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Squid Game General Discussion Thread
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Glad to see the thread made, I have seen some new things to add as of season 2 yes.
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One thing that has been discussed a bit is this. Deok-su jumping off a bridge with no injury, however he does land in water instead of just hitting the ground or solid concrete. And falls that high into water are survivable from what I can tell.
That, and after looking at the profiles, they need some heavy revisions given how outdated they are & the lack of scans for certain stats.
That, and after looking at the profiles, they need some heavy revisions given how outdated they are & the lack of scans for certain stats.
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Technically, the KE value would still be accurate; but it is true the actual pressure via splashing in water as opposed to solid ground would generate far less pressure. But from crazier heights, landing water does still become lethal territory. Worst case scenario is the "+" sign needs to go. There are definitely a lot of Street level feats throughout the series though. Especially since some of the players have backgrounds about being in the marine corps or special forces.
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It's worth acknowledging that he is considerably stronger and a better fighter than he was in season 1. He went from not being able to match a single guard to being able to overpower a group of guards single handedly. Some lifting strength upgrades are also to be taken into account; with season 1 even being at least Athletic human.
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Technically due to being Rich and what he pulled off in the season, he would have preperation?
If yall are down we can revise the verse (I can revise Gi Hun)
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Preparation is a good start for Gi-Hun; as well as improvement martial arts, stealth mastery, and marksmanship
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Gi-Hun also needs a feat section for both seasons 1 and 2, he has a lot of good intelligence and intuition feats that should be noted. Along with social influencing and general resourcefulness. Right now barely anything is on there so someone who hasn’t watched the show wouldn’t have much to go on.
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That would be good.
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Doesn't he only have a few feats in Season 1? He was mostly clueless there
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Not really iirc but I haven’t watched season 1 in a while, I’d have to rewatch it . Only a few feats is still worth adding tbh even if there really isn’t much. I’m sure there’s some interesting feats tho considering he won.
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He still has quite a few to think of; obviously using his hand to block the shank knife at the last second, licking the back of the honey comb to get the umbrella out, and choosing the idea to stick with team mates.
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Thats true, but the stuff really shines in S2
Planning the whole attack, the teeth tracker, the operation, being suspicious of 001 even though he had the perfect acting, the whole using the mask thing at the finale and more
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Yep that stuff is absolutely needed for a season 2 key, the fact that he managed to save a ton of players in red light green light should be noted too. Feat for leadership and social influencing. They did turn on him after tho I guess.
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Technically he gained all their trust.
X Voters, trusted him and wanted to escape
O Voters, trusted him and wanted him to help them win
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True I forgot about that, they did start doubting him after game 2 was different and not what he said, so that’s prob why I got mixed up. Edit: Was also not everyone as most people didn’t know he thought the next game was the cookie one.
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It's obvious that they changed up the games because of Gi-Hun. And it could be considered that everyone else figured it's the guards becoming self aware is what made the decision to change up the games. In fact, Mingle was the 3rd game because they didn't think Tug of War would kill contestants fast enough. And it was their method of glass bridge starting sooner rather than later.
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I don’t know, unless it said in the first season or somewhere in the current one that the games are usually the same (haven’t watched in a bit) I imagine they probably always switch it up for the VIPs, for entertainment purposes. Could be wrong. They definitely designed it this time around with Gi-Hun in mind though. Hence why the first game was the same but not the few after, they probably wanted to mess with him.
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The first 4 games all seemed familiar to everyone, but it was Glass Bridge and Squid Game that the VIPs all seemed confused about and Front Man had to explain what they are. And it was because of games like them that they viewed Korea as having the best games. No one outside of Korea even knew there was a children's game called Squid until they watched Squid game; and even then, most who actually watched the show are still confused about what the game actually is. Probably because when actually played as the final game; they don't actually play it traditionally. And instead turn it into a game of real life Mortal Kombat.
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Yeah falls from that height into water are 100% survivable. Most commercial diving boards can go up to 10 meters tall, so even normal average joes can survive falls from simular heights into water without injury
iirc there are some bone breaking feats though so the Squid Game cast is still 9-C
1 thing I also want to mention is that in one of the lights out fights in Season 1 we saw a guy break another guys neck, so we might also see some Class 1 LS for the verse as well
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Though I don't think his intelligence should be tabbered along with his other S2 feats.
