Sportacus vs Dhelmise

[ArbitraryNumbers]

Sportacus

Dhelmise


Both of them are City Level.

Dhelmise can use all of its attacks, and Sportacus has all of his equipment.

Fight takes place on a beach.

Speed is equalized if it's a blitzworthy difference.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Dhelmise brings Sportacus' demise via more verstatility and intangability.

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

Dhelmise - 1

Sportacus - 0

 

[RadicalMrR]

Straight up can Sportacus even hit Dhelmise?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

^Probably not. At best Sportacus can spam apples and hope it dies but his physical hits won't hit a ghost type.

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

Type immunities like that seem kinda NLF-ish to me.

Dhelmise is stated to be seaweed holding onto an anchor and a steering wheel. So I doubt it's completely intangible, as the anchor and steering wheel being intangible wouldn't make any sense.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Ghost types have consistently portrayed as intangible like normal ghosts. So unless you consider intangability to be NLF, in this case it wouldn't be. Even then, they are almost equal. So it should apply either way here.

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

I just edited my comment.

It's classified as seaweed holding onto an anchor and a wheel, where the seaweed is it's actual body, so the anchor and the steering wheel being intangible won't make sense, as Dhelmise had to pick it up at some point. Unless you could say Dhelmise can make inanimate objects intangible, which is a bit of a stretch.

Note that this isn't a vote for either side.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Say that to all of the "physical" ghost types who still act intangible. Beside, it's like a ghost possessing seaweed, so it's not like hurting the seaweed will hurt it.

 

[SantyClos]

dhelmise's 13 feet. and can send a whale reeling with it's anchor

we all know the clear winner

 

[Imaginym]

For what it's worth, Pokemon in Pokemon Amie and Pokemon Refresh do demonstrate some properties and whatnot, making the hand icon react differently. To give examples, touching Ferrothorn's barbs hurts, touching Rapidash's flames will burn the hand, touching the "cone" part of Vanilluxe freezes the hand with ice, and pure Ghost-types like Misdreavus seem intangible to the hand icon (Even at the red "pearls"/gems or whatever those are, around its neck.), given the appearance it takes and the sound "contact" makes, although the Ghost-type seems to still be able to react. Appreciating the effort, maybe?

Phantum and Trevenant share Dhelmise's Grass/Ghost typing, and seem "intangible" in the black parts of their body, but regular on the wooden parts of their body.

And in Pokemon Refresh, which seems to be Generation 7's equivalent to Pokemon Amie....

https://youtu.be/fFa99PCD1O0?t=43m12s

Well, Dhelmise seems quite tangible there. Then again, if it's voluntary intangibility, maybe it's simply letting the player character make contact with it to begin with because it's not worth the effort to prevent it or something? I dunno.

Being frank, I'm unsure how valid Pokemon Amie and Pokemon Refresh are, but I feel this might be helpful in debating this.

I apologize if it isn't valid; I'm new to posting here, although I've read plenty of pages. Hope this helps!

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

I appreciate your contribution. I know there is plenty of evidence supporting the ghost type pokemon being intangible. However, most of it comes by default of Dhelmise being a ghost type. I don't recall any other instance where the pokemon is just a ghost holding onto solid objects, like in Dhelmise's case; it's just ghostly seaweed holding onto an anchor and a steering wheel, and the pokedex entries imply that Dhelmise just picked them up somehwere. So realistically, the anchor and the wheel should be fully tangible, but the seaweed should not be.

 

[Imaginym]

Well, my argument was that it seems like the games themselves suggest Dhelmise is tangible. I'm unsure about the seaweed being intangible, but given it's the ghost-type's ACTUAL body, I could definitely see it having those ghostly properties.

Nonetheless, even if we assume the seaweed is intangible, but the other parts ARE tangible, how does this impact the fight? Given Sportacus's supposed attack power shown by his "send an apple to the moon" feat, it could be problematic if he broke Dhelmise's anchor, giving that it's at the least, an important weapon to it. Although, I'm not entirely sure that might be Sportacus's first tactic.

Nonetheless, are we certain the seaweed is intangible?

Going by its info and Pokedex entries ( http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/pokemon/dhelmise/ and http://pokemondb.net/pokedex/dhelmise ) it says: "The soul of seaweed adrift in the waves became reborn as this Pokémon. It maintains itself with new infusions of seabed detritus and seaweed."

Is Dhelmise's body actually ghostly seaweed that can be intangible? Or is it possesed seaweed that it's using to "maintain itself", which is thus at least somewhat tangible? I'd accept either, really.

Again, hope this helps.

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

I can't argue for who would win as I'm the OP here, but Sportacus' calc applies to his physical strength as well, as he can swing the racket hard enough to hit the apple to the moon.

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

For reference, I'll post the results of the calcs that acted as the result of their AP.

Dhelmise's tiering comes entirely from scaling to Wailord, who in turn scales to Wishiwashi and then Gyarados.

Here is the calc that gave Gyarados its Town Level rating. It ranges from 7.41 kilotons to 23.01 kilotons.

http://www.narutoforums.com/xfa-blog-entry/calc-storage-lake-of-raaaaaaage-pokemon-games.18737/

Gyarados was also stated to be capable of destroying cities on multiple occasions, but a timeframe was not given in any of those instances as to how long it took, so I'm not sure if I can agree with the feat or not.

Here is my calc for Sportacus. It's 18.3 kilotons.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ArbitraryNumbers/Sportacus_hits_an_apple_to_the_moo

 

[Pokémon_Trainer_Jacob]

Dhelmise is a ghost, Sportacus has no way of harming Dhelmise and even if he did, Dhelmise's use of Giga Drain would make it Null and Void.

Dhelmise just straight up takes this.