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Sorcerer King vs Sword Saint

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SatellaTheWoE said:
Honestly that doesn't contradict at all since in the novels Reinhard ambushed regulus while appearing to be dead while yes ainz is cautious i doubt he would double or even triple check his enemies, he certainly doesnt do that in the novels
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He however doesn't turn away from them after he's Death'd them, also Ressurection Items were pretty common in Yggdrasil so he wouldn't be surprised if Reinhard got up
 
DaReaperMan said:
He however doesn't turn away from them after he's Death'd them, also Ressurection Items were pretty common in Yggdrasil so he wouldn't be surprised if Reinhard got up
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They were common but they werent usually combat applicable. Also do we use both WN and LN keys for Ainz? And this still hinges on the belief that Ainz could kill Reinhard in the first place, remember all he needs to do is swing his sword once
 
SatellaTheWoE said:
They were common but they werent usually combat applicable. Also do we use both WN and LN keys for Ainz? And this still hinges on the belief that Ainz could kill Reinhard in the first place, remember all he needs to do is swing his sword once
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Ressurection Items are combat applicable, Shalltear revive instantly, after The Goal of All Life is Death
 
SatellaTheWoE said:
They were common but they werent usually combat applicable. Also do we use both WN and LN keys for Ainz? And this still hinges on the belief that Ainz could kill Reinhard in the first place, remember all he needs to do is swing his sword once
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Uhhhh, yes, yes they were lol and we only use LN+Ainz having multiple ways to permanently take down or incap Reinhard, IE, what was explained last thread, and both can be done reasonably quickly if Ainz decides to just death Reinhard, steal the sword(just cause he can't use it doesn't mean he won't steal it), and by that time he's incapped Reinhard with Despair aura V. And closing the distance is easy for a dude who can use thought-based teleportation, time stop, and death manipulation.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Uhhhh, yes, yes they were lol and we only use LN+Ainz having multiple ways to permanently take down or incap Reinhard, IE, what was explained last thread, and both can be done reasonably quickly if Ainz decides to just death Reinhard, steal the sword(just cause he can't use it doesn't mean he won't steal it), and by that time he's incapped Reinhard with Despair aura V. And closing the distance is easy for a dude who can use thought-based teleportation, time stop, and death manipulation.
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You forgot to factor in that he doesnt know that :
A. The sword is dangerous
B. Him constantly switching his Despair Aura V
Actually considering how his power system works usually wouldnt he rarely use death aura at all considering players at his level were unaffected by it and since Reinhard is around his level in strength he might assume so? Also i still dont see why Reinhard cannot just swing his sword once in all of that, Ainz wouldnt just keep on deathing Reinhard repeatedly
C. And finally, yea he definitely can close the distance but Reinhard will definitely swing his sword by then. Actually all i need to do to change this entire match is to make speed unequalized
 
SatellaTheWoE said:
You forgot to factor in that he doesnt know that :
A. The sword is dangerous
B. Him constantly switching his Despair Aura V
Actually considering how his power system works usually wouldnt he rarely use death aura at all considering players at his level were unaffected by it and since Reinhard is around his level in strength he might assume so? Also i still dont see why Reinhard cannot just swing his sword once in all of that, Ainz wouldnt just keep on deathing Reinhard repeatedly
C. And finally, yea he definitely can close the distance but Reinhard will definitely swing his sword by then. Actually all i need to do to change this entire match is to make speed unequalized
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A. Unless it literally attacks Ainz on it's own it isn't a real threat here

B. He wouldn't need to switch it off, and he's got plenty of mana to death him a few times(probably a couple), realize he doesn't resist either of his go-to moves, and just teleport close with Despair Aura up and decide what to do then, and then considering this is Ainz vs an opponent he knows nothing about, and his paranoia is going to be through the roof, he's not ******* around in the slightest. And the Literal first enemy Ainz ever encountered in the new world he thought could be superior to him and deathed one of them immediately anyway. And that's not even getting into him being tempted to use of timestop JUST for some fodder a dragon he knew resisted summoned. He's very spammy with both.

C. Reinhard can't swing his sword if he's dead, he can't do it in time if Ainz teleports, and he can't do it at all if he's a statue in stopped time.

Edit: like, I think your forgetting in literally every fight Ainz has been in where he didn't know beyond a shadow of a doubt he couldn't be beaten, or the enemy beyond any shadow of a doubt resisted both time stop and death manipulation, he used either or, or both. Even in some instances he knew the enemy was no threat he used death magic anyway (Hi Dragons.)
 
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DaReaperMan said:
A. Unless it literally attacks Ainz on it's own it isn't a real threat here

B. He wouldn't need to switch it off, and he's got plenty of mana to death him a few times(probably a couple), realize he doesn't resist either of his go-to moves, and just teleport close with Despair Aura up and decide what to do then, and then considering this is Ainz vs an opponent he knows nothing about, and his paranoia is going to be through the roof, he's not ******* around in the slightest. And the Literal first enemy Ainz ever encountered in the new world he thought could be superior to him and deathed one of them immediately anyway. And that's not even getting into him being tempted to use of timestop JUST for some fodder a dragon he knew resisted summoned. He's very spammy with both.

C. Reinhard can't swing his sword if he's dead, he can't do it in time if Ainz teleports, and he can't do it at all if he's a statue in stopped time.