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I think Thanos had his arm broken when In-ho twisted it. Also the main cast tanked hits from other players using a metal rod which I'm pretty sure one-shotted other players.
The Front Man also breaks a guy's neck during the Mingle game as well.
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Do any of the guards have any physical feats worth noting of? All I know is that they probably go through some sort of firearm training and some of them have occupations like being a doctor.
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I dont think they have firearm training, they seem to be random helpless teens. Which is why that soldier character from S2 nearly soloed them
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I think they do considering how accurate the snipers are in red light green light, never accidentally killing someone that wasn’t eliminated, despite some players being obscured by others.
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Yeah, they are known for being highly trained with sniper rifles; which is something that requires extensive marksmanship training in order to properly use. And just because they're young, doesn't mean they haven't had training. Kang No-Eul also has a noticeable feat where she was an immigrant from North Korea who escaped. I want to avoid talking about subjects too controversial; which this is close to reaching that. But the simple answer is that stealth mastery among other self defense skills and stamina would have to be absolutely crazy. So, I don't think there should be any doubts some individual guards; such as Kang No-Eul, have reasonable backgrounds to justify military level training.
Also, it really depends on the ranks. Circle masks more or less are just people who do blue collar stuff, but triangle masks clearly have noticeable degrees of military level training. And squares are trained leaders who were promoted from experience of being either a circle or triangle.
Also, it really depends on the ranks. Circle masks more or less are just people who do blue collar stuff, but triangle masks clearly have noticeable degrees of military level training. And squares are trained leaders who were promoted from experience of being either a circle or triangle.
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They should've played this over the Russian Roulette scenes.
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There is a bridge falling durability calc thats 9-C
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Highly trained police officers are 10-A at minimum. Jun-Ho has also basically held his entire body weight in extreme circumstances; such as hanging on to the bottom of a van the entire trip. Which is extreme levels of wrist, ankle, joint force to avoid grinding yourself along the street. And definitely Peak Human stamina.
There are plenty of cases where players broke each other's necks with their bare hands; especially Jang Deok Su. And plenty of other players have Street level durability from being able to take hits from him. Some players were also in the marine corps and even special forces; it's especially the latter that warrants 9-C and those who upscale.
Also, not everyone everyone should be 9-C, but so far, everyone with a profile has at least one thing to warrant it.
Edit: The bridge Fall has arguments against scaling due to landing in water.
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Fairs, that should probably be quoted in the AP for them all though
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Yh but like, Seong and Cho should definitely not, i dont recall them ever being able to compare to the likes of Jang (who was pretty much the strongest character of the S1 participants as ppl acknowledged), nor do they have any special training tbh. At least not during S1, i cant recall any scaling points for Seong in S2 other than hes a lot better with guns now.
I mean the body weight stuff is impressive, though it does openly seem more like a stamina feat and not AP, Nor a direct physical feat in itself but i cant say ive ever hung off the bottom of a van. Theres likely some tricks to make it manageable maybe? Though i cant remember the timeframes ngl
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Deok Su wasn't the only 9-C; his various followers have 9-C feats of their own. Also, Seong Gi-Hun literally has multiple durability feats; he survived the brutality of the loan sharks. The Recruiter is also a lot tougher than he looks given he was a former Squid Game guard; and especially in Season 2, he took out a pair of sharks, including the boss. Seong also withstood a punch from Deok Su that was intended to kill Kang Sae-Byuk, and during the mid night brawl; he withstood a steel bar whacking his back from one of Deok Su's gang. Seong Gi-Hun, Cho Sang-Woo, Kang Sae-Bruk, and especially Abdul Ali held their own against Deok Su's gang very well.
Jun-Ho also killed a guard by strangling him. And pretty sure you'd need to be supporting your entire body's GPE from your very joints. And it's especially season 2 where Seong Gi-Hun is 9-C. The training he was giving everyone was basically Marine Corps level. Additionally, he was seemingly the main MVP during the revolt and overpowered multiple guards. His combat skills being even comparable to the likes of Cho Hyun-Ju and Park Jung-bae.
Another thing worth noting is that various characters who were immigrants from North Korea cannot be understated. Because, I really do not want to go over some politically controversial topics. But surviving an escape is considerably legendary given all the guards, terrain, and the distance one would need to go. In Sae-Byuk's case, she really had to do a lot of extensive swimming.
