Spider preview and prediction

[Yunoo]

Well, as you all know, the Spiderman Brand New Day movie is being released in theaters this month, and I'd like to use what we've seen in the reference trailers for scaling. It's primarily a consultation to see how the power dynamics might be handled after the release of this film.

Here in this glimpse of Spiderman vs Hulk (green or gray) without control we can see that Spiderman has enough strength to knock Hulk down with his organic webs. We can also see that Hulk is unable to free himself from some of Spiderman's webs (although it may be that he decided not to do so of his own volition, or they are simply that strong).

I don't really know how scaling would work knowing they're organic webs or if these kinds of feats scale, but if they do scale, would Spidey's AP scale to at least a similar level? That is, he has to exert force with his whole body, arms, and maneuver to turn Hulk around with webs from his own body.

Later we learn that Spiderman will use Shocker's fist seen in Homecoming when fighting Hulk, and we can see that the blows are strong enough to send Hulk flying. These blows also seem to hurt him.
This should obviously scale his AP using Shocker's fist (although I don't know if it will apply to his conventional AP, but I'll try to analyze it thoroughly).

What interests me most is not just that Spidey can fight Hulk, But Spidey was previously able to withstand a direct punch from Shocker without fainting or causing him much trouble, and could get up to retrieve his web-shooters normally.

Would this scale his durability to a level similar to Hulk's if an inverse between characters were applicable?

If that were the case, I believe that in addition to physically scaling up to Hulk in Durability and AP, his feat against Cull Obsidian should also be used. In other words, this feat would no longer be an Outlier, because Spidey, with his strength, was able to stop Cull. And if Spidey is now able to do the same to Hulk with organic webbing or an attack that he himself can physically withstand, I think it would be right to use these feats now.

What do you think?

 

[ByArrow]

What we see in the trailer may differ from what we see in the film, because we’re talking about Marvel, they like to play around with their trailers. Furthermore, even if the scenes are the same, we don’t know whether the Hulk has grown weaker or not. Perhaps he hasn’t yet reached his full strength, or perhaps Bruce is managing to hold back the Hulk’s power. We don’t know.

Also, we don’t know for certain whether the equipment we saw in the trailer is Shocker’s fist. Nor do we know whether, even if it is the same equipment, it has been upgraded by Spider-Man or anyone else.

As you said, the film is due to be released this month, so just wait for it to come out.

 

[Yunoo]

What we see in the trailer may differ from what we see in the film, because we’re talking about Marvel, they like to play around with their trailers. Furthermore, even if the scenes are the same, we don’t know whether the Hulk has grown weaker or not. Perhaps he hasn’t yet reached his full strength, or perhaps Bruce is managing to hold back the Hulk’s power. We don’t know.

Also, we don’t know for certain whether the equipment we saw in the trailer is Shocker’s fist. Nor do we know whether, even if it is the same equipment, it has been upgraded by Spider-Man or anyone else.

As you said, the film is due to be released this month, so just wait for it to come out.

What I'm most curious about are the feats involving the webs. Does Tobey physically scale to his organic webs? I ask so I can use that as a reference point to scale Tom. I’m also sticking to my position on using the feats against Cull Obsidian and, perhaps, the statements regarding the Iron Spider. A tweet mentions that the Iron Spider and the Mark 50 are superior to the Hulkbuster—which scales directly to Cull Obsidian and Hulk. It also states that the Iron Spider is identical to the Mark 50, except for extras like lasers and rockets. There’s also the feat of Spidey stopping Cull; the novelization depicts him doing so without even breaking a sweat (though I’m not sure if the novel is canon, tbh).

 

[ByArrow]

What I'm most curious about are the feats involving the webs. Does Tobey physically scale to his organic webs? I ask so I can use that as a reference point to scale Tom.

This is really doesn't matter to Tom’s Spider-Man. It was decided that cross-scaling could not be applied between the three Spider-Man characters, as this cross-scaling broke the power scaling in their own series.

I’m also sticking to my position on using the feats against Cull Obsidian

As discussed previously, it was decided that Feat is an outlier, as this scaling would mean that characters such as Black Widow are in Tier 6.

and, perhaps, the statements regarding the Iron Spider. A tweet mentions that the Iron Spider and the Mark 50 are superior to the Hulkbuster—which scales directly to Cull Obsidian and Hulk. It also states that the Iron Spider is identical to the Mark 50, except for extras like lasers and rockets.

If you’re referring to the Tweet I’m thinking of, that Tweet was talking about technology, not power.

There’s also the feat of Spidey stopping Cull; the novelization depicts him doing so without even breaking a sweat (though I’m not sure if the novel is canon, tbh).

As I said, it was decided that this was an outliner. Novelisations can be used as secondary sources If they do not contradict the film.

 

[Yunoo]

This is really doesn't matter to Tom’s Spider-Man. It was decided that cross-scaling could not be applied between the three Spider-Man characters, as this cross-scaling broke the power scaling in their own series.

I see, I understand. But I wasn't really referring to doing "cross-scaling", I meant using it as a reference, but obviously Tobey wouldn't scale from this or anything. Even if it can't be used as a reference, at least I see the logic in trying to make sense of why it would physically scale, although perhaps I should wait for the book that they will surely release post-BND.

 

[Dinobot1996]

Well, there isn't enough currently known information to do much more than make assumptions.

If the gauntlet is actually a new version of Shocker's gauntlet, it'd presumably retain the force-multiplier effect of the Crossbones version:

Not sure if that means the accepted 10x multiplier we use for the gauntlet could be fully applied to Spider-Man's punches. Though it also seems like Spider-Man is supposed to be getting stronger during Brand New Day, so I doubt any potential backscaling from this could be applied to previous movies.

The movie is just weeks away, the artbook is scheduled for next month, and DK's Spider-Man book is supposed to be released in September, so hopefully between all of those we get enough information to clearly determine where scaling should end up.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

I think its better to wait for the movie as proper context may be revealed and certain scenes may change in the movie