Edit: like, I think your forgetting in literally every fight Ainz has been in where he didn't know beyond a shadow of a doubt he couldn't be beaten, or the enemy beyond any shadow of a doubt resisted both time stop and death manipulation, he used either or, or both. Even in some instances he knew the enemy was no threat he used death magic anyway (Hi Dragons.)
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Btw since his aura would stay on continously wouldnt he not realise that Reinhard is resurrecting himself? Lets say he successfully deathed him, now his aura keeps Reinhard dead for long enough for him to believe that he is gone for good, once he moves out of range isnt it possible for Reinhard to ambush him? Also since Ainzs second layer traps Reinhard and the people in OLs verse cannot use magic in time stop isnt it possible for him to just nuke Ainz when he activates the first layer of time stop which Reinhard can move in. How big of a range is for his aura since its possible for reinhard to just move out of the range and nuke him from a distance
And now for the final part. Can Ainz do all of that when speed is unequalized and Reinhard is literally thousands of times faster.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Didn't know that lol

Ainz tends to react quickly, not his first rodeo around the block, plus he wouldn't be any good at PvP if in a combat situation he dropped his jaw at a surprise and didn't act immediately
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You don’t need the divine protection of the sword Saint to pick up dragon sword Reid.


Reinhardt: “Subaru, my sword.”
Subaru: “Oh, ah, right…”
At Reinhardt’s request, Subaru quickly handed over the sword that he’d been holding all along. As Reinhardt gently tested the handle of his beloved sword, Emilia looked on from the side, wondering timidly,
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Subaru was holding it for Rein in the Regulus fight. You can see this in chapter 50 of arc 5.

Reinhardt: “Subaru, my sword.”
Subaru: “Oh, ah, right…”
At Reinhardt’s request, Subaru quickly handed over the sword that he’d been holding all along. As Reinhardt gently tested the handle of his beloved sword, Emilia looked on from the side, wondering timidly,
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It’s the same in volume 19 too. So it’s both WN and LN.
 
Antartic_Icecream said:
You don’t need the divine protection of the sword Saint to pick up dragon sword Reid.




Subaru was holding it for Rein in the Regulus fight. You can see this in chapter 50 of arc 5.



It’s the same in volume 19 too. So it’s both WN and LN.
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I think we are past that point
 
shansome said:
What they're saying is that Ainz could reasonably steal the Dragon Sword of Reid and hold it even if he can't draw/use it, though Ainz probably wouldn't know that he has to steal the sword in the first place.
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Honestly he probably would loot the **** out of Reid if not the first time he deaths Reinhard, Ainz kinda loves his magical artifacts
SatellaTheWoE said:
Btw since his aura would stay on continously wouldnt he not realise that Reinhard is resurrecting himself? Lets say he successfully deathed him, now his aura keeps Reinhard dead for long enough for him to believe that he is gone for good, once he moves out of range isnt it possible for Reinhard to ambush him? Also since Ainzs second layer traps Reinhard and the people in OLs verse cannot use magic in time stop isnt it possible for him to just nuke Ainz when he activates the first layer of time stop which Reinhard can move in. How big of a range is for his aura since its possible for reinhard to just move out of the range and nuke him from a distance
And now for the final part. Can Ainz do all of that when speed is unequalized and Reinhard is literally thousands of times faster.
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Let's get one thing straight, if you unequalize speed you are spiting and I will have the thread closed immediately, capice? Already have All-purpose requests form up.

Not onto the rest of your arguments. Reinhard has some CIS of his own to deal with, prove he unsheathes Reid and uses it immediately against an opponent he knows nothing about other than appearance. Despair Aura only has several meters of range, Ainz is gonna know Reinhard ressurects when he starts getting up the first time, he's gonna try True Death, Reinhard gets up, Ainz can do anything he wants to Reinhard when he's down and will just teleport close with Despair Aura V to decide what to do next, Reinhard can't swing Reid fast enough for Ainz to not just think twice and deactivate Time Stop and a third time to death him. Because, hello hello, Reinhard still has CIS~
 
Nah but seriously OP, what aren't you sharing that you thought a thousands of times speed difference was fair? Giving Doctor Doom ten years of prep would be more fair than that. And everyone knows how broken that guy is with prep
 
DaReaperMan said:
Honestly he probably would loot the **** out of Reid if not the first time he deaths Reinhard, Ainz kinda loves his magical artifacts

Let's get one thing straight, if you unequalize speed you are spiting and I will have the thread closed immediately, capice? Already have All-purpose requests form up.

Not onto the rest of your arguments. Reinhard has some CIS of his own to deal with, prove he unsheathes Reid and uses it immediately against an opponent he knows nothing about other than appearance. Despair Aura only has several meters of range, Ainz is gonna know Reinhard ressurects when he starts getting up the first time, he's gonna try True Death, Reinhard gets up, Ainz can do anything he wants to Reinhard when he's down and will just teleport close with Despair Aura V to decide what to do next, Reinhard can't swing Reid fast enough for Ainz to not just think twice and deactivate Time Stop and a third time to death him. Because, hello hello, Reinhard still has CIS~
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This is an SBA, CIS wont be applicable here. We have seen him go straight for the swing before in the anime

(Also if we do apply this here, i was wondering if Ainz would actually reply to Reinhard if he tries talking it out first. In a scenario where Ainz straight up ignores him and goes for the kill, fails to do so, would he not atleast try to hear him out? Although I dont think Reinhard would try talking it out though, when he needs to fight he goes straight into battle mode. We saw this in Regulus vs Reinhard and Puck vs Reinhard)
 
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