Jun-Ho also killed a guard by strangling him. And pretty sure you'd need to be supporting your entire body's GPE from your very joints. And it's especially season 2 where Seong Gi-Hun is 9-C. The training he was giving everyone was basically Marine Corps level. Additionally, he was seemingly the main MVP during the revolt and overpowered multiple guards. His combat skills being even comparable to the likes of Cho Hyun-Ju and Park Jung-bae.
Another thing worth noting is that various characters who were immigrants from North Korea cannot be understated. Because, I really do not want to go over some politically controversial topics. But surviving an escape is considerably legendary given all the guards, terrain, and the distance one would need to go. In Sae-Byuk's case, she really had to do a lot of extensive swimming.
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We need a Thanos profile so we can mislead people in versus threads titles tbh...
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What 9-C feats do the followers have? Cause honestly dk if we can scale Deok Su's durability to his AP with the only calced feat. When you're fending off people at the Tier 10-B-9-C level, it feels less significant cause theres too short of a gap to 'oneshot' unlike the rest of the exceeding tier list. A 10-B can still technically hurt a 9-C in the sense that the 9-C will feel it, so feats of being able to hurt eachother are too shaky. Plus if we're giving 9-C to some, but not all, then it kinda goes against the fact that characters like Deok and Seong ig are outwardly shown as physically stronger.
Im not sure we can give Seong 9-C just cause he got a lot more competent with guns, and he informed some professional combat experienced hires. I dont recall him ever properly fighting someone off or getting any better sense of martial arts skill. Maybe if he fights the Frontman in S3 idk
So surviving hits when the character have only really killed accidentally (Deok didnt mean to kill the first guy, but sadly things like that can just happen once in a while) , and others who should narratively be weaker like Kang, or being able to strangle someone around the level is a bit ehhhh. People can still survive being struck by steel pipes and stuff, theres a lot of things here that dont really seem 9-C exclusive. We're operating too much on a realistic level (which 9-C can go under, but its mainly for the actual street-level feats like being able to beat up multiple grown men on your own)
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The calculations required to break people's necks and other bones is 10-A to 9-C, something all of Deok Su's goons do all the time. Also, that's the point, characters can downscale but still be within the same ballpark. "Holding there own" means more than just "They were knocked out but survived" or "They weren't OHKO'd." But they actually traded blows quite well.
Seong physically overpowered people who were trained marines in season 2 and some who were Street punks (And in this case, there were some he matched in Season 1). Seong also as mentioned above, overpowered a soldier, outwrestled him for the gun, and used it on them. So even before he needed to get a gun; he didn't have one nor did the other players. They all had to take the guns directly from the guards.
Deok Su is easily 9-C if he can just casually kill people by accident. He's killed people by accident, but in other situations, even when he was brutally attempting to kill; characters withstood brutal beat downs. Seong and Kang had their solid durability feats from Deok-Su (Though more so in Seong's). Steel Pipes even if they don't kill people, they still break bones if wielded by those who have broken bones without them. Seong withstood blows without having his bones broken.
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What marines did he overpower? The guards dont necessarily all scale ot one another, as we see most of them are just kids, or ones that can be overpowered by their own kind like the girl guard in S2. The Recruiter had clearly made his way up for a long time, and there is a ranking system among them but on human-street level tiers, the gap is a lot smaller.
They also hevaily used the element of surprise to take the guards gun as they outlined. they had to pretend to be dead and catch them off guard so it was a bit less direct. I wouldnt really count ripping a gun off someone a 9-C feat, and i mean...would you want him in 9-C for that exactly? hes losing most matchups against other street levellers
Its a bit of a toss up, people either survive or they dont tbh. On the human-street levels then its not exactly 100% proof that they are 9-C. Deok Su idm being 9-C out of pure strength but idk if his entourage who hes narratively stronger than, and killed people in the dark (including the likes of women or other 10-Bs, which idk if it would give you 9-C because you killed them in their sleep or someone running away).
Steel pipes obviously hurt but its hard to expect them to 100% break a bone over say, leaving a bruise. Like yes its very capable, but it depends on where hit (your back is a pretty durable part of your body for instance, in comparison to everything else.) I think it also called in terms of the story that someone like Seong didn't break a bone otherwise it wouldnt be so believable that he could win. Theres a clear separation between the marines/soldier characters than most of the regular people, which Seong had initially fell under, and it only showed that he was better with guns and trying to actively hire help.
