if that's not true, then I stand by what I said earlier.

 

[LordGinSama]

Yhwach should honestly have Fate manipulation that bypasses Type 4 anyway but I'm in the middle of discussing that and if accepted then I don't see how Sonic can win.

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

So it's not like Gilgamesh levels of plot hax where he just always wins because of it?

It's not, that's why he lost to Joker, Bowser, and Rimuru

 

[AKUTO123]

can Yhwach get passed Sonic's Type 8 Immortality? Pretty sure he can't. Fate Hax stomps FRA

yhwach also has type 8 immortality right

 

[YungManzi]

So it's not like Gilgamesh levels of plot hax where he just always wins because of it? That's the impression I got from YungManzi's post, but if that's not true, then I stand by what I said earlier.

I'm not knowledgeable on Sonic at all, but in previous threads he's certainly won solely because of fate, so I'd assume it's offensive as well as defensive.

His profile itself also says this with the whole "As referred to by Eggman, he is patently unpredictable, the constant inconsistency, that hiccup on the quantum level that throws everything off to ensure Sonic’s victory" Which implies it can be used offensively.

And even if Yhwach's fate could also bypass type 4 acausalty, from what I've heard Archie Sonic's fate manip would still be way better (Honestly, I'm iffy on whether or not bypassing type 4 acausality would have anything to do with potency anyway; just my opinion though)

 

[AKUTO123]

Yhwach, dürüst bir şekilde, Tip 4'ü atlayan Kader manipülasyonuna sahip olmalı, ancak bunu tartışmanın ortasındayım ve kabul edilirse, Sonic'in nasıl kazanabileceğini göremi

Yhwach should honestly have Fate manipulation that bypasses Type 4 anyway but I'm in the middle of discussing that and if accepted then I don't see how Sonic can win.

yhwach how does type 4 exceed acusalty?They told me you can't even beat type 2

 

[LordGinSama]

Type 2 is better than type 4 in the fact that it makes you immune to Fate and precognition for not existing in the future, type 4's can still be affected, they just run on a different / irregular system.

 

[AKUTO123]

Type 2 is better than type 4 in the fact that it makes you immune to Fate and precognition for not existing in the future, type 4's can still be affected, they just run on a different / irregular system.

understood thanks

 

[Sonicflare9]

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[Sonicflare9]

should I give Sonic the sword of acorns and change Yhwach to use the other abilities